So, let's talk about the population diminishing

[Guest]

6 минут назад, StarecaseXD сказал:

People in my guild are impatient!!!!

 

[Forest_ 40]

People aren't impatient, they're worried, we've been farming MC/BWL for over a year. 

We don't want this to turn into an ED situation where there is only BWL open as the highest raid tier for 3 years, that is what people are afraid of.

[Guest]

18 минут назад, Forest_ сказал:

they're worried, we've been farming MC/BWL for over a year. 

Now I AM worried about your guild. Are you sane?

[Ickus 40]

They just need to say something about it. The entire situation has been handled poorly and the server pop is dropping weekly. 

[indi 10]

12 minutes ago, Ickus said:

They just need to say something about it. The entire situation has been handled poorly and the server pop is dropping weekly. 

Shenna did, but her response clearly showed she personally doesn't understand the situation on Zeth. To her best knowledge (not going to lump the entire staff in because both Jakira and Hamblin have been quite sympathetic to our situation) everything is hunky dory on Zeth'Kur, including both the PvE and PvP scene despite guilds literally rerolling en masse or quitting the project in general while the PvP scene has basically collapsed on our server because of the brackets shrinking to the point where there is only one bracket 1 spot.

Neither of these situations are "healthy" for the server and are contributing to the death spiral we've seen occur. I'm more worried that by the time the team does realize a merge is in fact necessary far too many people will have quit.

Edited March 23, 2017 by indi

[JCatEly 0]

This is just stupid.

Before the Pserver population exploded 3k at peak time was amazing for a blizz-like x1 rates realm of any expansion, average being like 500-700 on each faction and the server was in a healthy state. Whining about a population hitting 1,200 with a 50/50 H/A ratio (as Zeth'kur has) is extremely ignorant to the reality of what a healthy WoW population is.
And Elysium has had 7k+ players online today (Thursday) with a H/A ratio of 50/50 (more or less) so what exactly are you bitching about? That you can actually complete a drop quest without having to compete with 200 others players at the same time? Poor baby. 
Furthermore, Zeth'kur provides the same content/patching as Elysium without the bloated population which is what some people prefer. 

Now that the quality of these servers have increased, drastically, and are attracting thousands of players you new guys want to freak out every time the population drops. Most people aren't going to stick around and play this game non-stop all year long. It's unrealistic to think the population of any realm will remain a static number after the current content gets old; noting that the population will again spike as new content is released. 

Here's a TLDR link to all the population/ratio/zone stats you'll ever need for Elysium: http://vanillaradar.com/elysium-stats/elysium/

Now shut up already.

 

[Ickus 40]

Personally I'm just complaining about total lack of content and 0 clarification but people can complain about whatever especially when it's justified as it is in many cases here. And I'd agree with the person two posts above that shenna doesn't understand the situation on Anathema or zk. 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Ickus

[indi 10]

35 minutes ago, JCatEly said:

 

How about you read posts from people who actually play on Zeth'Kur before hamfisting your own opinion as to the servers status? Just because there are 1,200 online doesn't mean the server itself is healthy nor stable, just a few weeks ago we had 3k average, you call that turnover healthy?

Dismissing the current situation like nothing is wrong on our server is what got is here in the first place. What will you say when we average 800 people, that everything is fine because you can find one UBRS run in two hours?

[Imbaslap 14]

save pupper pals.

[Jellydonut 2]

26 minutes ago, JCatEly said:

This is just stupid. 
Here's a TLDR link to all the population/ratio/zone stats you'll ever need for Elysium: http://vanillaradar.com/elysium-stats/elysium/

Now shut up already.

 

You are both blind and stupid.

Look at the graph for Elysium. Now look at the graph for Zeth'kur. Notice any differences?  For the entire month of March Elysium has had an average pop of about 6k. Compare with Zeth, where over the same timeframe average pop has dropped from 2k to 1k (that's HALF the population), with peaks going from 3k to not even 2k, AND IT CONTINUES TO DROP.

And stop feeding us this [insert given situation] is "blizzlike" crap. This isn't Blizzard, the servers aren't retail - it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the dynamics within this community. Clearly there are problems with the population on certain realms that need to be addressed. 

[Ickus 40]

Here's what I think we all can agree on. Anathema needs an updated war effort and people on ZK want a merge. Now let's all hug it out and #freethewareffort

#liberateZK

Edited March 23, 2017 by Ickus

[Guest]

4 часа назад, Ickus сказал:

#liberateZK

Edited March 24, 2017 by Jorn Skyseer

[Ickus 40]

Just now, Jorn Skyseer said:

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060903.jpg

So perfect

[Dralek 5]

6 hours ago, Ickus said:

So you're suggesting the server that everyone is dying for AQ just halt progesssion? And you're totally wrong about people progressing through BWL on Anathema. Basically every raiding guild clears bwl with little problem each week. Do you play on Anametha because you're description of the player base is really really off.

I do play on anathema, otherwise I wouldn't bother commenting on its issues. And no, I'm not wrong. The very guilds you describe are the ones that quit playing in mss in the past month, not the "semi-casual hypers" who still have plenty to do. Each day less and less raiders log in to afk at IF/OG.

While opening AQ might help bring some people back, the amount of people that re-start playing can't be calculated.

I understand that what I suggest is crazy and seems to go against the requirements of both communities, and wouldn't be well recieved, but the zek'thur merge is just a suggestion to handle the 2 problematic realms whose population has dwindled. It is a matter of long term stability over immediate satisfaction. Its an idea for long term survival, nothing more.

Eventually, in every private server, mergers are necessary. The sooner, the better.

In anathema the peak last week was 6k players online, this week the average is around 4k-5k. Leveling zones are empty. Instanced PvP is a disaster, with only 1 or 2 bgs up (usually AB and WSG) being farmed by premades, with AV having 5 people only. So whatever needs to be done, should be done soon.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Dralek

[Guest]

14 минуты назад, Dralek сказал:

Each day less and less raiders log in to afk at IF/OG.

Raiders dying from old age. Nothing new. Life is life.

Shame they didn't die on battlefield.

Edited March 23, 2017 by Jorn Skyseer

[StarecaseXD 0]

31 minutes ago, Dralek said:

I do play on anathema, otherwise I wouldn't bother commenting on its issues. And no, I'm not wrong. The very guilds you describe are the ones that quit playing in mss in the past month, not the "semi-casual hypers" who still have plenty to do. Each day less and less raiders log in to afk at IF/OG.

While opening AQ might help bring some people back, the amount of people that re-start playing can't be calculated.

The argument isn't that AQ will bring a flood of players, rather that it will give an already diminished raiding population incentive to play on Anathema.

@Jorn Skyseer Keeping 40+ people enthusiastic about raiding isn't possible w/ large content droughts, so yes, I am impatient. The dev team said the event could be completed within a day if everyone turned in their materials and here we are 2 and a half weeks later and some materials still haven't left the single digits percentage wise.

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, Dralek said:

I do play on anathema, otherwise I wouldn't bother commenting on its issues. And no, I'm not wrong. The very guilds you describe are the ones that quit playing in mss in the past month, not the "semi-casual hypers" who still have plenty to do. Each day less and less raiders log in to afk at IF/OG.

While opening AQ might help bring some people back, the amount of people that re-start playing can't be calculated.

I understand that what I suggest is crazy and seems to go against the requirements of both communities, and wouldn't be well recieved, but the zek'thur merge is just a suggestion to handle the 2 problematic realms whose population has dwindled. It is a matter of long term stability over immediate satisfaction. Its an idea for long term survival, nothing more.

Eventually, in every private server, mergers are necessary. The sooner, the better.

In anathema the peak last week was 6k players online, this week the average is around 4k-5k. Leveling zones are empty. Instanced PvP is a disaster, with only 1 or 2 bgs up (usually AB and WSG) being farmed by premades, with AV having 5 people only. So whatever needs to be done, should be done soon.

Anathema is on the verge of dying due to a lack of content and you want to go back, nerf our gear and do MC for 5 more months?
 

[Dralek 5]

13 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Anathema is on the verge of dying due to a lack of content and you want to go back, nerf our gear and do MC for 5 more months?
 

Taking into consideration that all the anathema players that are already decked endured a year without those characters (do to nostalrius shut-down), that whole "drama" about lack of content seems unrealistic to me. Sure some guilds have quit because of that, but in truth are nothiing more than a minority. Most people are just happy playing their characters, many guilds still play and contribute to the AQ event. A couple of weeks doing the war effort shouldn't be much of a problem. Furthermore, it is well known that private servers take longer to implement patches, given the admins work for free and thus can't devote their full time on the project. This has happened in every private server, and it is well-known by most people playing, thus the delay in AQ patch wasn't be a surprise for most.

While it is an overall contributing factor, the other problems that plague anathema seem more of a reason for the population loss: constant lag, 12 hour shutdowns twice a week, lack of new influx of players (given most start in elysium), rerolling in elysium, loss of interest (which is common in every game regardless of content), loss of advertisement by streamers, etc.

EVERY server suffers from population loss, and mergers are something inevitable. If before patch 1.12 the population drops so low that a merger is inevitable, we would have to ignore the arguments you present and merge anathema with another realm regardless of its implications. So, in my opinion, the sooner the better, and just deal with the possible mergers now.

 

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Slicy 11]

On 22/03/2017 at 6:33 PM, Dralek said:

Problem with this solution is that either anathema players will have to accept a downgrade and loss of both items and progression, or zek players will have to jump ahead.

That must be the most terrible idea so far. The direct consequence of this would be a simple bailing out project from literally every (remaining) guild on Anathema.

The only solution was to never create the problem. Which was created by opening 2 more servers when project already had 2 to handle.

[Dralek 5]

1 minute ago, Slicy said:

That must be the most terrible idea so far. The direct consequence of this would be a simple bailing out project from literally every (remaining) guild on Anathema.

The only solution was to never create the problem. Which was created by opening 2 more servers when project already had 2 to handle.

That may be so. But at some point it is highly likely anathema will have to merge with another realm, regardless of the implications. And that might lead to downgrade items. What will we do then? The only thing we are doing is kicking the ball for our futureselves to deal with the problem.

I agree that launching a fresh and and old realm was a mistake, we shoul have gotten either all fresh realms, or only the old ones. But that was then, and we are in the now. Pointing out what could have been, won't really help us much.

[Slicy 11]

3 minutes ago, Dralek said:

Most people are just happy playing their characters, many guilds still play and contribute to the AQ event. A couple of weeks doing the war effort shouldn't be much of a problem.

Not true. Most people are raid logging or already left.

No guild is contributing to War Effort since we got cucked about it and will remain so for some more time it seems. Ppl do not wish to turn in materials when the numbers remain completely absurd. That is the answer you will get if you ask any player on the server atm.

"couple of weeks" > You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There is no "doing the war effort". The numbers needed to be changed as soon as the player base outlined they were totally ridiculous which was barely 2 days after it was added. We are now reaching the "intended 3-4 weeks" between WE and actual Gates opening.

[Guest]

1 час назад, StarecaseXD сказал:

I am impatient. The dev team said blah-blah and I fell for that words, maybe I should be called gullible

That's what I read.

While I respect someone's goal to succeed at raiding, raiding itself isn't mandatory or only way to have bloody good time playing WoW. Only if you're uninventive, your 40 cats will cease being enthusiastic, in other words, do your best to entertain your group if it's only way to keep your pack from falling apart. Or find other cats to play with.

[Dralek 5]

13 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Not true. Most people are raid logging or already left.

No guild is contributing to War Effort since we got cucked about it and will remain so for some more time it seems. Ppl do not wish to turn in materials when the numbers remain completely absurd. That is the answer you will get if you ask any player on the server atm.

"couple of weeks" > You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There is no "doing the war effort". The numbers needed to be changed as soon as the player base outlined they were totally ridiculous which was barely 2 days after it was added. We are now reaching the "intended 3-4 weeks" between WE and actual Gates opening.

People don't wish to turn in materials, because it would be economical suicide to do so, given opportunists will now sell them higher in the AH. And I agree materials need to be changed.

However you are naive if you believe that is the reason most people have "quit", and blaming the war effort as the reason anathema is dying would be a mistake. The server has been loosing players since way before the war effort was announced. Sure, some guilds made an open drama about it, doesn't mean its the reason behind it.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Slicy 11]

It's one of the numerous reasons and probably the 2nd most decisive one.

[Dralek 5]

1 minute ago, Slicy said:

It's one of the numerous reasons and probably the 2nd most decisive one.

Hardly a main one, given it only affects people that are fully decked in tier2/BWL gear.

For the many 60's in blues, tier1/MC gear, or half tier2/BWL gear, it really changes nothing, in fact in some way gives them the chance to assemble their sets before AQ is realeased.

The most probable explanation is the connection problems. Last week anathema was down for 2 entire days. And 12-16 hour shut-downs are a common weekly theme. Also the daily DDOS makes playing at peak times imposible some days. Furthermore, the loss of some new player influx joining destroys open-world fun such as pvp campers and stuff. Same goes for instance battleground, which now days are few and always against premades.

The population began decreasing as soon as Elysium launched, and it kept going down as the weeks went by. The diference is that now it has reached a noticeable margin (5k peak compared to the initial 9k capped, almost half).