Elysium vs Zeth'kur

[Erwinst 0]

Hey guys! after reaching level 60 on my horde hunter and having BiS items on Anathema, I came to realize that I feel like lvling on the ally side, but I see no sense in lvling on Anathema again - it's always more exciting when everything hasn't be done yet. So if I were to choose - Elysium or Zeth'kur? I'm genuinely afraid the Zeth'kur pop will die after the lastest "scandals". 

Thanks in advance and have a good day :)

[Newts 6]

Zeth currently is a good pop, Elysium is a very high pop! You can get groups on Zeth and it's enjoyable, just depends on what YOU want!
Who knows what will happen with the servers currently and what is going on, it's all a lot of heresay, but it doesn't look great for any server really (as far as I am aware, the problems have all been on Anathema - PvP?)

[Nymis 12]

 

43 minutes ago, Erwinst said:

I'm genuinely afraid the Zeth'kur pop will die

Don't be because it likely won't happen and anyone who says a 2-3k minimum stable population means "dying" is either trolling or spherically stupid. 

Look at it this way:

If the population flourishes and we get an influx of new players dropping from retail or w/e, Elysium will be the first to suffer due to queues and at best we can hope for another server to be opened to manage that influx only if ZK gets filled as well. 

If ZK population will get drastically low I have no doubt in my mind they'll allow for free transfers between the realms since they were both started around the same time, both are fresh, both are PvP and so forth. 

If there's anything we've learned in the past weeks is that the mods are working with us and not against us.

[Wirago 8]

Elysium = completely overpopulated
Zeth'Kur = Not yet overpopulated

Zeth has about 6-7k population at "eropean prime time", so it is far away from dying.

[Erwinst 0]

Thanks guys!

[brunoviek 1]

Zeth kur is my new home and I LOVE it! 

You will like it!

[koseku 2]

zeth kur is best

[Grampagreen 3]

If you are rolling Alliance, please come to Elysium.  It's Horde heavy right now and we will need some balance for BG queues ;)

[suhail1200 3]

1 hour ago, Grampagreen said:

If you are rolling Alliance, please come to Elysium.  It's Horde heavy right now and we will need some balance for BG queues ;)

 

How can it be heavy horde when their are already over 40 lvl 60 alliance chars where as only around 5-10 horde level 60s?

 

[Revo 34]

elysiums for the dumb that like wasting their time in queue, waiting along with 3 others for 1 mob to spawn or 24/7 ganking  from level 25+

the smart ppl already switched to zeth kur. currently has +5k pop most of the time, which is pretty much perfect imo

Edited January 20, 2017 by Revo

[Crossbreed 3]

Let's put it this way; I started leveling one character on Elysium when it launched (now level 20), and one shortly after Zeth'kur launched (now level 18).
So both in the same level range; i.e. I've played both for a bit, but I'm not really invested in either of them more than into the other.

At the moment, I'll definitely conitnue on Zeth'kur, no plan to go back to Elysium. Questing on ZK is so much better there. It's full - really full. I'd still consider most spots overpopulated. Heck, I'm still not done with the raptor head quest in the barrens on ZK because there simply are none around, and ever since starting out I've maybe found 10 copper nodes at best, maybe less. So it's definitely more than busy. However, its still all dandy in comparison to Elysium.. on Elysium, rarely have I ever completed any collection quest in under half an hour, many took significantly longer. Often, every single spawn point for every single mob, item or node is camped by 10 players, all of whom are machinegun-clicking and spamming macros to instant tag anything that spawns. It definitely wasn't fun.

So at the moment, ZK is MUCH better imho.

In the future? Who knows. ZK population could drop by 50% and it'd still not be underpopulated; if anything, it'd be closer to how actual retail servers were what with their lower cap. If it drops even significantly more? Then I'd assume devs would merge the servers, timelines are the same anyway. 

Edited January 20, 2017 by Crossbreed

[ismeckye 7]

25 minutes ago, Zipzo said:

Honestly, although the current active population of ZK might be OK, having recently rolled an alt there I can assure you that the new player situation is quite stagnant. There is barely anyone around in the zones 1-20 as far as I've seen.

 

So while there definitely was an initial surge of people trying to escape the Elysium queue, I'm pretty certain that barely any new people after that surge are rolling there which is pretty concerning TBH. Since ZK accomplished reducing Elysium's queue to "acceptable" levels, it stands to reason why anyone would pick ZK over Elysium until the pop happens to become absurd again.

 

Things don't look good.

Well, the biggest hit that ZK takes is at 1-6pm. That is the time chinese get online and start playing. Having such a low population around these hours indicate that there arent as many chinese as on Elysium and Anathema. This alone is something that makes me stay on ZK. Besides I really dont feel to contest Blood of Heroes and other stuff you only can acquire in the open world with 10k other 60s. What were the barrens in the first few days of Elysium release will be Black Rock Mountain ganking, Blood of Heroes, Lotus and other outdoor stuff camping. It will be a shitty experience. It feels immersion breaking to run across horde and allianc every 10seconds or never losing sight of some other player. I dont want to be always around people and having 90% of the mobs dead around me. That doesnt feel like an open immresive world to me.

 

Today I nearly died in the ravine in durotar where the harpies are. On Elysium they were camped by atleast 20people, so as soon one spawned it died, therefore there was never the danger of dying. I can go to retail if I want to pushover level without any difficulty. Same with the roguefeather harpies in charred vale in stonetalon mountains or the defias pillagers in Westfall who are the #1 deadliest mob  in wow history. I never felt threatend ONCE because so many people were slaughering them over and over. Normally these mobs were FEARED among the playerbase. Now its retaildifficulty faceroll on Elyisum.

Edited January 21, 2017 by ismeckye

[Revo 34]

maybe any upcoming wow projects that generate such hype host three 4k realms instead of one big ass 12k and just link the BGs

[ropman 1]

7 hours ago, Zipzo said:

Honestly, although the current active population of ZK might be OK, having recently rolled an alt there I can assure you that the new player situation is quite stagnant. There is barely anyone around in the zones 1-20 as far as I've seen.

The current active population of ZK is already an overpopulation. The only reason some ppl might see it differently is because they are used to 10k+ nonsense which is definitelly not blizzlike. There are plenty of people in low level zones on ZK. Also please keep in mind that players on ZK are leveling much faster because they dont need to wait as much for respawns, so they dont stick in low lvl zones for so long. 

[Jupes85 5]

14 hours ago, Zipzo said:

Since ZK accomplished reducing Elysium's queue to "acceptable" levels, it stands to reason why anyone would pick ZK over Elysium until the pop happens to become absurd again.

While the queues aren't a huge issue most of the time anymore, it's that damn nagging latency that did me in on Elysium. Everything is delayed on top of your original latency, and that's so annoying to me.

People do have a tendency to go where everyone else is playing, so as long as the queue stays low, more players may choose Elysium over ZK.

[Rocca 0]

I rolled horde on Elysium 2 days ago. I'm lvl21 now and had some frustrations about quest locations being overcamped. However, it's very doable and people tend to group all around you to get the quests done. I'm finding my level experience to be hard, very hard and slow, but very rewarding because of the people all around me teaming up and do stuff together.

It's great to be on Elysium because of the number of players, makes me feel like playing 13 years ago on a blizzard vanilla server, takes me right back to my very beginning years of wow.

[Zauhet 11]

6 minutes ago, Rocca said:

It's great to be on Elysium because of the number of players, makes me feel like playing 13 years ago on a blizzard vanilla server, takes me right back to my very beginning years of wow.

You are aware that a blizzard server had its cap at top 5,000 players online at the same time. Elysium is like the 3 highest populated servers back in 2004 together in one realm. Nowhere near to nostalgic feeling although I do agree it's nice to see it being populated.

[szuszak 2]

1 hour ago, Zauhet said:

You are aware that a blizzard server had its cap at top 5,000 players online at the same time. Elysium is like the 3 highest populated servers back in 2004 together in one realm. Nowhere near to nostalgic feeling although I do agree it's nice to see it being populated.

that have been proven to be bullshit

and there are some screencaps of census showing at least 8k+ players online on vanilla servers

[ropman 1]

I just dont think the game was designed for 11k concurrent players on a single realm and I don't enjoy playing on such high pop myself.

[Jupes85 5]

Depends what people are looking for. Let's be realistic though, while a lot of players are looking for that Vanilla experience, a lot of them have been accustomed to pretty easy leveling on retail for a long time now, so I can see that having 50 people in on area waiting for a mob is less daunting than having to actually talk to people before hand to form a group, which is why a lot of people are probably afraid to leave Elysium, even though it's really not at all a true vanilla experience, at least not the leveling one. 

[Revo 34]

i think everyone would have a better gaming experience if the server cap was lower and instead more realms set up

2k and below is awfull, but so is 8k and more.

the realms are just capped to 12k because thats the maximum the server can handle, but thats not how it works - "put as many on 1 realm as the hardware can handle". if theres a server that can handle 20k in 5 years thats affordable, would you want to see this happen? i dont want to, and so i dont want a 12k pop realm.

tune it down to something reasonable

[Days20 0]

If you choose ZK, you can spend an hour trying to get to the deadmines portal and then have your gear be red by the time you get there since this staff cant seem to figure out respawn timers. But If you do manage to get in Deadmines and finish it youll be geared to kill Rag so thats good tho.

[Yuqq 2]

23 hours ago, Zipzo said:

Honestly, although the current active population of ZK might be OK, having recently rolled an alt there I can assure you that the new player situation is quite stagnant. There is barely anyone around in the zones 1-20 as far as I've seen.

 

So while there definitely was an initial surge of people trying to escape the Elysium queue, I'm pretty certain that barely any new people after that surge are rolling there which is pretty concerning TBH. Since ZK accomplished reducing Elysium's queue to "acceptable" levels, it stands to reason why anyone would pick ZK over Elysium until the pop happens to become absurd again.

 

Things don't look good.

What the fuck are you talking about? the 1-20 zones are very active, ill never understand why people like you think a server is dead unless its 10K+ pop lol.

[ismeckye 7]

9 hours ago, Days20 said:

If you choose ZK, you can spend an hour trying to get to the deadmines portal and then have your gear be red by the time you get there since this staff cant seem to figure out respawn timers. But If you do manage to get in Deadmines and finish it youll be geared to kill Rag so thats good tho.

Or you could do it like people with sense and fight yourself in like its a dungeon already. People tend to rush too much in front of dungeons and start dying. Dont be one of them. Fight your way through properly

[Fladrif 14]

On 21/1/2017 at 3:18 AM, Zipzo said:

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So while there definitely was an initial surge of people trying to escape the Elysium queue, I'm pretty certain that barely any new people after that surge are rolling there which is pretty concerning TBH. Since ZK accomplished reducing Elysium's queue to "acceptable" levels, it stands to reason why anyone would pick ZK over Elysium until the pop happens to become absurd again.

 

Things don't look good.

When I want to make sure that the server is populated enough, I just type /who Teldrassil  (or any starting zone) and see for myself without giving credit to anyone.

Try different combinations es. /who  5-8 or /who 17-30 and you'll see that the only way to read less than the 50 ppl displayed is to look for 50+.

I wonder what do you mean by "barely any new player"... did you login in some sort of Outland?