2h fury or Arms at level 40

[Misunderstood_Tauren 0]

Im asking this as a person who is not concerned about WPVP battles. 

As of late ive been having a tough choice for what to spec into when I hit 40. I understand people are in love with MS, but why should i give up Enrage/flurry/extra attack power/more rage/bloodthirst for it?? The arms tree is mostly composed of weapon specializations....

[gotmilk0112 10]

I've tried both throughout the 40s, they both have equally slow and frustrating kill speeds.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

I don't understand why you would want to play 2h fury. Fury (to my knowledge at least) is all bout getting 2 solid 1h weapons and getting lots of attacks out to proc your bonuses. MS is easy for leveling because of the sheer amount of dmg you can get per swing and also the ability to pvp and stop healers from having an easy job (lots of world pvp happens past 40) but if you don't care about pvp I would say fury with 2 - 1h is better.

[Jeetee 2]

Try both and decide.  Arms is better at cleave farming with sweeping strikes.  Fury is a tad better single target and has no weapon spec requirement.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Jeetee

[gotmilk0112 10]

5 hours ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

I don't understand why you would want to play 2h fury. Fury (to my knowledge at least) is all bout getting 2 solid 1h weapons and getting lots of attacks out to proc your bonuses.

Because dual-wielding gives you a massive reduction to hit chance. That's why.

 

Unless you have two godly 1h weapons, like Thrash Blade and an epic offhand, it's better to go 2h.

[Misunderstood_Tauren 0]

Ya so, i switched over to arms, followed a cookie cutter build and this is my experience:

Leveling with arms past 40 is DREADFUL, in single target fights my average DPS was nearly half as much as it was when I was specced into arms instead of fury 2h. 

I dont que for BGs, but in wpvp i saw no real significant difference in my encounters with alliance. 

However, in dungeons (which make a small percent of my leveling experience) my Dps was top of the charts in multi target fights. in single target i was trailing behind by a lot.

My suggestion: Just stick with fury if you have been leveling that way since level 1...

[gotmilk0112 10]

11 hours ago, Misunderstood_Tauren said:

Ya so, i switched over to arms, followed a cookie cutter build and this is my experience:

Leveling with arms past 40 is DREADFUL, in single target fights my average DPS was nearly half as much as it was when I was specced into arms instead of fury 2h. 

I dont que for BGs, but in wpvp i saw no real significant difference in my encounters with alliance. 

However, in dungeons (which make a small percent of my leveling experience) my Dps was top of the charts in multi target fights. in single target i was trailing behind by a lot.

My suggestion: Just stick with fury if you have been leveling that way since level 1...

I tried Fury at ~45 and found it to be just the same speed as Arms, if not slower. Except you have to fuck around with sit-critting which gets tedious pretty quickly.

 

If you were truly doing "half as much" DPS with Arms, you were doing something very wrong.

[Erikgrabben 0]

On 16 februari 2017 at 8:44 PM, Misunderstood_Tauren said:

Im asking this as a person who is not concerned about WPVP battles. 

As of late ive been having a tough choice for what to spec into when I hit 40. I understand people are in love with MS, but why should i give up Enrage/flurry/extra attack power/more rage/bloodthirst for it?? The arms tree is mostly composed of weapon specializations....

U should not give up fury at 40 when lvling. Arms is viable but u dont sustain as good as a 2h fury warr - bloodcraze, bloodthirst. On top of this u can make the most use out of enrage by pressing x key right before you get hit to sit down for a 100% critt, proccing enrage. U could potentially have 25% more dmg at all times getting used to this. Also bloodcraze is going to occur everytime u take a crit so it will deffinetly be worth it

[JAllenEunuch 0]

I'm no min/maxer, but the oh miss chance for dw fury is less costly than a slow 2h miss. I've found (subjectively) that dw's dps is more steady if you're on it with rotation. It's also good to practice being "on it" especially in the optimal raid spec so why not level as raid spec. The first 17 points in the cookie cutter hybrid into fury build you spend in the arms tree for obvious advantages (rend is OP at early levels, less cost rage is the same, tactical mastery is crucial and useful for tanking at any level but especially for lowbies, then the obvious cheap overpower damage, and of course deep wounds and impale the whole reason you do arms for a fury build, after 17 points you go all fury. WW axe is definitely fun with no hit rating 1-30ish but once you get into the 40s and you have to spend 5 to 7 globals to kill a mob single target, a 2h miss on the latter half of the fight, in my experience kills you just way too much to not go dw. Yeah so dw you see "miss miss miss" on your screen but I can take 2 mobs to your one as dw (vs slow 2h) and survive (of course all wars have to eat though :P). So my basic rotation is (trying to keep battle shout up usually the last thing I pop/refresh before I polish off a mob): charge, rend (situational), berzerker stance, berzerker rage, /sit (I have key bound to a mouse thumb button and yes I'm practicing getting it in now for +25% damage so I'm on it if I pull aggro in a raid [trash pulls], whichever cool-downs are up (deathwish, bloodfury) which get multiplied by enrage IF you /sit, ww, hs, all while watching for a dodge to stance dance to battle for op, then the occasional hamstring to prevent mob wandering off so I can eat or bandage before next pull. Fury dw is just more steady, and you might as well practice and get used to your raid spec rotation imo.

Edited March 6, 2017 by JAllenEunuch

[Undertanker 88]

14 hours ago, JAllenEunuch said:

but the oh miss chance for dw fury is less costly than a slow 2h miss.

Though this thread is about spec post level 40, I'll cover some points with you about your submission:

The miss penalty applies to your main hand white hits as well.

Also you are not factoring in while grinding your first hit starts at 0 seconds when you run up and hit the mob.  Greatly increasing the damage of using a 2h vs a x2 1h (not even factoring in the misses).

Also in the event you are grinding higher level mobs (which you shouldn't) an experienced warrior with a very slow weapon can use some of their excess rage (pre-40) to hamstring or piercing howl.  With a mob under these effects you can Auto - run out of melee range, and run back in for an instant auto, run back out, - repeat.  This makes your damage uptime vs damage taken ratio work out extremely well in your favor in regards to limiting down time.  (swing timer add-on helps a lot here).  This is something you should do when fighting other melee in pvp as well.

 

Starting in arms tree hinders you right off the bat.  Rend should be used (pre-40) as the damage per rage > heroic strike; when the mob is >50% HP.  Open with it, you usually don't refresh it though.  So Imp heroic strike has limited usage as you don't have much spare rage to use it often.  You would be better off refreshing battleshout at the end of your fight than use an extra Heroic strike and putting you out of rage for next mob and having your battle shout expire.

Imp charge has limited use as well while questing due to many of your quest involve camps of mobs that you have to bow pull to a safe location and unleash any adds.  Again limited application beyond the few kill "x" beast that tend to roam alone.

Tactical mastery has VERY limited application outside of mocking blow pre-30 as well.   In the event you do need to stance dance after 30, you can conserve bloodrage for such cases to get your 10 rage / intercept.  So limited application in this stage of leveling.

So you are giving up 5% crit, a heal that will heal you for pretty much half the damage of a crit (making it just a normal hit - if you prioritize stam), and forcing enrage for 25% increase of all damage = 25% more rage gains as well - ALL By level 29!

 

For more details on leveling paths see: https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/21792-leveling-a-warrior/?do=findComment&comment=239964

 

Edited March 7, 2017 by Undertanker

[Into 3]

9 hours ago, Undertanker said:

Also you are not factoring in while grinding your first hit starts at 0 seconds...

Imp charge has limited use as well while questing...

It's probably important to separate grinding from questing here.

I'm more of a grinder than a quester, and I'm finding the Arms tree to my liking over Fury. I do agree that either way you should be using a 2H. Improved Charge is used and useful on almost every mob I face when grinding, as opposed to questing. As you say, Rend should be the opener on every mob, an so Improved Rend is very valuable to a leveling Warrior. Improved Heroic Strike is also good to have, as it often lets me get in 3 Heroic Strikes (36 rage vs. 45 rage, saving 9 rage) on a single mob before moving on to the next. Deflection is also fairly useful for survivability, a big warrior grinding problem, and I take it over Tactical Mastery while leveling. You've also got Improved Overpower to make up for any dodges, and soon Sweeping Strikes to take out two or three mobs at once.

I don't plan on every being Fury at end-game (more like an Arms/Prot hybrid tank in light PVE and flag carrier / node defender in PVP) so I want to level up with the tools I'll actually use as long as they aren't too slow. They're not, not at all, and I'm surprisingly leveling my Arms Warrior as fast or faster than my friend is leveling his Rogue.

Many Warriors in Vanilla will of course be Fury DPS at end game, and leveling up in Fury makes the most sense for them. It may also be slightly faster for grinding, but probably not very significantly.

[Jeetee 2]

Well let's be honest leveling and raiding are really different settings.  So the argument to level fury because you will raid as it is a pretty moot point.  

Either spec is fine to level with.

Edited March 7, 2017 by Jeetee

[Dracon 1]

On 2/16/2017 at 9:44 PM, Misunderstood_Tauren said:

Im asking this as a person who is not concerned about WPVP battles. 

As of late ive been having a tough choice for what to spec into when I hit 40. I understand people are in love with MS, but why should i give up Enrage/flurry/extra attack power/more rage/bloodthirst for it?? The arms tree is mostly composed of weapon specializations....

Fury 2H.

On 2/16/2017 at 10:24 PM, The Fapmonsoon said:

I don't understand why you would want to play 2h fury. Fury (to my knowledge at least) is all bout getting 2 solid 1h weapons and getting lots of attacks out to proc your bonuses. MS is easy for leveling because of the sheer amount of dmg you can get per swing and also the ability to pvp and stop healers from having an easy job (lots of world pvp happens past 40) but if you don't care about pvp I would say fury with 2 - 1h is better.

Delete WoW.

 

I'm a man of a few words.

[gotmilk0112 10]

5 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

Lol, newbie with 3 posts tells me to delete. Yea he must be a pro.

So the number of posts you have on the forum dictates how good you are at the game?

man, I must be an uber legendary guru of vanilla WoW

5 minutes ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

PS - I quit this shit server close to a month ago, I just enjoy laughing at you snowflakes in denial.

and yet you're still here, shitposting on the forums

 

rofl

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Yep, its fun to pass time at work. You will notice I come here around the same times each day and only work days. Might want to put 1 and 1 together and realize its because I have nothing better to do during slow times at work.

No, your post count doesn't make you good. But a new player coming here telling me to delete definitely deserves to be called a scrub. He has contributed nothing to the forums so far and wants to tell others to delete? Yes, I troll here now, but prior to that I was actually active here in a positive light. It wasn't until the Admins started lying constantly and trying to make others look bad because they fucked up, that I quit and started coming here for the "lulz".

[gotmilk0112 10]

Just now, The Fapmonsoon said:

Yes, I troll here now

 

Just now, The Fapmonsoon said:

 I quit and started coming here for the "lulz".

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

When people take my troll bait like you have... yea I do tend to get happy like this kid.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Edited March 7, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

hahaha, nice you are learning to troll now. sadly I have to starve you now because you finally caught on to what was happening. Also, (not that I am even reading your response but for the lulz) why cant you argue my "uneducated opinion"? maybe because you cant? Thanks for the free meal though. This troll is going to enjoy his full stomach under his bridge now.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Here's your (You)

[Adeline 2]

Sweeping strikes is the strongest leveling ability a warrior has.

[Trynux 0]

Well with my warrior I did spec from fury to arms near the 30s taking axe spec.You can get cyclone axe - followed by Bonebiter - followed by the gator axe from maraudon - and finishing with the one from emperor in BRD. By the time I was near lvl 50s I had 23 % crit chance. You can mostly pull 2 mobs and cleave them down with sweeping strikes + ww. For me having Stance mastery is a game changer and I hated every second in fury for not having it. In wpvp arms warrior all the way man, not much to argue there.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Trynux

[cargalia 2]

went dual wield at 44ish never looked back. went arms at lvl 49 for bgs for a little. tried to pve and just respeced dw.

leveled up as 2h fury with 3.8-4.0 weapons and 3.2 weapons seem to be faster at 53ish

Edited March 8, 2017 by cargalia