Elysium -> Zeth'kur Transfers

[Jellydonut 2]

This needs to happen.  The population and trend in population on Zeth'kur are now getting to a critical (low) point, and the population on Elysium has always been too high.

Please open limited transfers (first ~1500-2000 accounts) from Elysium to Zeth'kur.  This will balance out the populations and ensure and enhance the playability and long-range viability of both realms.

If this does not happen, then eventually some less-attractive option (read: merger) will, and in the meantime both realms will continue to suffer with their problems from opposite ends of the spectrum.

Thank you for all your efforts on this project!

[Reddakh 4]

Greetings.

Just look at the current population of both servers as of 11/03,Saturday,10pm.

Why transfers?

• Providing numerous guilds to strengthen Zeth'Kur in terms of server firsts competition,tighten,yes,tighten the community with more and more serious players
• Doing a favor to Elysium's community.After all,we're all settled under a single community,right? Every server playerbase should have their highly demanded requests being considered in order to make Elysium as a project grow and grow.
• Sustainability & prolonging server's lifetime is neccessary.Zeth'Kur was initially released because of the surreal queues on Elysium.Was this a request from the community? - Yes. Did it turn out to be successfull? - Yes. Zeth'Kur,from the best server out there,with a 5000-6000 population at peak times,to a declared "dad" server in within 2 months is just ridiculous.What caused this I am not going to mention because we are all informed,atleast partially.
• However,potential transfers could just balance both servers pop and have 2 healthy non-dying servers on and running instead of having 2 communities,one arguing Elysium is overcrowded,one arguing Zeth'Kur is underpopulated,or Blizzlike populated rofl.

 Why Merge?

• Domination on private server scene with 8,5 - 9,5k population in the next 2-3 years.No,Crestfall's release will not be a potential competition.
• Allowing players to stay here in the long haul because if you look at the timeline and think wider,you'll see that we'll become incredibly bored with MC/ONY farms until August.Population might go UP and DOWN several times(if these two servers don't merge) until BWL releases.But until BWL only.Where is AQ?  Where is Naxxramas? Aren't we actually playing Vanilla to experience it as a whole? There hasn't been a project except Feenix and recently Vanillagaming that managed to push until Naxxramas.I am concerned & truly afraid that not one of these two servers will push up to that patch because of people (and GM's) creating various dramas,CONSTANTLY.
• Merging these two identical servers,with identical timeline & patch going on,will not only unite the whole Community into one,but simply,there will be NO space for flaming and bashing between each other.
• I mean,the playerbase of Zeth'Kur is clearly starting to show it's discomfort with the fact their server is sinking rapidly every week (still in a good state tho). There are still players of the type : "2,5k is blizzlike" , a week later : "1,5k is blizzlike" , a month later : "1k is blizzlike".Not to be rude but,even they will sooner or later,realize that the situation is not just being BLIZZLIKE all the time,because even 200 is blizzlike,if we stick with that mindset.
• Guild competition will never BE stronger & I believe that,with this feautre being implemented,no other Vanilla server will be able to provide,not until official Legacy servers whose ETA is similiar to Corecrafts release date.

Best Regards;
Reddakh

 

[Nelythia 44]

Zeth'kur has enough population.

 

I doubt they'll merge or allow transfers.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nelythia

[Reddakh 4]

14 minutes ago, Nelythia said:

 

Zeth'kur has enough population.

 

 

You may be right,but you are not,and you know it...

[Nelythia 44]

It's a fact that ZK has enough population.

Just like darrowshire.

 

Retail vanilla max cap on a server was 2.5k.

Medium servers had between 1k and 1.5k

 

Still vanilla was very playable back then, theres no need for 3k+ populated servers.

Even though I can see a benefit as long as it doesn't get to much like 6k+ or so

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nelythia

[Reddakh 4]

We're under one community,it would be pretty damn absurd if things continue to run with this flow,it is most likely Zeth'Kur's going to be nearly at the edge of being declared as GG WP server.Do not allow this.Please.

[Undertanker 88]

5 hours ago, Reddakh said:

"Allowing players to stay here in the long haul because if you look at the timeline and think wider,you'll see that we'll become incredibly bored with MC/ONY farms until August."

 

100's of people posted on the forums telling all the OMG fresh start,"I'm gonna be the first something something"/ #Can'tCatchUp; people the lack of content WILL be an issue.   You chose fresh start servers with these expectations laid before you.

Only 6 more months of MC.  :)   Enjoy.....

[judgejewdy 0]

anethema is the new fresh realm with the release of a fresh raid instance of aq

[Jellydonut 2]

12 hours ago, Nelythia said:

Zeth'kur has enough population.

 

I doubt they'll merge or allow transfers.

Zeth currently MAXES at about 2k, and this is ONLY during peak European hours. Weekday evenings in US time zones it's barely at 1k.  That's not "enough population".

And, keep in mind this is roughly 50/50 split horde/alliance, so we're talking 500 players per faction. On Darrowshire, the split is more like 65/35, so even though it's total pop is only slightly higher, on alliance side at least the net effect is much greater (horde pop on Darrowshire, not surprisingly, continues to drop).

You can continue to live in la- la land if you like, but unless something is done soon the trend will continue to the point that keeping Zeth running will no longer be viable, and then whoever is left is going to get crammed into Elysium. Most of the people who went to Zeth did so in order to avoid exactly that kind of circumstance. 

[Mimma 10]

15 hours ago, Jellydonut said:

The population and trend in population on Zeth'kur are now getting to a critical (low) point

 

I call bullshit!

 

[Jellydonut 2]

10 hours ago, Mimma said:

 

I call bullshit!

 

Ok. Check realm status any weekday between 8 pm and 12 am US EST to PST and tell me what you see.  I already said it maxes at about 2k (weekdays) during peak European hours, but that happens to be the middle of the day for most of the US. Anybody with a finger and half a brain can see the obvious by checking realm status at various times. 

[Mimma 10]

2200 people online is not "critically low". It is more than many other private servers have at peak hours.

Edited March 13, 2017 by Mimma

[Jellydonut 2]

3 hours ago, Mimma said:

2200 people online is not "critically low". It is more than many other private servers have at peak hours.

I assume you're referring to the screenshot by a prior poster?  That was on a SATURDAY AT 10 PM. *Derp* yea the population is going to be high then.

You can't take one moment in time and treat it as representative of all times. AGAIN, check the status any weekday when it's evening in the US and you'll see the pop at ~1k. I'm not going to do the monkey work for you. This post is intended for the admins anyway and they know better than anyone what the poplulation and trends are. 

Edited March 13, 2017 by Jellydonut

[Beasty 6]

Low population during off peak hours is getting lower.  Yesterday, it got down below 800 online for the first time I've noticed.  In the past, 1000-1200 has been average during off peak hours.

[Umena 0]

On 11/3/2017 at 10:49 PM, Nelythia said:

Zeth'kur has enough population.

 

No

[Umena 0]

On 11/3/2017 at 10:27 PM, Reddakh said:

Greetings.

Just look at the current population of both servers as of 11/03,Saturday,10pm.

Why transfers?

• Providing numerous guilds to strengthen Zeth'Kur in terms of server firsts competition,tighten,yes,tighten the community with more and more serious players
• Doing a favor to Elysium's community.After all,we're all settled under a single community,right? Every server playerbase should have their highly demanded requests being considered in order to make Elysium as a project grow and grow.
• Sustainability & prolonging server's lifetime is neccessary.Zeth'Kur was initially released because of the surreal queues on Elysium.Was this a request from the community? - Yes. Did it turn out to be successfull? - Yes. Zeth'Kur,from the best server out there,with a 5000-6000 population at peak times,to a declared "dad" server in within 2 months is just ridiculous.What caused this I am not going to mention because we are all informed,atleast partially.
• However,potential transfers could just balance both servers pop and have 2 healthy non-dying servers on and running instead of having 2 communities,one arguing Elysium is overcrowded,one arguing Zeth'Kur is underpopulated,or Blizzlike populated rofl.

 Why Merge?

• Domination on private server scene with 8,5 - 9,5k population in the next 2-3 years.No,Crestfall's release will not be a potential competition.
• Allowing players to stay here in the long haul because if you look at the timeline and think wider,you'll see that we'll become incredibly bored with MC/ONY farms until August.Population might go UP and DOWN several times(if these two servers don't merge) until BWL releases.But until BWL only.Where is AQ?  Where is Naxxramas? Aren't we actually playing Vanilla to experience it as a whole? There hasn't been a project except Feenix and recently Vanillagaming that managed to push until Naxxramas.I am concerned & truly afraid that not one of these two servers will push up to that patch because of people (and GM's) creating various dramas,CONSTANTLY.
• Merging these two identical servers,with identical timeline & patch going on,will not only unite the whole Community into one,but simply,there will be NO space for flaming and bashing between each other.
• I mean,the playerbase of Zeth'Kur is clearly starting to show it's discomfort with the fact their server is sinking rapidly every week (still in a good state tho). There are still players of the type : "2,5k is blizzlike" , a week later : "1,5k is blizzlike" , a month later : "1k is blizzlike".Not to be rude but,even they will sooner or later,realize that the situation is not just being BLIZZLIKE all the time,because even 200 is blizzlike,if we stick with that mindset.
• Guild competition will never BE stronger & I believe that,with this feautre being implemented,no other Vanilla server will be able to provide,not until official Legacy servers whose ETA is similiar to Corecrafts release date.

Best Regards;
Reddakh

 

+1

[Jellydonut 2]

2 hours ago, Beasty said:

Low population during off peak hours is getting lower.  Yesterday, it got down below 800 online for the first time I've noticed.  In the past, 1000-1200 has been average during off peak hours.

"Off peak hours" for whom?  When exactly?  These servers are essentially international, so "off peak" for one place is going to be "peak" for another.  Would you be happy about having a population of 800 during your "peak" time? Of course not.

The general point is that the populations on Zeth'kur and Elysium are getting extreme in opposite respects. There are basically three options - 1) do nothing (which, in my opinion, will eventually lead to the disappearance of Zeth in one fashion or another), 2) merge the servers (which would result in an even worse overcrowding problem than exists on Elysium now), or 3) allow transfers to balance things out a bit and alleviate the problems of both servers.

I challenge anyone to argue that no. 3 isn't the most reasonable and best option. 

[Hurricane2 2]

6 hours ago, Jellydonut said:

"Off peak hours" for whom?  When exactly?  These servers are essentially international, so "off peak" for one place is going to be "peak" for another.  Would you be happy about having a population of 800 during your "peak" time? Of course not.

The general point is that the populations on Zeth'kur and Elysium are getting extreme in opposite respects. There are basically three options - 1) do nothing (which, in my opinion, will eventually lead to the disappearance of Zeth in one fashion or another), 2) merge the servers (which would result in an even worse overcrowding problem than exists on Elysium now), or 3) allow transfers to balance things out a bit and alleviate the problems of both servers.

I challenge anyone to argue that no. 3 isn't the most reasonable and best option. 

Sure, I'll show you why that option doesn't work for most people.  I want more people on Elysium for PvP so that would be a bad thing.  If you want PvP, Elysium isn't overcrowded at all and could use more people since the population has dropped quite a bit since a month ago.  Right now we have a choice in what kind of population we want.  You want to equalize them which would eliminate that choice.

[Fladrif 14]

7 hours ago, Jellydonut said:

[...]3) allow transfers to balance things out a bit and alleviate the problems of both servers.

I challenge anyone to argue that no. 3 isn't the most reasonable and best option. 

Challenge accepted.

I have a level 45 char on Elysium and a level 42 char on Zeth'Kur.  Currently playing with both.

Zeth'Kur has population problems that show up when you want to play a below60 BG and when you want to run a dungeon. And Elysium is perfectly fine: it doesn't feel overly-populated at all. This is just a myth born out the early 2hrs queue days.

As a consequence, I won't transfer from a perfect server to Zeth'Kur. And if most people think the same, the transfer option won't work... unless you cap Elysium at 5k to force people to transfer.

[Jellydonut 2]

Both of the above arguments are flawed in that they look at the situation from the limited perspective of ONE player (the poster) and make assumptions about what other people want and/or do. 

Now, TRY to look at the situation broadly. Let's say transfers are opened and ~1000 accounts go from Elysium to Zeth. Is losing that 1k players going to make a huge impact on the rest that stay on Elysium? No. But it does benefit the 1k people who get to choose what THEY want and move to a less crowded realm. Likewise, everybody on Zeth benefits from the bump in population. 

Or maybe, maybe, transfers are opened and nobody or very few people exercise that option. Guess what? No harm done.  The servers can still be merged at some point if admin decides that needs to happen. It's always best to exercise the option that leaves you with more future options than the one that leaves you with less. 

Edited March 14, 2017 by Jellydonut

[Hurricane2 2]

The people that want to play on Zeth'Kur are already there. Some people on zeth want to go to Elysium because zeth used to have more people.  You keep saying 'choice' and saying people want to go from ely to zeth when it's the other way around.  They are not going to allow transfers either way but a merge is a possibility down the road.

 

[Reddakh 4]

The instability Elysium as a project is encountering recently will most likely result with a complete merge as more and more competitive servers are approaching.

Mark my words. :)

[killerduki 54]

This was my Suggestion when they announced the opening of 4th server :

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/31392-dont-open-4th-server/

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

[Reddakh 4]

4 minutes ago, killerduki said:

 

This was my Suggestion when they announced the opening of 4th server :

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/31392-dont-open-4th-server/

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

@Pottu needs to re-open the topic :)

[killerduki 54]

On 11.3.2017 at 11:05 PM, Nelythia said:

It's a fact that ZK has enough population.

Just like darrowshire.

 

Retail vanilla max cap on a server was 2.5k.

Medium servers had between 1k and 1.5k

 

Still vanilla was very playable back then, theres no need for 3k+ populated servers.

Even though I can see a benefit as long as it doesn't get to much like 6k+ or so

Don't get me wrong , but i welcome you to create Casual and Social Guild in underpopulated Server today with Min/Max mindset.

Back in the days the community was not sort of Min/Max and was more Adventure oriented .

Today the community is less likely Adventure which lead the server inactivity and less likely "Blizzlike" .

That been said (sorry my bad English gramar) , "Inactivity" in server leads to more bored folks leaving the server faster than you could expect.

With activity variate during non peak 6k and peak 8-10k, the Server feel more alive and better place to play today unlike in past.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Edited March 14, 2017 by killerduki