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[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Coop сказал:

After a quick search of a Paladin pre-raid bis thread from Cata: 

http://www.wowhead.com/item=76160/drapes-of-the-dragonshrine#dropped-by

http://www.wowhead.com/item=67131/ritssyns-ruminous-drape#comments

http://www.wowhead.com/item=76154/breastplate-of-despair#comments

http://www.wowhead.com/item=76156/bindings-of-the-end-times#dropped-by

http://www.wowhead.com/item=67141/corefire-legplates#dropped-by

And only 2 items have a world drop. But at least something.

Anyway im stil sure that blizzard started changing the loot system in wotlk only because of couple pieces of gear. Whats they've been waiting for so many time?

And i still dont remember any pre raid bis boes at wotld (the time when they started changing the system). Maybe because i've came to the retail only om the 2nd half of wotlk, duno.

Anyway enjoy vanilla experience :)

[Oakenlix 79]

1 minute ago, zmandude24 said:

Apparently it's too hard for tanks to set loot rules beforehand. If Beer rolled need when it was made a loot roll of need before greed on BoE epics, he's a ninja, but since that wasn't the case, he is not a ninja at all. I main a tank in vanilla and if that happened to me and I didn't specify need before greed, it would be on me and not him.

It's true, when no loot rules are declared, it's by default "Need" on any BoE. But if everyone agreed to not do that, then of course not keeping your own word would be a dishonorable thing to do and could be considered as ninja looting.

[debrye 0]

4 minutes ago, Bluntski said:

The lengths these people are going to to defend their greed is astounding.

Oy veyy indeed.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, zmandude24 сказал:

Apparently it's too hard for tanks to set loot rules beforehand. If Beer rolled need when it was made a loot roll of need before greed on BoE epics, he's a ninja, but since that wasn't the case, he is not a ninja at all. I main a tank in vanilla and if that happened to me and I didn't specify need before greed, it would be on me and not him.

Dafuck are you talking about?! I'M THE BAD GUY! Its only my fault :))

 

P.s. But i'll agree with you. The only loot rule was that gems were reserved for a tank.

[Beerwizzard 13]

1 минуту назад, Bluntski сказал:

The lengths these people are going to to defend their greed is astounding.

Any differense between a wish to get gold and a wish to save some gold ? I see greed in both options

Lets just classify it xD

[Oakenlix 79]

8 minutes ago, Bluntski said:

The lengths these people are going to to defend their greed is astounding.

How am I greedy for saying everyone should roll "Need" for any BoE? You dumb fuck.

[Garun 9]

8 minutes ago, Beerwizzard said:

Dafuck are you talking about?! I'M THE BAD GUY! Its only my fault :))

 

P.s. But i'll agree with you. The only loot rule was that gems were reserved for a tank.

I personally do not agree with everyone rolling need on BoEs, but what is worse is people falsely calling you a ninja when you didn't do anything wrong. Retail made logic go out the window and people being entitiled to loot. Heck retail doesn't even have need before greed anymore, but a personal loot system where you have a chance of getting something appropriate for your spec on looting a boss.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, zmandude24 сказал:

I personally do not agree with everyone rolling need on BoEs, but what is worse is people falsely calling you a ninja when you didn't do anything wrong. Retail made logic go out the window and people being entitiled to loot. Heck retail doesn't even have need before greed anymore, but a personal loot system where you have a chance of getting something appropriate for your spec on looting a boss.

Some ppl are surprisingly dumb and getting upset when they dont get what they want. So they just talking bullshit and its impossible to somehow educate them :(

[Bluntski 13]

37 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

How am I greedy for saying everyone should roll "Need" for any BoE? You dumb fuck.

Not only are you greedy but seems you are toxic as well.

[Oakenlix 79]

1 minute ago, Bluntski said:

Not only are you greedy but seems you are toxic as well.

Toxis towards dumb fucks like you, yes. Now, please anwser the question.

39 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

How am I greedy for saying everyone should roll "Need" for any BoE?

 

 

Edited January 30, 2017 by Oakenlix

[Coop 3]

1 hour ago, Oakenlix said:

So you're saying because Blizzard implemented those changes people shouldn't roll "Need" on BoEs in vanilla?

First of all, that's not the case. And secondly, if Blizzard are such an authority to you, how come you play on a private 1.12 server? Blizzard don't want you to do that, please play retail. 

Should I go on the authority of the people who made the game, or the random guy on the Internet? Tough choice.

Because I brought actual evidence to the argument rather than your random assertions that you're right, I should go and play retail. Yeah makes sense. 

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Guys, seriously ignore all 3 of these idiots. They feel entitled to items because they are GOLD not ITEMS. there is no way to get through to them because they follow liberal logic "If you don't agree with my twisted and warped sense of truth on this, you are wrong". stop feeding these trolls. They are exactly that.

[Beerwizzard 13]

22 минуты назад, The Fapmonsoon сказал:

 "If you don't agree with my twisted and warped sense of truth on this, you are wrong"

Everyone can have his own opinion but you still havent proved that i'm wrong while everything was explained on  previous 8 pages

Edited January 30, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Actually it has been proven time and time again though these 9 pages (sorry that you are unable to count as well as listen to logic). Im not feeding your dumb ass anymore though so keep quoting, this is the last time I speak directly to your ignorant ass.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, The Fapmonsoon сказал:

Actually it has been proven time and time again though these 9 pages (sorry that you are unable to count as well as listen to logic). Im not feeding your dumb ass anymore though so keep quoting, this is the last time I speak directly to your ignorant ass.

Holy fuck. Never seen anyone dumber than you. Just dont reply on this thread.

[Oakenlix 79]

20 minutes ago, Beerwizzard said:

everything was explained on  previous 8 pages

6 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

Actually it has been proven time and time again though these 9 pages (sorry that you are unable to count as well as listen to logic).

This pretty much sums up this thread. You don't need to post anything anymore, Fapmonsoon. 

 

Edited January 30, 2017 by Oakenlix

[ShyThunder 0]

2 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

It's true, when no loot rules are declared, it's by default "Need" on any BoE. But if everyone agreed to not do that, then of course not keeping your own word would be a dishonorable thing to do and could be considered as ninja looting.

Can we get some consensus on this? When I used to play, it was "Need" on things that you could use and would equip right away, and "Greed" on everything else, but some people are "Need"ing and claiming this afterwards when I just roll "Greed".

I just wish there were some rubric for this.

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, ShyThunder said:

Can we get some consensus on this? When I used to play, it was "Need" on things that you could use and would equip right away, and "Greed" on everything else, but some people are "Need"ing and claiming this afterwards when I just roll "Greed".

I just wish there were some rubric for this.

If you really want to make sure no one gets mad, just ask for the loot rules whenever you join a group or a raid.

[ShyThunder 0]

What if nobody cares one way or the other? What is the REAL default? It seems like people in this thread are arguing multiple ways.

[Oakenlix 79]

23 minutes ago, ShyThunder said:

What if nobody cares one way or the other? What is the REAL default? It seems like people in this thread are arguing multiple ways.

Well, look, if nobody cares, you might as well do yourself a favor and roll "Need" on any BoE to get some extra items. 

If someone is agaist that, they sure will tell you when you ask for a loot rules.

[ShyThunder 0]

32 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

Well, look, if nobody cares, you might as well do yourself a favor and roll "Need" on any BoE to get some extra items. 

If someone is agaist that, they sure will tell you when you ask for a loot rules.

But then I might look like a ninja and have a post about me, later.

[Oakenlix 79]

Just now, ShyThunder said:

But then I might look like a ninja and have a post about me, later.

No, because you did ask for loot rules and if no one replied and never stated them, you can't be blamed for this.  But seeing how some people are irrationally mad about such things, I do understand you concern.

But I don't think there could be a definite conclusion for you here, some people will tell you to never roll need for something you can't wear, but it's up to you to decide.

[Oxblood 5]

12 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

No, my way of seeing it comes from simple logic

Here is some simple logic for you. The item for the Tank has a value of X, the purchase price on the AH. For anyone in the group the item has a value of X-15%, where this is the amount of gold they would get after selling it on the AH and the AH taking its cut.

By your logic, the item has a greater value for the Tank than for anyone else and should go to him.

Lets take another example that someone mentioned, BoE greens. What if a BoE green was an upgrade for my recent 60 who was still wearing ilvl 45 gear. By your rules everyone in the group should be rolling Need on the item when, by your logic only I should be rolling need, as I will get more out of the item then someone vendoring it, or if it had marginal stats maybe getting double the vendor from the AH.

This situation reminds me of the quote miss attributed to Churchill:

Quote

“Would you sleep with a stranger if he paid you $100,000?” the lawyer asked the pretty defendant.

“Yes.”

“Would you sleep with him if he paid you only $25?”

“Certainly not! What do you think I am?”

“We’ve already established what you are,” came back the lawyer. “Now we are trying to establish to what extent.”

In this case we can replace the implied question of "Are you Whore?" with "Are you a greedy player, only after personal gain and fuck your reputation on the server?"

[Oxblood 5]

4 hours ago, ShyThunder said:

Can we get some consensus on this? When I used to play, it was "Need" on things that you could use and would equip right away, and "Greed" on everything else, but some people are "Need"ing and claiming this afterwards when I just roll "Greed".

I just wish there were some rubric for this.

I can confirm that on NA servers it was as you think it should be.

I guess on the Asia or EU servers they had greedier players, just like now on these private servers you have to roll need on all the Traveller's Backpacks, which was never a thing on any Vanilla server I played on.

Edited January 31, 2017 by Oxblood
Minor typos

[flowqz 34]

i think blizzard changed the lootrules, because the servercommunity became less and less a thing (servertrans etc.). so ppl with that "greed=need" attitude like you guys couldnt do it anymore. 

 

thats also why i think u guys never played classic back than, cause beeing on everyones ignorelist was a thing (servers had 2.5k pop max, so it was easier to get blacklisted by every important guild). if u think the social aspect in an mmorpg isnt a thing go ahead and need on every boe.