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[Bork'd 0]

A lot of people are suggesting the removing of the ability to queue as raid group, and some even as a group.
But maybe it would be easier to just queue raid groups against raid groups only?

I realize that this pre-made bracket might not really be viable at all times, as it requires at least one raid group from each faction, but as mentioned in earlier posts, the high standing horde and alliance PVP communities are already in contact. So if anything an alliance Grand Marshal can contact a horde High Warlord and say: "Hey you wanna play some premade matches at 8 PM?"

Because like previously mentioned by Fiers and others, playing premade vs premade is enjoyable.

[Malga 1]

I suggest :

MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR NON-CORE PVP PLAYERS...
...BUT KEEP THE CORE PVP PLAYERS INTERESTED BY THE CHALLENGE

1 - to limit the premade to 5 people... for balance issue between "elite" and "casual" --> no more raid premade
Only 10% of the players (the most dedicated) are enjoying and 90% of the players (the "casual") are suffering from this situation in BG
The fact that there is more premade in Alliance create a side effect... if you PUG as ally you will nearly always loose because people in horde prefer to avoid ally premade and play more PUG...
--> impacts the core pvp players... they will have reduced chances to always win but they still could play with 4 others friends

2 - to reduce the cost of respec... reduce the respec decaying system is a good idea also as an alternative...
If you play as a Tank... you can't enjoy PvP with your tank spec... just give a solution in order to motivate those people who don't want to PvP because it's just too expensive for them.
--> no impact on core pvp players... could help casual players to join the PvP community

3 - The PvP stuff does not need to be updated... it's just a bad idea to tell to the PvE raid community that a lot a the top items are not in raid but in BG.
For the moment, the fact that some stuff is good for PvE is sufficient to encourage some PvE players to come in PvP BG.
--> no impact for nobody.

One thing : the pro ranker will always spit on changes that could reduced their present ranking efficiency... that's not a thing to forget :)

[Dankk 0]

Remove group queue 10/15 man queues. Atleast with 5 man queues your not getting pummeled into the ground by helmet premades all day long , which isn't fun for the casual pvpers. This will also require strict monitoring of people syncing their queues in order to keep their helmet mades together. This also will showcase skill if enforced properly instead of farming afk BGs all day (looking at you china and their green weaponed garbage r12 and r13s), they will have to actually work to carry the team to victory. Also  lowers the amount of rank 13/14 sales because they're not able to run their premades into empty/afk bgs all day! 

Also don't update PvP gear it kills the BWL/ZG patch completely and PvE is already starved with the slow release of content such as the current dreaded 6 months of MC on ZK/Ely with shit tier loot 

Don't bring back duo qs because it makes for an enviroment of extreme dodging and empty bgs for the benefit of helmet mades

[levran 146]

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What would you like to see improved?

Try to blizzards lessons, they know what players would to see in WoW.  They do multiqueue, remote registration, matchmaking by group and gear, etc.  Yes, most cases from later WoW but it work.

[MagicGG 0]

Zeth Kur player here.

What's something that you enjoy about our current PvP scene?

Sometimes the queues are faster than 15-20 minutes. Good ping / latency. 

Something that you dislike?

Queuing into roflstomp ally premade all day long while your team contains newly dinged 60s, PvEs or players who just does not give a damn.

Premades dodging each other, wintrading. 

Unbalanced BGs - 5v3  8v7 4v2  etc, makes players loose motivation and will to win even before game starts.

200 g a week in respec costs just to be able to PvP  (Respec Wednesday before raid, after raid, sunday before raid and after raid).

(spent almost 1700g already in respec costs and will be probably forced soon to quit PvP because of it). 

Exploiters never gets punished (fence bypassers in WSG, stealth cappers) (pls dont say open a ticket). 

What's missing?

Custom adjustments to make PvP approachable for more variety of people (dual spec), No Premade times, (maybe on fridays).'

PvP events, custom scripted events, fix to all of the above. 

What would you like to see improved?

 

Any other thoughts / comments / suggestions?

[QQsya 4]

Update the pvp gear, not right this instant but possibly with BWL or ZG patch.  It's trash right now and that's the main reason why brackets are shrinking, few people are motivated to rank at the moment.  Yes, sweeties, I'm sorry, but with a few exceptions, spending 4+ months playing 80+ hours a week SHOULD get you better rewards than pressing '1' in MC for an hour.

Also, multiple people have mentioned something about respec costs.  I really liked Fiers' idea of turning in BG marks of honor for a respec.  To keep people from abusing it (eg having rogues hearth out and go respec daggers for Vael or similar such Kronoslike BS), maybe make it only possible to do so on a BG weekend, by spending x amount of marks from the relevant BG?  Currently, if you play anything that isn't an SM/Ruin warlock you basically have to either choose between solely pve and solely pvp or spend 100g+ per week just on respecs.

Edited May 23, 2017 by QQsya

[Leigh 0]

Just for the record, if you made it so that premades only vsed other premades, they wouldn't premade at all. They aren't doing it for competition, they're doing it for easy, free, without challenge honor farming. That's it.

[Slicy 11]

Fuck off with the remove raid queuing suggestions.

Just because you suck and/or can't be asked to play with more players doesn't mean others need to be negatively impacted by it and not be able to play together in a mmorpg. If you are really fed up with getting steam rolled by premades, stop queuing, go play some other game or keep on feeding us with your tears on forums.

Nothing prevents you from getting 9 / 14 other nerds to contest established premades until you defeat them. That's how it should work.

[pellefant 0]

I play on the Anathema server and have a few twinks and semi-twinks that I'm unable to play with since there isn't any pre-60 BG. I see in the comments above that other servers have the same problem too. With decreased server population across all servers, there simply isn't enough people on one server for pre-60 BG to happen. Old Nostalrius tried to implement a cluster system, just before they were shut down, that would allow cross-realm BG which would increase the total amout of players that could join the same BG. It would make it much easier for BGs to pop with more ppl that are able to join and could solve the pre-60 BG problem. Would love for this to happen! :)

[Fardragon 0]

Just made PMs vs PMs bracket. If there is no other pm, so group will wait for it or just disband. If they so good, they will can oppose to another elite group and NOT to random semi-green geared group. 

[Gnog 1]

26 minutes ago, Slicy said:

Fuck off with the remove raid queuing suggestions.

Just because you suck and/or can't be asked to play with more players doesn't mean others need to be negatively impacted by it and not be able to play together in a mmorpg. If you are really fed up with getting steam rolled by premades, stop queuing, go play some other game or keep on feeding us with your tears on forums.

Nothing prevents you from getting 9 / 14 other nerds to contest established premades until you defeat them. That's how it should work.

This is a beautiful post. "It's working fine for me and my 14 friends who have been able to play WoW 80 hours a week for the last two years. If you don't like it, go somewhere else." With this attitude, your community will just continue to shrivel and die. You've also completely ignored the flaws in the current system. 

How about this:

Fuck off with the full raid queueing. Just because you have more play time than others and/or fear the introduction of player skill into the ranking equation doesn't mean you should be able to destroy the spontaneity, parity, and fun that would otherwise be attainable in PvP in this computer game. If you really need to PvP only in premades that out-gear disorganized pugs, just go roaming around low level questing areas and gank lowbies, or just keep confirming the toxicity and short-sightedness of your ilk on the forums. 

Nothing prevents you from getting 9 / 14 other nerds together for some world PvP. So stop ruining the BG scene with raid queueing and win trading. That's how it should work.

 

 

[Malga 1]

37 minutes ago, Fardragon said:

Just made PMs vs PMs bracket. If there is no other pm, so group will wait for it or just disband. If they so good, they will can oppose to another elite group and NOT to random semi-green geared group. 

This suggestion could match with the real competitors... those who are able to spend a lot of time for one AB in premade vs premade very good match 1980 / 2000... even if it's not efficient in term of honor / minutes
I am sure Slicy agree with it.

So a good suggestion could be :

1 - If you group in raid, you must face another raid
2 - only 5 people max if you want to group out of raid

IMO, if this rule is implemented... this is the end of the raid premade not having the noble behavior of Slicy and his mates.
Only the real competitors will be on top of the hill... everybody will be happy !

The consequences of these rules will be to see a lot of:
AB : 2x5 + 5 PUG or 1x5 + 10 PUG
Warsong 1x5 + 5 PUG
and it could be good... after all for the majority

[Digge 0]

I stopped ranking on Anathema when bans where issued left and right.

Ranking scene is pretty dead afaik on alliance, except for chinese maybe

[Wolebor1978 0]

CROSS REALMS BATTLEGROUNDS,and multiqueue,this both tools meake pvp explode on evry realm.

[csant 3]

I was looking forward to bgs at 60 and world pvp. But once I hit 60 and started to bg and notice the shit the horde do, it demoralized me. "but make your on damn group" I don't have the time to spend 80 a week playing (I work and have a family). I can usually play 4 hours a night. 

[Forest_ 40]

Reduced Respec cost & look at merging the realms. (Accelerate the patches on Elysium to catch up to AQ in 4-5 months or something).

Or allow open xfers to Anathema.

[thebe 0]

4 hours ago, Bork'd said:

A lot of people are suggesting the removing of the ability to queue as raid group, and some even as a group.
But maybe it would be easier to just queue raid groups against raid groups only?

I realize that this pre-made bracket might not really be viable at all times, as it requires at least one raid group from each faction, but as mentioned in earlier posts, the high standing horde and alliance PVP communities are already in contact. So if anything an alliance Grand Marshal can contact a horde High Warlord and say: "Hey you wanna play some premade matches at 8 PM?"

Because like previously mentioned by Fiers and others, playing premade vs premade is enjoyable.

this seems like a really good idea that would improve the overall health of the pvp scene. would love to know if thats something that could be implemented by the staff realistically.

[Hashash 0]

Premade vs Premade = 30-60+ minutes match

Premade vs Pug = 15k+ honor per hour

Pug vs Pug = 3:2 wsg wins and looses / 2000:1980 ab wins and looses / tons of repicks / assaults / communications / and many more fun moments/sutuations/matches - like a zero healers on horde side vs 2paladins+3priests on alliance side

why i play vanilla? because i love pug vs pug games. this matches give me more enjoy then 2200 legion rbg achievment

[Hurricane2 2]

13 hours ago, Motorbreath said:

Nothing is wrong with PvP management-wise. The problem is in people that participate. And the solution is in them as well.

If they don't want to PvP, they won't. If they want the gear, they will. If they are not happy with premades, but do not care enough to create their own group in a mmo game, then who should care for them?

Instead of listening to one party, then listening to another, and then endlessly working out a compromise, that will leave nobody happy, just keep the status quo.

Keep it blizzlike. Marks expiration, item stats, availability... Whatever. Blizzlike is something everyone hopefully can agree upon by now.

Fix bugs, ban afkers, gold sellers, win-traders. Do the maintenance stuff. Leave the player's problems to them - to solve or to whine about.

I was going to make a post similar to this but this is spot on.  The biggest problem with bgs isn't the current design or management but the servers with low population.  None of the suggestions in this thread will fix the issues with bgs when you have such low populations on 3 of the servers.

The only suggestion I've seen that is worth discussion is possibly lowering respect costs.

[Caber 4]

Limit respec costs please. 10g or something. You sure as fuck won't see me in a BG anymore because if the choice is between spending anywhere from 200-400g a week to do it... and just not doing it.... I'm just not doing it. I'm certainly not the only one in this predicament, and you could pull the assumption "well, I guess they're just not dedicated enough about pvp!" but I think I'm a bit of an antithesis to that one in a way, given that people who dont care much about pvp generally don't get server first r14.

Now I know, the argument that's usually made here is "BUT THAT'S NOT BLIZZLIKE! FUCK THAT! IT'S CUSTOM FUNSERVER DOGSHIT!"

The important counter-argument to this is that THIS SERVER ALREADY ISN'T BLIZZLIKE! And it's arguably not a bad thing, sometimes. Here's some relevant examples:

• Relevant to gold economy that isn't blizzlike: various DM gold farming "finetuning" isn't exactly blizzlike either. We got nerfed possibilities for gold income here, but completely blizzlike goldsinks... hurts and I don't see the point.
• Relevant to changes that benefit the PvP community a lot: AB is already out!

Given these two things are ALREADY HERE and ARE NOT BLIZZLIKE, why is "it's not blizzlike so it shouldn't be done" an argument? It isn't. I sure as fuck haven't heard anyone complain that AB being released is custom funserver bullshit because it's generally a great change that everyone enjoys.
Given that AB being added is a great change and certainly helps PvP be fresh and varied to an extent, I don't think there should be much hesitation to finetune other things that would benefit the community in this same way.

If your goal is making the pvp community last aslong as the pve community, then this is the number one way to do it, as it will help un-separate the two.

 

And let's be completely honest, respec costs are entirely fucking pointless to begin with. What were they thinking? Why necessiate someone to farm gold for hundreds of hours if all he wants to do is switch specs a lot? Was the purpose to "lock" people into one playstyle? Why would people have to be locked into one playstyle? Why is that a good thing? This is just my opinion and not at all related to the argument I'm making here, so please don't get sidetracked by this and mistakenly view it as point in favor i'm making. It's still true tho.

[Hurricane2 2]

6 hours ago, Airymil said:

If you must add any kind of punishment then please add votekick to both 5-mans and BGs. I wished for this so many times back at Nost.

I can't put into words how much I like this idea.

[Xheroth 0]

The PvP scene for single queue is absolutely horrible except for AV. Facing premades 24/7 is why most people don't PvP anymore. Apart from that, PvP in vanilla is a unique experience that every other WoW expansion can't compete with.

[Hashash 0]

what about start from something little?
pug weekends:
sat+sun - only solo que
check population in this days and make a conclusions

[Maximus94 0]

Updated pvp blue set and early alterac valley release :) . Everything else is fine for me.

[Lymetel 0]

Reduced respec costs to 5-10g would make the game signficantly more fun for a lot of people. It would also downsize raidlogging since people can *more* freely play whatever they wish. Perhaps some sort of dual spec system, for a large one time payment would also suffice. Really, it's so boring being completely bound to either pve or pvp, or drop 100g to switch between them.