GM just banned my friend? WTF mode.

[Antipatra 0]

This has been resolved. Reply at your own risk.

Tells me he spent a bunch of time farming for 29 Arathi. He does really well in one bg, gets teleported to the "GM room" where the GM says he was in that BG and then bans my friend.

Tell me this is a joke and not at all true. Did he really just get banned because someone was butthurt that they lost?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Antipatra

[Ristra 1]

Your "friend" is hiding something.

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Ristra said:

Your "friend" is hiding something.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. He told me this is exactly what happened just now in Steam chat.

[Antipatra 0]

Just now, Jorn Skyseer said:

Oh, I understood, right, "your friend"! I bet I know his name - John Doe, right?

Advise your friend to read this and that.

Uh, yeah, I have friends. Do you?

[Antipatra 0]

He is saying he can't log in to the forum to use that link.

[Cogfather 25]

If your friend has not already, feel free to have him submit an appeal here :

https://forum.elysium-project.org/forum/351-ban-appeals/

I believe it goes without saying, individuals are not simply banned without reason. Although I cannot say for certain the exact situation your friend may have found himself in, I can assure you there was reasoning behind it.

[Antipatra 0]

10 minutes ago, Cogfather said:

If your friend has not already, feel free to have him submit an appeal here :

https://forum.elysium-project.org/forum/351-ban-appeals/

I think it goes without saying,individuals are not simply banned without reason. Although I cannot say for certain the exact situation your friend may have found himself in, I can assure you there was reasoning behind it.

Yes, the other guy linked that, but he said he was unable to even login in the forum to post there. Not sure what the problem is, unless he was banned from both the forum and the game at the same time... He never posts on the forum, so I don't see why he would be banned from that too unless the two are linked.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Antipatra

[Cogfather 25]

The forum and in-game/control panel accounts are separate, so make sure he has a forum account set up. 

Apologies for the inconvenience, and best of luck with the appeal!

[Revo 34]

7 hours ago, Antipatra said:

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. He told me this is exactly what happened just now in Steam chat.

ppl tell a lot. 99% of this turns out to be false

[Antipatra 0]

18 hours ago, Revo said:

ppl tell a lot. 99% of this turns out to be false

You know, you sound like someone who has zero trust in anyone. He is my friend. I have known him for 13 years. I asked him straight up to tell me if he was just covering his ass, maybe he didn't want to look like a piece of shit for cheating, and that I wouldn't think any less of him if he was actually doing what the GM said he was doing. He still told me he wasn't cheating, and I'm inclined to believe my friend. That's what friends do.

I just received a response to this on the private forum. I know who the GM was that banned him. We are discussing this now, but he has not given me any evidence of wrongdoing, has said nothing about what cheat it was exactly that my friend was using, and has appeared to lie about the conversation that was had on GM Island. He said my friend admitted to it - my friend is saying that didn't happen. Who admits to cheating anyway? There are likely hundreds of posts on this forum of people coming here covering their ass and saying they weren't doing what they were doing. Why exactly would someone just come out and say that, for example; "Yes, I am a gold seller, please unban me?". That is ridiculous.

Right now there is no evidence to back up this accusation, just the word of someone that isn't even paid to do his job, probably doesn't know anyone who develops this private server personally, and for all intents and purposes, is just a regular dude who applied on this site using the application to be a GM.

I would also like to point out that my friend doesn't even give a shit. I'm holding the torch for him and pushing to find out why. He is pissed enough that he would rather just abandon any prospect of playing here again if this is the type of thing that is going to happen. He could create a new account if he wanted to keep playing, but he isn't.

This is, word for word, what the GM told me, copy and pasted directly from his post;

"I was watching your friend for quite some time. We have enough evidence and proof that he was indeed cheating that he was banned. He also admitted this to us while speaking with us on GM island."

This is what my friend texted me;

"My chat began with them asking if I knew why I was there, I assumed bad language, they proceeded to accuse me of hacking, and then I got banned".

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Antipatra 0]

This is a good time to ask what exactly the process is when you get reports of cheating, or investigate someone. Do you take screenshots of these interactions and log them? Is there some sort of ticket system that holds all the evidence of these accusations? Cheat detection? Chat logs? Or is the word of some random person that "watched someone" enough evidence to ban someone from the game indefinitely? What exactly do you have to watch someone do for "quite some time" that can't instead immediately be determined after a few minutes?

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Stormhart 12]

This really isn't the place to appeal your friends ban. You have been given directions to the proper place. As for the investigation process, I think it's best kept private, otherwise the cheaters will look for workarounds.

[Antipatra 0]

27 minutes ago, Stormhart said:

This really isn't the place to appeal your friends ban. You have been given directions to the proper place. As for the investigation process, I think it's best kept private, otherwise the cheaters will look for workarounds.

If I don't get what I asked for - evidence, chat logs and confirmation that my friend did what this GM said he did - then someone is likely covering this up and abusing his position, and I'm going to post this conversation, and the GM conversation, everywhere I can; Reddit, Kotaku, or any other gaming website that has covered this server. It will be public then, so I don't see any reason to "shove this under the rug" because you have a minor concern about legitimately banned people possibly taking advantage of the situation.

Why should anyone want to play on this server if you can run into a GM on a bad day and get your account closed? Is anyone really that hard up for a classic WoW server? Is anyone willing to waste their time like that? The prospect gives all private servers a bad name and reputation. If you can't properly run this with trustworthy people, then what's the point? People have donated money here. How would you feel if you donated $1000 dollars, was playing an "unknown alt", and got banned because you pissed off the wrong person?

Edited January 26, 2017 by Antipatra

[Antipatra 0]

I'm taking screenshots of this thread and the GM conversation too, btw, just in case it "mysteriously disappears".

[Revo 34]

1. its not you but your friends duty to get his ass out of this position. the fact he is not doing it himself (nothing can excuse this) makes it look even more fishy. he probably knows he is guilty, yet you are here to post 500 words essays about it

2. the "general discussion" forum is not the place to get in contact with GMs. it is possible, yet unlikely you will get a response from whoever is in charge there

[Revo 34]

4 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

I'm taking screenshots of this thread and the GM conversation too, btw, just in case it "mysteriously disappears".

let me quote you: "You know, you sound like someone who has zero trust in anyone."

you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

[Antipatra 0]

What is your problem? Why would I trust a stranger over my friend? Why do you have such a hard time believing that the GM's here aren't infallible? Do you not have friends that are willing to go out on a limb for you? Is that it? Jealousy?

I'm defending him because I believe he is innocent. I'm a grown up. I make my own decisions. He doesn't want to waste his time. I am willing to do it for him. That's the end of it.

You sound like a jackass with no friends, tbqh. You sound like someone willing to be spoonfed lies as long as it doesn't affect you. You're the real hero here.

[Antipatra 0]

And to make it perfectly clear; I'm only posting this thread to make others aware of the situation. I already have the discussion in the appeal forum. It's a pretty simple thing, really. If I get the evidence I want, I drop it. If I don't, which I'm inclined to believe is very likely considering the GM's response, then everyone will know about it. And I mean everyone.

[Ironsides 35]

17 minutes ago, Antipatra said:

And to make it perfectly clear; I'm only posting this thread to make others aware of the situation. I already have the discussion in the appeal forum. It's a pretty simple thing, really. If I get the evidence I want, I drop it. If I don't, which I'm inclined to believe is very likely considering the GM's response, then everyone will know about it. And I mean everyone.

jesus christ get your "friend" to make the thread. although I suspect your friend already made the thread, didn't he.

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

21 hours ago, Revo said:

ppl tell a lot. 99% of this turns out to be false

This quote is not wrong.

[JunkShop 1]

The last time someone came here and protested their friend/guildmate's innocence it turned out that the guy protesting had been lied to.  If your friend is innocent, then a ban appeal will judge in his favour.  Get him to make an appeal because otherwise he will stay banned forever.  If he doesn't want to put in an appeal, then you have to wonder why that would be.  There is always more than meets the eye when bans are concerned.

By the way, nobody has to produce ANY evidence to you.  It's not your account and therefore they don't have to justify anything to you.

What's your friends name by the way?  The last time the GM's posted in the thread exactly why the guy was banned so his friend would know how he was being lied to.  Maybe they'll do the same here after looking at the appeal? 

Edited January 26, 2017 by JunkShop

[toniplavna 20]

Why you dont admit that you got banned? And not ur imaginary friend?

[Vollfos 2]

i dont understand that hype

 

25k people constant online, and all the <GM>´s are spare their free time to give us all a better experience.

they have better to do as an innocent banning.

 

and you said on your own the GM watched him!

before he got banned that means:

-first someone opened a ticket that he had cheated

- second they watched him how he cheated

 

there are so may ways to cheat in a BG 

examples are 

-scripting (addons/ Macros)

-exploiting( jump on roofs/getting out of spawnpoint before bg starts)

-using illegal addons for scanning/wallhacks

 

another aspect is that he said he had a harsh harrasment in chat .... do you know if he had some other textings before with other GM´s before for chatspam/harrasment/ or all the other things what against the rules ? 

 

i failed myself too:

yesterday i got reported and a GM said to me ive did to much Emotespam , i agreed because it was true, someone reported me for this ( as i know i only spammed 1 times a emotemacro to a 9 lvl higher ganker of mine which killed me 9 times in a row ) but he reported me :) 

 

the GM said to me if i spam next time emotes, it would have consequences.

anyway he was nicely to me. so i dont spam emotes :) 

 

so many reasons why he could get banned 

the only persons who know what he had done , is your friend and the GM 

 

25.000 players! noone get banned without a reason , they have to do better things than that.

and as you say if he innocent, he would get a chance if he do it on his own.

[artan 14]

I call the old motto

 

 

pic´s or it didn´t happen.

[Helzing 7]

@Antipatra Listen this post is 100% useless make your lover appeal for a ban and see what happens because honestly this is getting ridiculous most of the time people are banned is because they did something.