World chat in Elysium PVP

[mythak70 0]

hey, i was just wondering if you could make this server different this time, or would i say more authentic

 

I played back in vanilla in 2006, and basically like 2% isch of the population actually tapped into  /world or /global (or other counterparts), for the simple reason that they didnt know they existed. The only channels people talked on were /1 (general) /g (guild) /2 (trade) /p, /s etc. you get my point.

 

What i mean is that people today who started at wotlk and later xpacs are so used to the concept of the server-wide world chat that they think its always been there (again, it probably was even in vanilla, but perhaps like 2 or 1 or 5% used it). In order to make THIS release be more authentic than f.ex Feenix (warsong), Kronos, Feenix(ED), 1st release of Nost etc-My idea is therefore to restrict use of any world chat if possible until at least many people are 60 and settled.

 

The pros of this will be that the world will feel maybe 3,5,10 times larger when (as it were) faced with the reality of only being able to talk to and recruit people for various enterprises in the land/area you´re currently in (f.ex durotar). If flying mount "decreased" the size of the world in TBC, so did the world chat phenomenon when it broke through in like wotlk

 

Whats the general take on this guys? Guild/party/say/general/trade only

 

Everyone jumping straight into world chat will make it feel less vanilla imo, less 2005/2006. Also, more focus on playing the game and less on squabbling about trump and isis. It will also create the awesome Barrens chat again ;DDD when ur already tapped into world chat, the barrens chat wont be AS groovy, lemme reframe myself, With the world chat, the (im?)famous Barrens chat wont be as SPECIAL. for good or bad

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[Pottu 290]

World chat is not a special chat channel like General, Trade, Local Defence, World Defence, Looking For Group and Looking For Guild channels are. World chat is just a custom chat channel named "world". Blizzard implemented the ability to create custom chat channels early in vanilla and it is used for many purposes, for example guilds use custom chat channels for class-specific raid channels. Additionally, many addons use custom chat channels to "network" between players. We cannot disable custom chat channels as that would cripple such addons and make life difficult for people using them for RP and organization, not to mention non-English speakers who often also join a channel for their own language, such as /china and /rus.

 

Just forbidding a channel named "world" isn't going to work because players would just switch using a differently named channel.

[fructi 0]

This was always a possibility. As Pottu explained, you could make customer chat channels, which was great, so certain classes of a guild could talk in there without 'disturbing' people who had nothing to do with that.

 

It was always fun to join customer channels from other guilds during their raid times

[mythak70 0]

Yes, i understand that and that was the exact answer i was anticipating, But in todays world, its status quo to jump into world chat the moment opportunity to do so hits, like lvl 10 most often. It Wasnt status quo in 2006, and thats what bothers me, thats what makes it feel less original and more of this 2010s PC, SJW, politics, 12 year olds yelling and much more.

 

Everyone i knew and played with from irl or through in game encountering back in the days when i was maybe 14 years old (medium age was probably like 18 in vanilla) didnt use world chat either, We did the above + skype, and altering that is what makes every new vanilla server that pops up feel more like 2011 cata atmosphere socially, not the pre cata vibe most people long for. 

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[mythak70 0]

This was always a possibility. As Pottu explained, you could make customer chat channels, which was great, so certain classes of a guild could talk in there without 'disturbing' people who had nothing to do with that.

 

It was always fun to join customer channels from other guilds during their raid times

Heres what i mean: your quote, not mine: "It was always fun to join customer channels from other guilds..." 

The creating of extra channels was on a much smaller scale. The normal for a vast majority was to settle for general/trade/guild etc.

 

NOT THIS BLOODY NEAR MANDATORY /join world the second you pop 10 or even 1 today. And the argument that often floats around this question: "If you dont like it, stop complain and dont join it"      Its not valid when a majority will join it, since its there and all know about it today, which they didnt then. If you dont join a channel most people use, like the concept of facebook today, you wont get in contact with them as easily if their into the realm of Spamalot(world) and youre not. 

 

We dont have to settle for what  has become Standard (was always there, as stated) it doesnt mean its for the better, because its not, the in game world becomes so much smaller. I just believe this issue had to be brought up, Peace out!

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[Shayss 43]

Personally OP. I joined /World as soon as I could. It was wonderful to see the item, guild recruitment, occasional rage comments (before gold seller spam, but there is addons for that).

 

I then created another channel, /guild, and when I didn't want to see chat spam i would simply click on guild. Easy. No fuss no muss.

[mythak70 0]

World chat is not a special chat channel like General, Trade, Local Defence, World Defence, Looking For Group and Looking For Guild channels are. World chat is just a custom chat channel named "world". Blizzard implemented the ability to create custom chat channels early in vanilla and it is used for many purposes, for example guilds use custom chat channels for class-specific raid channels. Additionally, many addons use custom chat channels to "network" between players. We cannot disable custom chat channels as that would cripple such addons and make life difficult for people using them for RP and organization, not to mention non-English speakers who often also join a channel for their own language, such as /china and /rus.

 

Just forbidding a channel named "world" isn't going to work because players would just switch using a differently named channel.

I think you missed a small part i my point tough, i said hold out until many people are 60, and i think that works because the game comes with loads of channels from the start, like /g /2 /1, (but no servr spanning custom one) people dont need to create large custom world chats until raid groups need to create those necessary raid group channels you mentioned, i get that. I just think, sadly, that without an early world chat in todays gaming climate, all the less than 20yr olds will leave. But you cant let that get you down GMs! Dont bow down to the opinions of the nubz, but listen, and make an authentic server. If i sound angry, i dont care, im not, i think you know as well as i that the big insta-popisch-world chat aint vanilla authentic.

 

Let the russkies and chinos just create their own guild if they wanna speak in their langauges, solves one of your points, until you´re in them, talk to eachother in english until  together in the guilds. The same goes of course for all peoples. Its this dumbing down and complacement that the: "You think you do but you dont" people flow with. Dont become like them, and satisfy every whim of the mob, please. Make this a great server from the get go. And no PC banning people (on Kronos server they do) on feenix they didnt and thats what made Feenix team great.

 

Full free speech, no matter, PLEASE, who ever died from an insult? i notice more and more that the pc culture is sippering down from irl into WoW private servers as well. 

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[Shayss 43]

Wait a sec Mythak. Why would you want to pay attention to world chat when you are lvling?

 

I only ever payed attention to guild chat (sometimes not even that) while lvling. I have nothing to contribute as a lowbie and nothing to sell. Making groups for dungeons in vanilla as a lowbie outside of SFK and maybe Uldaman is not really a thing either.

Perhaps it's just me.
 

Edit: Having a zone chat literaly covers everything you are looking for. Once you get out of those first few zones and everyone is just talking away you just end up wanting to get your head down and do some serious grind to lvl 60.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Shayss

[mythak70 0]

Wait a sec Mythak. Why would you want to pay attention to world chat when you are lvling?

 

I only ever payed attention to guild chat (sometimes not even that) while lvling. I have nothing to contribute as a lowbie and nothing to sell. Making groups for dungeons in vanilla as a lowbie outside of SFK and maybe Uldaman is not really a thing either.

Perhaps it's just me.

 

Edit: Having a zone chat literaly covers everything you are looking for. Once you get out of those first few zones and everyone is just talking away you just end up wanting to get your head down and do some serious grind to lvl 60.

Its not the question of what you want to pay attention to or not, the issue is and always will be that its there in the first place and etched in stone too early. You cant ignore it any more than you can ignore facebook today, if you leave facebook everyone will wonder where you went, + everyone else wont leave most likely and you´ll miss out, but if it didnt exist to begin with, people would be mumbling around in city trade chat and durotar/desolace general chat, as most did.

 

As you can see i´m an anti world chat and anti FB kinda guy Less global media in game and irl makes people more akin to socialize more locally, in your home town out in the streets, or in game: there, in your current zone. Getting the spam from 3245 people you cant physically see where youré character is atm is.... too much. Lifts focus from what´s right in front of ya.

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[Shayss 43]

I don't think.. i understand what you want?

 

Well I do, but what it sounds like you want is chaos?

 

There needs to be a medium in which all players can communicate. That is /world chat.

[mythak70 0]

Sadly, most people have been conditioned to believe like you now in this decade, but everything new aint good. Some things improve over time, others dont. mass channels are just a part in the big wheel that dumbed down everything, another part was the group finder of wotlk, the list goes on. I dont recall anyone ever showing a server-wide spanning world chat to me back then. Sure, people could and did create custom channels, but not like we have today.

 

Just wanna say that i dont dislike both of y´all, just your stances on my issue  

Edited November 25, 2016 by mythak70

[Aisar87 0]

I'm having a hard time seeing the issue.  I'm all for a world chat if people want to /join that and be part of it.  I played nolifer style from vanilla to about halfway through mists more or less and didn't even know /world was ever a thing.  I kind of get the whole keep barrens chat preserved because apparently you really dig that but from my perspective if people want something like that all the time then they have the option to use it.  I don't see any problem with that and I am on board with the idea of keeping an authentic vanilla experience.  I'd probably get annoyed with /world and the constant sillyness but I won't know until I see what people say.  Honestly I probably won't use the channel and would just stick to the official ones.

[Aslan 0]

As much as I can understand the argument behind this request, the spreading of knowledge isnt something that can be undone by custom changes. Back then people didnt organise themselves in world channels, nos they do. Back then raiders did the first 30 wipes trying to figure out the boss abilities and timers, now they download bigwigs and read a guide. Back then people keyboardturned, now they still keyboardturn.

There is as much use of discussing this than there would be of discussing if it would make sense to shut down the car industry and go back to horses. The game is the same, but the players simply arent. This affects the game in way too many aspects.

[Xom 8]

I can see the draw to wanting to make there be no World chat, since it makes things closer to your idea of a perfectly refined Vanilla experience, but I think it's like putting the genie back in the bottle.

 

Back then, when you returned to the cities, that's where the people flocked to talk to one another. There was a nice warmth to cities when you could zone into a big city and hear babble you hadn't before. It made the game feel like being out in the wild was actually removing you from communication. It really made cities feel like a place you could go to meet people and find instance groups. With World chat there's much less reason to go to cities.

 

It has a certain appeal, but I think people are so well versed with the game these days that you can be sure that if there was no way to make a World Channel in the game they would just flock to alternate ways like discord and skype etc. It's like trying to ask people to "not worry about min/maxing".

[gotmilk0112 10]

Nobody is forcing you to use world chat.

 

Also, the talks of "just like it was in vanilla" are already kind of moot. The server is running patch 1.12 but with only T1 content, has a player cap far above the 3k cap from retail, all sorts of advanced addons that weren't available back then, etc. etc.

 

You're never going to get a 100% "authentic" vanilla experience.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Less global media in game and irl makes people more akin to socialize more locally, in your home town out in the streets, or in game: there, in your current zone. Getting the spam from 3245 people you cant physically see where youré character is atm is.... too much. Lifts focus from what´s right in front of ya.

I never understood why people have these opinions on internet socialization. You act like it's a black-and-white issue. Like you can only do one OR the other.

 

It's possible to socialize in your current zone and in world chat at the same time.

 

Plus, I really like being able to LFG or sell items from any zone instead of being forced to go back to a major city and spam Trade.

[Mpire 0]

This is a bad idea. You could always just leave world chat. 

[Undertanker 88]

We can bring the server down for half the day every Tuesday  as well to make it more "Blizzlike"........

 

 

If you are not fond of /world chat don't join it.   Shouldn't bother you what other people do.    Being new to forum and the two post thus far are "let me be uncensored completely" and "prevent people from communicating".

 

[Jaded 0]

@mythak70   You seem obsessed with the chat system.  Free speech is not offending anyone you want to with your hate and abuse.  Don't you have any friends irl to talk to?  Does everyone in your irl just walk away from you to the point that you feel the need to control wow chat?  Just play the game and be respectful or you will be banned.

[Blib 14]

Damn dude, that was a lot of words just to formulate a фекал idea. Massive pop=massive world chat activity. Try feenix if you want a dead world chat.

[judgejewdy 0]

is this yor first private server? world is a good thing its just a chat channel. haha retail noobies these days say the darnest things haha cute little nooblet 

[Tholren 7]

This is the problem of having weeks of waiting time ahead of us, people have enough time to find the weirdest things to complain about.

 

Just remove it from your channels, if it does bother you. Not a lot of people play MMOs for their solo aspects.

[SpottedCow 2]

As much as I can understand the argument behind this request, the spreading of knowledge isnt something that can be undone by custom changes. Back then people didnt organise themselves in world channels, nos they do. Back then raiders did the first 30 wipes trying to figure out the boss abilities and timers, now they download bigwigs and read a guide. Back then people keyboardturned, now they still keyboardturn.

There is as much use of discussing this than there would be of discussing if it would make sense to shut down the car industry and go back to horses. The game is the same, but the players simply arent. This affects the game in way too many aspects.

 

The keyboard turning bit made me lol.  I agree with you though.  Very well said!!!

OP, seriously, calm down.  That's part of the feel of the original experience that's not coming back, for better or for worse.  And frankly, if you want something closer to the original vanilla experience, the chat isn't nearly as big of a deal as the fact that the servers have a population that's double or more the MAXIMUM population that vanilla retail had.  And ваууing with spawn timers doesn't bring the experience closer to the vanilla retail experience, it just makes the server go from unplayable to playable.  If you really want to expend a ton of energy rallying for some change, I'd think that'd be the first thing you'd go for.

Vanilla WoW emulation is not a perfect reproduction of vanilla WoW.  What you're asking creates logistical nightmares for hundreds or thousands of people, as Pottu pointed out.  And yet, OP, you're still bitching because YOU don't care about how it hurts others.  That attitude of 'let the nasty foreigners make guilds if they want to speak in their native tongue' shows that it's not about creating the best experience for everyone, it's about you.  You're a selfish prick and frankly, for that reason alone I'd be happy with you not getting your way.

[Eri 0]

This is a very dumb idea...just sayin...

[Undertanker 88]

 join it when you are looking for a group then /leave right after

 

I'd go weeks without being in world chat, and only join it when looking for a pug or 2 while filling up a guild 20 man or an UBRS run.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Undertanker