A Frank Address And Statement on Recent Events and Revelations

[Roidrage 0]

3 minutes ago, Wirt said:

 

Of those I mentioned the ones directly involved with Elysium are Whitekidney and Vitaliy. Whitekidney has been a diligent member of Ownedcore, selling powerleveling and gold through the years. In 2015 he was also trading exploits and working on selling gold at Nostalrius. There are links confirming all of this in a post by me at page 9 of this thread. Vitaliy lifting bans for money was confirmed today: https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5vdmlu/regarding_vitaliy_pastebin_and_the_lgn/

The others are Zzuk and Rhadeghost. Zzuk was part of the Legacy Gaming Network and is the author of probably the most prominent vanilla bot. Rhadeghost was a staff member over at Crestfall, and like Whitekidney, has been selling gold, powerleveling, etc at Ownedcore. As you can see Rhadeghost has a thread from 8 January where he offers powerleveling at Elysium PvP: http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/search.php?searchid=705904

Out of respect to playebase... i Edited. But know thats not the problem....

Edited February 21, 2017 by Roidrage

[Erjh8765 19]

I am starting to really worry about the future of this project.

1. Yaga, one of the Devs, has left the project.

2. Crestfall Devs left the project too.

3. Vitaliy's future is uncertain.

So, there's no Dev left to work on AQ or on the server for that matter. This doesn't look too bright.

[Ellipsea 36]

Nothing is going to destroy this project so much as everyone's shitty attitude and desire for drama.  Yes, Shenna's post isn't going to help; it was a cry and warning for y'all to fucking take it easy.  You all seem more interested in the drama then playing the game.  If you want internet drama go on some AOL chatrooms and act like a tard.

If the sky is falling for you, go somewhere else already.  Don't ya fucking get it?  Some people are working so hard to destroy everything so they can feel some type of momentary righteousness.  When other people are working so hard to give you some enjoyment for FREE.  For free, working hours upon hours every day. Do we understand how messed up that is?

If you imagine some type of perfect world server, go fucking make it already.  Are you going to feel some type of joy when no one has anywhere to go?  Your shit here ...and your shit in world chat is turning people off; it's a goddamn self fulfilling prophesy.  

You don't have your little rights to demand something that you think is better, you don't have any right to free speech.  You have zero rights.  Stay and play and shut the fuck up, or go somewhere else.

 

[Ellipsea 36]

5 minutes ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

yep that's right! palm off any negative opinions and silence any who have them by telling them "can you do any better!?" or "you have no right to free speech here!" that's the best plan evar!! *sarcasm* though i suppose peeps have already been banned for that anyway so nothing new. *expects ban hammer*

"You don't have your little rights to demand something that you think is better"

we aren't demanding anything, we are criticizing shitty decisions. ultimately its their server, and if they dont want to listen to what they are doing wrong because they may have their fee fees hurt then that's their jam. if the devs wanna turn this into a shitty cashcow behind the scenes then by all means go for it, just dont get fucking upset when individuals call that shit out or express concern over it. this project was supposed to be better then that. this project was supposed to be above the horsefuckery of the past. this server was supposed to be the light of hope in a very dark pit of extremely shitty servers and the standards are high. perhaps Elysium just bit off more then they could chew.

Shenna knows what is going wrong, ya think she doesn't?  You think this ball of shit is somehow having a positive effect?  Does the network no longer existing strike you as a positive thing?  If anyone that's whining had a fucking real interest in making it better, they wouldn't have made it a witch hunt and continually moaned in chat so that our online numbers are going down, they would have sent the info to Shen.  Now tell me, are we better off now that we've "exposed" the possible wrong-doing?  And again, you and I have no right to free speech on a private server, what would make you think that?  We are allowed it by the good graces of the people that are working for free for us.  We owe them the existence of sitting here chatting right now.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Ellipsea

[Ellipsea 36]

We just lost the network and a shiny future, because we're fucking stupid.  Congrats everyone.  Well done.  Innuendo and conspiracy theories are so much more rewarding.

[Shiamorah 20]

2 minutes ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

I'm sorry but its not "our" fault that they decided to hire questionable individuals and provide massive amounts of fuel for whatever fires are out there. being concerned makes us "conspiracy theorists" and "fucking stupid". alrighty then. i dont appreciate being blamed for the questionable decisions of the staff. which btw I'm not going to blindly accept like so many of you are apparently expecting us to do.

I don't see how "questionable individuals" play any part in this.

[Roidrage 0]

2 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

I don't see how "questionable individuals" play any part in this.

People don't understand that its Vitaly the owner that is the questional caracter. Not the people Alexsensual choose to blame and now should apologize to.

[Ellipsea 36]

13 minutes ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

I'm sorry but its not "our" fault that they decided to hire questionable individuals and provide massive amounts of fuel for whatever fires are out there. being concerned makes us "conspiracy theorists" and "fucking stupid". alrighty then. i dont appreciate being blamed for the questionable decisions of the staff. which btw I'm not going to blindly accept like so many of you are apparently expecting us to do.

Nah it's our fault to exercise our supposed "constitutional rights" to be able to destroy something when we feel like it.  You know how i feel when I have guild members quiting because they either don't believe in the project now, or they can't stand the fucking whining.  I feel like we're idiots.  We have our rights to be idiots!  Despite the fact there isn't a single fucking one of us in the probably hundreds of thousands of accounts created that were actually touched by, or know of any supposed wrong doing.

 

Nah, We demand the right to destroy something based upon the possibility that there were improprieties.  because that makes sense.

And it feels good.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Ellipsea

[Shiamorah 20]

1 minute ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

Then you haven't been paying attention to any of the drama

I have, actually. It is very apparent that the issue lies with the user Vitaliy, and no one else. The "questionable" individuals involved in the recent hiring of staff were obviously given limited access and only there to fix issues with the backends of the server. I haven't seen anything about whitekidney, or any of those people doing anything wrong at all.

 

In my opinion, everyone, including alexensual, pointed fingers at the wrong people. And those wrong people were the ones that investigated the issue that was discovered, am I wrong? That is the impression I got from the announcements.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Shiamorah

[Mamba 2]

7 minutes ago, Ellipsea said:

Nah it's our fault to exercise our supposed "constitutional rights" to be able to destroy something when we feel like it.  You know how i feel when I have guild members quiting because they either don't believe in the project now, or they can't stand the fucking whining.  I feel like we're idiots.  We have our rights to be idiots!  Despite the fact there isn't a single fucking one of us in the probably hundreds of thousands of accounts created that were actually touched by, or know of any supposed wrong doing.

 

Nah, We demand the right to destroy something based upon the possibility that there were impropriaties.  because that makes sense.

A question that bothers me is whether or not the administration is Running this server in a Truly philantrophious manner. The way in which they deal their donations is a little shady. Prove the sceptics wrong and provide financial transparancy.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Mamba

[Ellipsea 36]

4 minutes ago, Mamba said:

A question that bothers me is whether or not the administration is Running this server in a Truly philantrophious manner. The way in which they deal their donations is a little shady. Prove the sceptics wrong and provide financial transparancy.

There's not much choice in the donation cycle.  Um I don't know how they could affect transparency as the funds go directly to the provider, not staff.  Not sure.  maybe there's a way, I don't know much about this.  There is a reason why it's set up this way, they need to not handle money donated for the server.

[Wirt 8]

3 hours ago, Ellipsea said:

There's not much choice in the donation cycle.  Um I don't know how they could affect transparency as the funds go directly to the provider, not staff.  Not sure.  maybe there's a way, I don't know much about this.  There is a reason why it's set up this way, they need to not handle money donated for the server.

They also have the alternative to directly donate into a PayPal account. Everyone donating isn't donating to the servers as they have to pay an entire month's cost to do so. Proof for it here: http://i.imgur.com/VONoK5c.png

3 hours ago, Velenx said:

Elysium asking for donations is mind-boggling. Remember when they asked for money on 13 December? The next day they reported they had been donated to probably more than $2,700! (13 December Financial Report: http://i.imgur.com/SspSuDH.png and the update: http://i.imgur.com/VONoK5c.png) Then they reopened donations on 10 January. Despite this they still started crying for money on 1 February. This is the reason why I've been asking them to provide us with evidence on how they're handling donations. As for now I'm fearing what happened with Scapegaming is happening here. It turned out Scapegaming had hoarded more than $3 million in a PayPal account: http://www.geek.com/games/blizzard-wins-88-million-from-scapegaming-over-illegal-wow-servers-1277800/

I just realized they have conflicting reports about the PvE server. On 13 December they said servers cost 620€, 310€ each (they only had 2 servers at that point). And on 14 December they say the PvE server costs 160€. That means they were either donated $1,965 or $2,700 within a day. We should also take into account that they claim to be contributing with 900€ a month themselves: https://elysium-project.org/news/financial-report?page=3

[Katozx321 0]

Dude chill out you are proving nothing, their are multiple posts saying that if you dontate via paypal it can be directed to your server or other misc server costs and the instructed you to leave your server name in the note section. so yoru first picture is just a non updated website.  secondly they changed hosting servers as well ass DDOS protection etc. Do your bills never change in price?

[Wirt 8]

1 hour ago, Azphyxiation said:

Dude chill out you are proving nothing, their are multiple posts saying that if you dontate via paypal it can be directed to your server or other misc server costs and the instructed you to leave your server name in the note section. so yoru first picture is just a non updated website.  secondly they changed hosting servers as well ass DDOS protection etc. Do your bills never change in price?

The point is that they confirmed themselves that they raised a huge amount, $1,965 or $2,700, in a single day. They reopened PayPal for donations on 10 January and on 1 February they wanted more money. One would assume they'd atleast raise the required amount for all servers during that time considering their previous success. Another private WoW project had 427,000 registered users and it turned out they had hoarded $3 million in a PayPal account. I'd assume this project has atleast 100,000 registered users. It's basic mathematics really.

[Ellipsea 36]

Would you guys stop?  Honestly what's wrong with you?  Moving from one conspiracy theory to the next in an attempt to whip up a shitstorm.  Go read a book, take a fucking walk, call your mom or something.  FFS you won't be happy until you can righteously create some damage via intrigue.

[Mamba 2]

9 minutes ago, Ellipsea said:

Would you guys stop?  Honestly what's wrong with you?  Moving from one conspiracy theory to the next in an attempt to whip up a shitstorm.  Go read a book, take a fucking walk, call your mom or something.  FFS you won't be happy until you can righteously create some damage via intrigue.

If they are clean, they should be able to prove the critics wrong. I don't see how this has become a drama in the first place. Yes People have expressed themselves in disrespectful manners. Both sides have.. and now it's become a complete mess.

Creating a post with the title financial transparancy in which you do not provide any real evidence but instead lose control and fuel the flamegame simply feeds the People who are in it for the drama and you undermine your own trustworthiness. 

I appoligize if my posts are disrespectful but i am simply trying to inquire into the matter in a way so that all conspiracy surrounding the financial state of the project get dealt with in a proper manner.

[Ellipsea 36]

This new little conspiracy was just created in this thread.  Like y'all sitting around mulling over some new way to trash staff.   Shenna already said there's little activity in the paypal donations.  Don't believe her, that's your decision for whatever reason. And after she posts more information to your satisfaction, someone would manufacture some other new conspiracy and never fucking stop.

[Mamba 2]

7 minutes ago, Ellipsea said:

This new little conspiracy was just created in this thread.  Like y'all sitting around mulling over some new way to trash staff.   Shenna already said there's little activity in the paypal donations.  Don't believe her, that's your decision for whatever reason. And after she posts more information to your satisfaction, someone would manufacture some other new conspiracy and never fucking stop.

You are trivializing the issue at hand. 

I honestly do not Care whether shenna or any staff member monetizes on the project. I played on feenix for years. The fact that they monetized on it didnt bother me. What made me quit was their disrespect toward it's community, blatant lies and shady activities. Recent events make me believe it to be similar here..

Hence i would like hard proof of them being as altruistic as they claim to be.

[Katozx321 0]

2 hours ago, Wirt said:

The point is that they confirmed themselves that they raised a huge amount, $1,965 or $2,700, in a single day. They reopened PayPal for donations on 10 January and on 1 February they wanted more money. One would assume they'd atleast raise the required amount for all servers during that time considering their previous success. Another private WoW project had 427,000 registered users and it turned out they had hoarded $3 million in a PayPal account. I'd assume this project has atleast 100,000 registered users. It's basic mathematics really.

Why do you care where someone elses donated money goes? lol If the people donating feel its worht it and feel its just and sound they can donate. I have donated every 2 weeks for past 2 months. But thanks for trying to protect us all mr keyboard hero.

[Zargoth 3]

I have a solution to this drama queen crap.

Ban everybody who has contributed to the drama and unban only those who can provide absolute proof (documents, screen shots, etc.) that they were not trying to harm the community and/or Elysium-Project.

I suspect every one of them to have ulterior motives. They are even more shady individuals than the ones they are trying to defame. I will continue to believe this until they can prove me wrong.

[Zargoth 3]

9 minutes ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

Considering what "EVIDENCE" (note the lack of the term proof.) we do have is palmed off as "fabricated lies" (including the screenshots currently in circulation) that obviously doesn't matter 

That's my point. We would be rid of you drama queens forever! Go find something productive to do.

[Pyrognome 3]

@wukuqi make a thread in the ban appeal forum. That's the wrong topic here.

 

@Zargoth not everything what people post is drama. You call everything a drama what is not your oppinion. But when the Elysium team take drama to public it should be allowed to discuss about it. Some people just try to help Elysium to get the trust of the comunity back. Not everyone see things through rose-tainted spectacles. I personally wonder what happen with all our donations. Isn't it a fair claim to see some proofs about the amount of money what was donated to the PayPal account? After all Vitaly is under suspicion to make money with the server. Who can say if our donations are handled legit after all?

[Trumpnado 28]

this is fake news! I think the players want to focus on the real issues of night elf lowbies ramapging into the eastern kingdoms, some as low as level 2, to run into dun morogh and elwynn and steal our quest mobs and experience, and slow down the whole alliance because they can't figure out how to level on their own continent

@RealTrumpnado

[TTL 6]

On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 4:43 AM, Stondus said:

Basically, this. He has nooooo clue, OR interest to find it out, that it has allways been this way.

Feds have done it several times (mitchik, anyone), Big security companies do it (Remember back at 80-90's when the swedish kid hacked the FBI? Got a "do-not-come-here-or-else" - statement from US gov, AND a well-payed job as a security consult in France, who's job IS to hack into systems.).  It just is & allways has been, that in IT the bad guys just ARE better then good guys on what they do. (On what they do, as in the best at hacking THAT particular thing etc etc)

 

Alex just wants fucking drama & more clicks in Twitter/Youtube, and his 15 more minutes of fame.

Alex: Feel free to ban me anytime m8. You were a Torch Carrier at some point, yesterday you just became the ultimate "DramaQueen of 2017".

Quite an achi, considering it's just Febuary...

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/MrGmReviews/status/832239282119200771

 

 

Doubt it, think he's just retarded. He literally instant blocks everyone on twitter that posts a negative comment against him. Fascism in the 21st century.

[Stondus 1]

8 hours ago, TheHappyCatsTail said:

No criticism is clearly bad and evil eww criticism lol. Y'all just want to watch Elysium burn to the ground with your nay saying! Hurr durr anything negative is "stirring drama! And y'all just "alexcucsual" trolls hurr durr. 

-this idiotic community. 

Well my friend, since everyone before me has failed on trying to get anything through that thick skull of yours (no offence, but your message history? *geesh*...), I thought I'll take a shot too.

Definition of Critisism(main article): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism

The kinda critisism that actually goes somewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#Good

Alexensuals, and most loud ppl's critisism here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism#Lousy

 

And tbh, yours too has more bullseyes from the second category (lousy) then first one. You're not bad compared to Alex though, 'cause if you compare all his "critisism" ever since from the day one of this shitstorm, it has 8/9 hits to the lousy category, and 0/7 to good.