Griefing Devilsaurs

[Oakenlix 79]

As long as there's no interfaction griefing, I don't see the problem with horde and alliance players cooperating.

But yeah, the amount of dedication they show towards doing this kinda reminds me of gold sellers, so one would wanna look into this.

[futurehendrix 2]

5 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

As long as there's no interfaction griefing, I don't see the problem with horde and alliance players cooperating.

But yeah, the amount of dedication they show towards doing this kinda reminds me of gold sellers, so one would wanna look into this.

Which in this case sadly happened. A horde mage sheeped my devilsaur (me also being horde).

[void_echo 10]

1 hour ago, ironskillet2 said:

 

I hope Elysium devs understand this kind of monopoly behavior PROMOTES the buying of gold...

 

I don't know about the mafias on new servers, but on Nost (before it went down), some of them were routinely bragging about selling gold to gold-reselling companies.

Edited February 13, 2017 by void_echo

[futurehendrix 2]

I am very happy that there are many people responding, giving their input to clear up facts about that goddamn devilsaur mafia. I am fairly sure the Elysium Devs gonna see that Thread and get useful input out of that! Keep it up

[Ohhgee 3]

Devilsaur Leather is basically the most valuable and most scarcely available resource in the game on a server this size with no Titanic Legplates in the game.

Only the most dedicated players are able to obtain Devilsaur Leathers consistently. You basically need to bring an army capable of taking the territory from whoever is currently farming. Cross-faction politics are usually involved. And you'll need someone with amazing ping to tag the mobs.

Remember that Vanilla is not fair and it is not kind to casuals. Un'Goro is no different than other aspects of Vanilla; the players that break it down to a science and invest an insane amount of time/effort will always come out on top.

Welcome to the jungle

Edited February 13, 2017 by Ohhgee

[Azure 0]

27 minutes ago, Ohhgee said:

Devilsaur Leather is basically the most valuable and most scarcely available resource in the game on a server this size with no Titanic Legplates in the game.

Only the most dedicated players are able to obtain Devilsaur Leathers consistently. You basically need to bring an army capable of taking the territory from whoever is currently farming. Cross-faction politics are usually involved. And you'll need someone with amazing ping to tag the mobs.

Remember that Vanilla is not fair and it is not kind to casuals. Un'Goro is no different than other aspects of Vanilla; the players that break it down to a science and invest an insane amount of time/effort will always come out on top.

Welcome to the jungle

Then if griefing, borderline exploiting and such becomes the 'science' and insane investment of time/effort, then there is a simple solution. Do unto them as they do unto the community.

Bring out the traces, grab the IPs, find their location, reveal their information to the internet.

Welcome to the real jungle. /shrug

[Ohhgee 3]

pls don't hack me bro

[Lorilay 12]

9 minutes ago, Azure said:

Then if griefing, borderline exploiting and such becomes the 'science' and insane investment of time/effort, then there is a simple solution. Do unto them as they do unto the community.

Bring out the traces, grab the IPs, find their location, reveal their information to the internet.

Welcome to the real jungle. /shrug

Look out everyone! We have an internet badass over here!

[Azure 0]

Just now, Lorilay said:

Look out everyone! We have an internet badass over here!

Not sure where you got that, I never said I was going to even waste the effort to do such a thing. But I can assure you someone will at some point :P

But by all means, continue to let the community degrade because of people running a cartel and selling shit to gold farmers.

[Lorilay 12]

This entire thread: I can't kill one of the 4 mobs (with a 10 minute respawn timer) that drop the item that every melee dps on the server needs. If you really want to farm it yourself, you're going to need some help.

The GMs here have already responded to a thread about same-faction sheeping, and it's completely allowed as long as you're not messing an escort quest NPC. All the subsequent complaining is pointless.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Lorilay

[Software 9]

5 minutes ago, Lorilay said:

This entire thread: I can't kill one of the 4 mobs (with a 10 minute respawn timer) that drop the item that every melee dps on the server needs. If you really want to farm it yourself, you're going to need some help.

The issue is very clearly not that he can't farm them himself. The issue is same faction griefing via sheep.

People can say it's not griefing all they want because of the rules, but it's like holding your hand in a person's face without actually touching them and then arguing that you're doing nothing wrong.

It's a case of shitty behavior being protected.

[Lorilay 12]

1 minute ago, Software said:

The issue is very clearly not that he can't farm them himself. The issue is same faction griefing via sheep.

People can say it's not griefing all they want because of the rules, but it's like holding your hand in a person's face without actually touching them and then arguing that you're doing nothing wrong.

It's a case of shitty behavior being protected.

The GMs here have specifically said that same-faction sheeping is acceptable. No one is saying it's a nice thing to do, but it's specifically not against the rules to do.

[Software 9]

4 minutes ago, Lorilay said:

The GMs here have specifically said that same-faction sheeping is acceptable. No one is saying it's a nice thing to do, but it's specifically not against the rules to do.

Which is the point of the thread. It's definitely not a landslide in favor of "its ok".

 

Instead of adding to the thread with an actual thought processed sentiment, you posted a garbage tl; dr that wasn't even close to being accurate. 

[Ohhgee 3]

Nobody is selling gold to illegal 3rd party websites. To make that conclusion is a massive leap beyond any actual facts. Nobody is "exploiting" either.

Cleverly and methodically using game mechanics (which are available for all players to use) is not exploiting. No rules are being broken here.

Youre just salty that people with better gear/more friends/more time/more organization than you are coming out on top :D

Edited February 13, 2017 by Ohhgee

[Haestingas 30]

Really the only way you can farm devilsaur for a length of time is to bring half + of your guild and be prepared to fight. Quite frankly I think the Mafia/Cartel are one of the most interesting parts of the server. Why shouldn't they be rewarded for being organized?

[Voice 2]

Just open tickets every day, you just need to get the infomation to the GMs/devs.

There are so many hackers and cheaters on the Anathema server that sheep exploiting isnt really hitting their radar.

[futurehendrix 2]

Tried it again right now. Got ready on a spot, an alliance hunter came. Nothing special up to that. Saw a horde hunter arriving to, so I texted him "lets kill him". He was like "no", "he will call for help". next thing that happens is the alliance hunter kills me, the troll hunter watches. I see that alliance hunter killing the devilsaur and the troll hunter rode away with that alliance hunter only to find them on the next spawn together and experience the same thing.

And people wanna tell me there aint no mafia thing on here?

[Shayss 43]

Seriously OP ... are you for real? Just get a group of friends/guildies together, get gear on those friends/guildies and then go beat them up.

On Elysium that Snawfu / Danes group of wanabe mafia are getting cucked so hard because of what I mentioned above.

I must advise you though, get acquainted with a french rog/mage with a good MS, or you might still lose the tags.

 

[futurehendrix 2]

2 minutes ago, Shayss said:

Seriously OP ... are you for real? Just get a group of friends/guildies together, get gear on those friends/guildies and then go beat them up.

On Elysium that Snawfu / Danes group of wanabe mafia are getting cucked so hard because of what I mentioned above.

I must advise you though, get acquainted with a french rog/mage with a good MS, or you might still lose the tags.

 

Bro Id do that. But in most cases its the Horde itself fucking me over as a horde. Not the alliance. Just wanted to mention that case above I just stated to show you what dimension it already reached. Some Horde hunter running around with an alliance hunter to farm devilsaur leather...

[Kombo 0]

What are people talking about? "promotes gold selling" ... bullshit, there are other mobs to farm for gold, devilsaurs aint the only one, maybe the most profitable but if you're not the alpha in the room and can't dominate the others then you simply have to go elsewhere.

I to think that devilsaur maffia are one of the interesting part of the server, its like in real life, one of the most profitable things will get attention and cartels running them, like the drug bussiness.

Stop crying over a area you can't control with 1 player, get your guild there and kill them if you want to claim the land. And mage cant sheep your mobs if you got fast enough attack speed like a hunters cat pet attacking mob. So get a hunter friend to help you to combat sheeping.

You really dont even have to focus to combat sheeping if you have guild mates there, 20 guildmates and the best mage cant sheep your mobs. Try sheep a mob that 20 people attacks. What the hell even 2-3 will do.

Edited February 14, 2017 by Kombo

[void_echo 10]

4 hours ago, Ohhgee said:

Nobody is selling gold to illegal 3rd party websites. To make that conclusion is a massive leap beyond any actual facts. Nobody is "exploiting" either.

 

[behemothdog 4]

1 hour ago, futurehendrix said:

Bro Id do that. But in most cases its the Horde itself fucking me over as a horde. Not the alliance. Just wanted to mention that case above I just stated to show you what dimension it already reached. Some Horde hunter running around with an alliance hunter to farm devilsaur leather...

Being greedy or a dick to people in your same faction has been around from day 1. Also, money and control vs some people who happen to be on a character in the same faction as theirs, what do you think wins?  

 

 

EDIT: Holy shit @above post!

Edited February 14, 2017 by behemothdog

[Heglamore 1]

10 hours ago, Erjh8765 said:

There's only one reason to camp the devilsaurs mafia-style, and that is to make enough gold to sell to third parties for real money.

I suspect these players are also connected to gold-sellers or selling gold themselves, so GM"s should definitely look into them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's actually to buy the 20 Flasks of Supreme Power, 20 flasks of the titans (over 100 gold each), etc. (As in.. EVERY member of the guild needs 20 of each -- not just for the casters buying supreme power; warriors too -- because they go to the guild bank, every member has to do it, not going to an individual person) required by the top raid guilds for AQ's opening. Along with many, many, many other consumables on the consumable list for AQ progression as many guilds vie for server firsts, and gearing up primary raids so they can gear up secondary raids and alts.

If you're a warrior .. and your guild tells you that you need to buy 2000 gold worth of flasks or you may not get a raid spot over someone who helped the guild out... where are you going to farm? Some guilds don't sell their sulfurion ingots to get that shit. They'd rather make Hand of Rag for the prestiege.

Welcome to Progression Servers.

It has nothing to do with "Gold Selling".. but people who cannot currently clear BWL, and weren't clearing it on initial release may not understand exactly how elitist some of the best guilds to be in actually are. It's easy to dominate Un'goro (and other locations, such as Blasted Lands, the Arcanite Bar Market, and so-on) if you are even remotely willing to cooperate with other players who are in a position to do so with you.

It is however difficult for the majority of this server  to kill Nefarian, regardless of how easily the top 20 guilds on it may clear him. That's about.. 800 people.. out of 5000+ depending on the time of day.. who don't bring raid consumables, elixers, MP5 Food and unwittingly wipe their raids through sheer lack of stats: Having BIS from the previous tier isn't enough to clear safely, easily or quickly.

Sound familiar to anyone -- even if you bring consumables.. have you been inspecting the person next to you? That guy who's 5th on your 'Effective Healing' list?

< NOPE > already has all the gold they can actually fit onto an individual characters, and all the mats they need for AQ. Other guilds are now filling the gap when they got bored waiting. And while a majority of you wait for AQ to come out, so you can get cheap quest epics from Cenarian Circle, and easy gear out of AQ20 to help you down Nefarian ... some people are doing what they have to do to clear content while it's still relevant.

It was the same way in retail on my server, Nathrezim / Reckoning Battlegroup -- and it's part of Anathma's (Nostalrius's) server history.. and part of why many people intentionally choose to come to this server. I leveled up to 60 only a few weeks before Nostalrius shut down and was devestated by it's loss because I hadn't even reached a point where my gear let me participate in it.

Two months of work from there, and I've been active with the PvP and raid crowd, and am finally able to fight these battles in the world by making myself known amongst PvPers, and being invited based on my reputation amongst them.
 

TLDR:
I wanted the intense competition Vanilla back on US Nathrezim PvP provided me. I got it on Nostalrius/Anathama. Sometimes I win. A lot of times I don't; but when I don't? I figure out what happened and I bring more grenades, potions, consumables and more friends.

There is a PvE server for people who do not want to have to fight over resources in the world of Azeroth to get their Pre-raid BEST IN SLOT.

If Best In Slot isn't worth fighting over.. I don't know what is.

It's your gateway to epics. People who get those epics tend to want to use them to smash people over the head with them. Hense PvP.

Welcome to Every RPG ever.

Diremaul East duo, and Diremaul East solo are how I paid for my epic mount and pre-raid BIS.

Edited February 14, 2017 by Heglamore

[Devoth 0]

1 hour ago, Heglamore said:

It's actually to buy the 20 Flasks of Supreme Power, 20 flasks of the titans (over 100 gold each), etc. (As in.. EVERY member of the guild needs 20 of each -- not just for the casters buying supreme power; warriors too -- because they go to the guild bank, every member has to do it, not going to an individual person) required by the top raid guilds for AQ's opening. Along with many, many, many other consumables on the consumable list for AQ progression as many guilds vie for server firsts, and gearing up primary raids so they can gear up secondary raids and alts.

If you're a warrior .. and your guild tells you that you need to buy 2000 gold worth of flasks or you may not get a raid spot over someone who helped the guild out... where are you going to farm? Some guilds don't sell their sulfurion ingots to get that shit. They'd rather make Hand of Rag for the prestiege.

Welcome to Progression Servers.

It has nothing to do with "Gold Selling".. but people who cannot currently clear BWL, and weren't clearing it on initial release may not understand exactly how elitist some of the best guilds to be in actually are. It's easy to dominate Un'goro (and other locations, such as Blasted Lands, the Arcanite Bar Market, and so-on) if you are even remotely willing to cooperate with other players who are in a position to do so with you.

It is however difficult for the majority of this server  to kill Nefarian, regardless of how easily the top 20 guilds on it may clear him. That's about.. 800 people.. out of 5000+ depending on the time of day.. who don't bring raid consumables, elixers, MP5 Food and unwittingly wipe their raids through sheer lack of stats: Having BIS from the previous tier isn't enough to clear safely, easily or quickly.

Sound familiar to anyone -- even if you bring consumables.. have you been inspecting the person next to you? That guy who's 5th on your 'Effective Healing' list?

< NOPE > already has all the gold they can actually fit onto an individual characters, and all the mats they need for AQ. Other guilds are now filling the gap when they got bored waiting. And while a majority of you wait for AQ to come out, so you can get cheap quest epics from Cenarian Circle, and easy gear out of AQ20 to help you down Nefarian ... some people are doing what they have to do to clear content while it's still relevant.

It was the same way in retail on my server, Nathrezim / Reckoning Battlegroup -- and it's part of Anathma's (Nostalrius's) server history.. and part of why many people intentionally choose to come to this server. I leveled up to 60 only a few weeks before Nostalrius shut down and was devestated by it's loss because I hadn't even reached a point where my gear let me participate in it.

Two months of work from there, and I've been active with the PvP and raid crowd, and am finally able to fight these battles in the world by making myself known amongst PvPers, and being invited based on my reputation amongst them.
 

TLDR:
I wanted the intense competition Vanilla back on US Nathrezim PvP provided me. I got it on Nostalrius/Anathama. Sometimes I win. A lot of times I don't; but when I don't? I figure out what happened and I bring more grenades, potions, consumables and more friends.

There is a PvE server for people who do not want to have to fight over resources in the world of Azeroth to get their Pre-raid BEST IN SLOT.

If Best In Slot isn't worth fighting over.. I don't know what is.

It's your gateway to epics. People who get those epics tend to want to use them to smash people over the head with them. Hense PvP.

Welcome to Every RPG ever.

Diremaul East duo, and Diremaul East solo are how I paid for my epic mount and pre-raid BIS.

Yup. And not to mention all the extra shit needed. NR gear, daily consumes, PvP consumes. If you want to fight and play against the best, you gotta make them sheckels OP. Go cry about This to your friends, or actually form raids with them. Would be fun with more wpvp action around

[Heglamore 1]

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