The Devilsaur monopoly.

[Kajjan 3]

There's obviously a monopoly when it comes to the devilsaur farming in Un'goro where Hordes and Alliance collude to clear the spawns from anyone else and then completely overpricing it on the auction house. Is this allowed? 

For example, i went to a spawnpoint where there were 2 other hordes. An alli shows up and tries to kill me but i had the upper hand and was about to kill him when one of the other hordies who havn't done anything but watch up to this point, starts polymorph-spamming the alliance guy in order to heal him up. Ending up with me dying and them not trying to kill eachother at all.  Mage name: Dimu, alli named: Phx. Time: about 17:30 cet (8mars) (Elysium pvp)

Another example, i stand around waiting for spawn with other hordes. I get the tag and kill it. The other hordes try to camp the corpse to steal skin. I tell them that i wont loot the corpse before they're gone. One of the other hordies (who are obviously grouped up with the other hordes) starts verbally harassing me because of it. After half a minute an alliance groups shows up just to kill me. They totally ignore the others and the others ignore them. (already reported in a ticket)

Is this allowed? Because this crap has been going on since the beginning of Elysium PVP.
I get how trying to group farming this is okay, but working with the other faction to get a monopoly going...

Edited March 8, 2017 by Kajjan

[metagame 8]

There is nothing stopping you from finding 2-3 people to help you kill them.

What do you think is fair? If someone spends their time befriending and forging alliances on the server spanning multiple guilds in both factions, why should the GMs step in and intervene?

Are you for some reason unable to do the same thing?

[Kajjan 3]

It breaks the entire point of the game. There are 2 factions on a pvp realm. You're basically colluding with the other team to grief your own team. Does that make sense to you?
If you could talk to them ingame, i guess i would see the point. But you can't, and that's for a reason. 

I don't mind you making friends with people from the other faction, i just don't think abusing that to grief your own team's members should be allowed.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Kajjan

[Hurricane2 2]

31 minutes ago, metagame said:

There is nothing stopping you from finding 2-3 people to help you kill them.

What do you think is fair? If someone spends their time befriending and forging alliances on the server spanning multiple guilds in both factions, why should the GMs step in and intervene?

Are you for some reason unable to do the same thing?

Spending time to do something that was clearly not intended to occur is exactly when GMs should intervene.

[homu2 1]

just stop playing here

gms would do nothing because  this whole thing is part of gold selling mechanic and some of them get prophit from it

[Shiamorah 20]

Quote

 

I'm locking this thread because it wasn't a productive one in the first place.

Since so many posters are questioning why it is allowed, here are few reasons:

1) We cannot monitor or police how people communicate outside the game.

2) We prefer all of our rules to be as universal and general as possible.

3) We do not have the staff to monitor a single zone 24/7.

4) Whether a player has to pay X gold or Y gold for two items that, while very good, are not absolutely required to progress, is irrelevant.

5) There exists a player-based solution to a player-created "problem", in fact two of them. You can "steal" leather from them if you're a good enough rogue or you can form your own groups and take the Crater by force.

Finally, please stop posting obvious panic mongering crap. Nobody will leave the server and throw their level 60 away because of this.

 

Quote from Pottu: https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/40577-elysium-pvp-devilsaur-leather-at-2750g-per-piece-cornered-market-mafia/?page=2

 

[Kajjan 3]

What an incredibly non constructive post Shiamorah

"Finally, please stop posting obvious panic mongering crap. Nobody will leave the server and throw their level 60 away because of this."

-No one ever talked about throwing away their character.. What are you on about?

1) We cannot monitor or police how people communicate outside the game.
-Well ofcourse not, and no one has ever made that claim. You can however look at whats happening in the game. It doesn't take much to make out what's going on.

3) We do not have the staff to monitor a single zone 24/7.
-Again, no-one ever mad this claim. 

Thanks for the link though.
 

Edited March 8, 2017 by Kajjan

[Hurricane2 2]

Just because the admins don't have the time and resources to stop them doesn't mean they condone it.  

[Shiamorah 20]

2 minutes ago, Kajjan said:

What an incredibly non constructive post Shiamorah

"Finally, please stop posting obvious panic mongering crap. Nobody will leave the server and throw their level 60 away because of this."

No one ever talked about throwing away their character.. What are you on about?
 

I'm sorry, that was a quote referring to a different thread, as I put in the post. It doesn't refer to anything going on here. But it is the staff response to the "Devilsaur Monopoly".

[Zil 0]

This thread has been done to death.

You can easily find the GMs official response to this all over this forum and reddit. Their stance is not changing anytime soon.

Either put your own group together to compete or suck it up buttercup.

[Kajjan 3]

17 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Quote from Pottu: https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/40577-elysium-pvp-devilsaur-leather-at-2750g-per-piece-cornered-market-mafia/?page=2

 

I now realize the entire thing was a quote from that thread and apologize. I do however don't think it applies as an excuse for why this is allowed.

[Kajjan 3]

3 minutes ago, Zil said:

This thread has been done to death.

You can easily find the GMs official response to this all over this forum and reddit. Their stance is not changing anytime soon.

Either put your own group together to compete or suck it up buttercup.

And i expect people will continuesly post new threads about it until it's solved(forever).

[Zil 0]

2 minutes ago, Kajjan said:

And i expect people will continuesly post new threads about it until it's solved(forever).

It won't change. It's just a vocal minority. What goes on in Un'Goro crater only affects a tiny portion of the servers population. The general populace doesn't care. 

[Myllz 8]

4 minutes ago, Kajjan said:

And i expect people will continuesly post new threads about it until it's solved(forever).

There's no problem that needs to be solved.  There's nothing saying you can't help the opposing faction.

[Destron 2]

There is an in-game solution to the problem. Sure it sucks but it's a pretty minor aspect. 

[Hurricane2 2]

9 minutes ago, Myllz said:

There's no problem that needs to be solved.  There's nothing saying you can't help the opposing faction.

It's clearly not intended to communicate with the opposing faction with the way Blizzard set the game up.  Common sense would dictate that the cross faction communication in these examples is not supposed to happen.  Just because you can easily break the rules doesn't mean you should.

[Myllz 8]

Just now, Hurricane2 said:

It's clearly not intended to communicate with the opposing faction with the way Blizzard set the game up.  Common sense would dictate that the cross faction communication in these examples is not supposed to happen.  Just because you can easily break the rules doesn't mean you should.

They're not communicating in-game.  Factions have always been able to talk to and communicate with each other on the forums and other areas, including on retail.

[Hurricane2 2]

4 minutes ago, Myllz said:

They're not communicating in-game.  Factions have always been able to talk to and communicate with each other on the forums and other areas, including on retail.

The fact they can't communicate in game is my point and Blizzard's point exactly.  Again being able to do it doesn't mean you should.

[Myllz 8]

Just now, Hurricane2 said:

The fact they can't communicate in game is my point and Blizzard's point exactly.  Again being able to do it doesn't mean you should.

What?  Again, they're not communicating in any fashion that wasn't allowed or intended on retail, so there's nothing to fix.

[Zil 0]

WTS Devilsaur Leather - Horde side, pst!

[metagame 8]

Historically on retail and Nost there has never been a rule against making a character on another faction. I know plenty of people who play and have played on both.

The following two things are facts:

1. There is no rule against playing on both factions on a server.
2. There is no rule against, nor is there any way for anyone to prevent, communication between people in the internet.

It follows that it is not consistent with the rules of the game, nor is it even possible, to enforce a rule against this behavior. The fact that you can, with no barrier to entry, form a group of people to compete with the incumbent farming party is yet another reason for GMs to have no reason to intervene in this behavior.

[Hurricane2 2]

11 minutes ago, Myllz said:

What?  Again, they're not communicating in any fashion that wasn't allowed or intended on retail, so there's nothing to fix.

The game was designed for it not to be allowed.  

[Hurricane2 2]

9 minutes ago, metagame said:

Historically on retail and Nost there has never been a rule against making a character on another faction. I know plenty of people who play and have played on both.

The following two things are facts:

1. There is no rule against playing on both factions on a server.
2. There is no rule against, nor is there any way for anyone to prevent, communication between people in the internet.

1.  This was not allowed in retail.

2.  In retail and here you cannot communicate with the opposing faction.  Just because you can easily circumvent something that was not intended doesn't mean it's allowed.

[Myllz 8]

5 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

1.  This was not allowed in retail.

2.  In retail and here you cannot communicate with the opposing faction.  Just because you can easily circumvent something that was not intended doesn't mean it's allowed.

It wasn't allowed on the same account, but it was allowed if you had two accounts.  Plenty of people did it, there was no rule against having multiple accounts for this very reason.

The second one you keep repeating without any substance.  Explain how they're circumventing the communication.  Forums and cross-faction communication have existed since the game launched in 2004.

[Fladrif 14]

The problem is: if there's a monopoly on an item and they keep the price at 25g, they can sell 100g for $17 by trading 4 items. None will catch them.

The bad stuff is: wPvP is ruined because unlike every other zones my allies won't support me in the fight against the horde.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Fladrif