Buff the Elemental Fire Droprate (Elysium)

[Garun 9]

Since you have done this with herbs, why not do it where it's needed? I guarantee that greater fire protection potions didn't cost anywhere near 6g+ a piece on retail vanilla.

[Justme 9]

might be because less people were using them

[Valkari 0]

I had another post about the same thing but my suggestion is to implement the transmute asap.

[saintnixon 0]

We dealt with it on Anathema...server pop was 8-11K until February/March and that is when the patch that added the heart of fire xmute hit.  I'm not saying that you should suffer because we suffered but...it really wasn't that bad.

[TheRealJindo 1]

Heh, for this realm it will likely rise to 10g/each GFPP

[Justme 9]

if you don't think the price is worth it then don't buy the item.

[Valkari 0]

The problem is it seems to be a double standard. Herb rates are increased and welcomed due to massive server pop but not fires. Even elemental earth have multiple strong drop locations but fire only has one. Iirc the reason blizz put in the transmute was to address this very issue on much lower pop servers.

[saintnixon 0]

Sounds like the perfect reason to re-pioneer FR-gear raiding.  GFPP are not necessary for any raid encounter that is on farm status, they just allow dps to bathe in aoe so they can maximize damage.  Buy/farm a handful for progression kills and call it  a day.

[Prancinglid 4]

2 hours ago, saintnixon said:

Sounds like the perfect reason to re-pioneer FR-gear raiding.  GFPP are not necessary for any raid encounter that is on farm status, they just allow dps to bathe in aoe so they can maximize damage.  Buy/farm a handful for progression kills and call it  a day.

X2

Or if the spots in Un'goro or Arathi are just that bad, start farming small flame sacs and use the regular fire protection potions. 

[TheRealJindo 1]

If you use regular fire prot pots, you might as well use major healing potions tbh ;p

[Ellarria 6]

12 hours ago, TheRealJindo said:

Heh, for this realm it will likely rise to 10g/each GFPP

They were like that on Anathema for a while.

[Hurricane2 2]

55 minutes ago, TheRealJindo said:

If you use regular fire prot pots, you might as well use major healing potions tbh ;p

You can pre emptively use fire pots.  Not possible with healing pots.

[TheRealJindo 1]

Yeah, doh... What I mean to get at is, if you don't use GFPP, then you might as well not use them at all regardless of being able to prepop. Because for most instances, preopping simply means healers doing nothing at the start of the fight.

[flowqz 34]

4 hours ago, TheRealJindo said:

Yeah, doh... What I mean to get at is, if you don't use GFPP, then you might as well not use them at all regardless of being able to prepop. Because for most instances, preopping simply means healers doing nothing at the start of the fight.

depends. you cant use the healing pots while disoriented in onys p2, which is the only encounter where i would use fire prot pots.

[Garun 9]

On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 3:58 AM, Justme said:

if you don't think the price is worth it then don't buy the item.

The problem is many guilds will bench that player for not paying the unreasonable price. A lot of the problem is those guilds being elitist, but it's still a major problem.

[thecrazyscot 16]

On 5/10/2017 at 7:50 AM, Valkari said:

The problem is it seems to be a double standard. Herb rates are increased and welcomed due to massive server pop but not fires. Even elemental earth have multiple strong drop locations but fire only has one. Iirc the reason blizz put in the transmute was to address this very issue on much lower pop servers.

Fire has more than one. I never see anybody where I farm them.

[Valkari 0]

3 hours ago, thecrazyscot said:

Fire has more than one. I never see anybody where I farm them.

I said strong locations. 

[saintnixon 0]

Elemental fires can be farmed inside BRD by 60s.  It might not be what you prefer to do but that is limitless uncontested farm.  Grab a friend and split them down the middle.

Dark iron highway-->8 Fire elementals leading up to incendius.  Some classes can even solo it (warlock for sure).

[Valkari 0]

At that drop rate you're probably better off farming gold. But you are correct its just not efficient. If they get to 10g it will be.

[Storfan 24]

On 2017-05-09 at 7:13 AM, Garun said:

Since you have done this with herbs, why not do it where it's needed? I guarantee that greater fire protection potions didn't cost anywhere near 6g+ a piece on retail vanilla.

They didnt cost that in vanilla because:

1. People wasnt as good at farming, meaning less gold available, and lower prices.

2. People didnt use the pots as much anyways since everyone used Fire res gear for many fights and Onyxia, while now only tanks will use it for a handful of fights in MC.

tldr: vanilla has less gold in circulation, and demand for the pots was lower.

[Valkari 0]

It has nothing to do with peoples ability to farm gold. Servers as big as zeth kur on vanilla vs this which is 5x larger than any server ever in vanilla retail.

[Storfan 24]

2 minutes ago, Valkari said:

It has nothing to do with peoples ability to farm gold. Servers as big as zeth kur on vanilla vs this which is 5x larger than any server ever in vanilla retail.

Yes it does. An increase of available gold (money printing, as an analogy) while the availability of a certain good remains the same will increase the cost of said good. That's simple economics 101. Combine this with my point #2 above and you got the perfect storm.

- Increased buying power

- Increased demand

- Same supply

= increased prices.

[Garun 9]

5 hours ago, Storfan said:

Yes it does. An increase of available gold (money printing, as an analogy) while the availability of a certain good remains the same will increase the cost of said good. That's simple economics 101. Combine this with my point #2 above and you got the perfect storm.

- Increased buying power

- Increased demand

- Same supply

= increased prices.

The increased demand means there should be an increased supply. The goal of a vanilla server is to make the experience as close as possible to retail vanilla.

[Roxy 8]

15 minutes ago, Garun said:

The increased demand means there should be an increased supply. The goal of a vanilla server is to make the experience as close as possible to retail vanilla.

If you want close to blizzlike, consider playing on a realm with a blizzlike population.

 

And its not like these things are really needed anyway. Having a well spread out raid can negate like 10x the amount the potion does.

The elemental fires that drop in mc is by far enough to supply your tanks and a few essential members with these potions. Maybe use them instead of filling up the gbank

[Valkari 0]

6 hours ago, Storfan said:

Yes it does. An increase of available gold (money printing, as an analogy) while the availability of a certain good remains the same will increase the cost of said good. That's simple economics 101. Combine this with my point #2 above and you got the perfect storm.

- Increased buying power

- Increased demand

- Same supply

= increased prices.

Using this logic why increase herbs?