Is warrior a good choice for a first time vanilla raider?

[Lothbrok 0]

Hi there

 

I've played Vanilla back in the day and sometimes in some private servers, still I never reached 60. The only experience I have raiding is in TBC as Warlock and I didn't find it that difficult, but I believe this is due I was playing the post nerf version. This time i'm fully committed to see all the end content. However Im afraid of my class choice, I want to pick a class that can let me progress without investing too much time (college). I mentioned Warrior in my question because I have a 55 Warrior in Old Nost and I enjoyed a lot tanking the dungeons available to my level, but I know tanking in higher levels involves much more knowledge, responsibility and some other things. 

 

I will be starting again in the fresh sever because I've never experimented such thing and I don't know if Warrior will help me to reach my goal. My other options are Priest and Shaman, I've never healed before, but I think this will be easier than tanking. Thanks for reading and your answer.

 

 

 

[slippery 4]

dont tank then

[MisterRay 0]

What I am planning to do is to roll a damage/healing class as a new player in Vanilla, join dungeons/raids and try to get to know the bosses and the overall mechanics while doing damage/healing. After this I will roll a tank.

 

Since you do not have much time due to college, you have some options, like:

 

1. Start with a tanking class while learning the bosses in dungeons and raids via e.g. YouTube (It's super old content and a lot to find online)

 

2. Start like me, as previously mentioned.

 

Most important: enjoy the game and do what makes you happy Great tanks are also just great since they got to know their class and the whole PvE content after failing miserably many times.

Edited November 30, 2016 by MisterRay

[Faith 5]

I had 3 level 60's before BC came out and I would say just level what you like. Usually it takes me around 20 levels of a class to really get a feel for "am I going to like this?".

 

~ Faith ~

[Lothbrok 0]

What I am planning to do is to roll a damage/healing class as a new player in Vanilla, join dungeons/raids and try to get to know the bosses and the overall mechanics while doing damage/healing. After this I will roll a tank.

 

Since you do not have much time due to college, you have some options, like:

 

1. Start with a tanking class while learning the bosses in dungeons and raids via e.g. YouTube (It's super old content and a lot to find online)

 

2. Start like me, as previously mentioned.

 

Most important: enjoy the game and do what makes you happy Great tanks are also just great since they got to know their class and the whole PvE content after failing miserably many times.

 

Thanks for your quick answer. I Think I am going for option 2, I am not exactly in hurry to tank (I will be ready when TBC comes ).

 

 

I had 3 level 60's before BC came out and I would say just level what you like. Usually it takes me around 20 levels of a class to really get a feel for "am I going to like this?".

 

~ Faith ~

 

My favorite classes are Warrior, Warlock, Shaman and I could try Priest. I am just trying to find wich class will give me more opportunities to complete all the end content. I've heard raiding is pretty demanding, but I don't know what exactly this means in terms of time, knowledge, difficulty.  

Edited November 30, 2016 by Lothbrok

[Pishy 0]

1. case: You can be a good/ skilled tank and know exactly what you're doing but just don't know the content really well (ways to go, shortcuts, certain critical pulls etc.). In this case you should be honest to the guild (resp. raidleader) you are applying to. You can offer them a test lvl 60 5 man run just to show that you know how to hold thread, request cc etc. in general. Just be able to play your tank intelligently.

2. case: You know the content but you don't know exactly what you're doing with your tank, how to generate thread on multiple targets, charge in blindly, let healer die over and over etc.. In this case you should play a dps class with simple mechanics.

3. case: You don't exactly know how to tank plus you don't know the content. In this case you should also play a dps class with simple mechanics.

4. case: You know how to tank and you know the content. Feel free to apply anywhere you want as a tank!

 

So it's up to you to decide if you feel confident enough to tank once you were told how to treat certain mobs/bosses.

[Undertanker 88]

Play what you want and what you most like as long as it's a competent spec.

 

If you don't want to have a big commitment just dont play tank.

 

This.    Every class and spec will have learning curves.    Being a raid tank doesn't allow the typical "no call no show" on raid night, and are heavily relied on to have great attendance.  We all have real life things and can't make 100% of raids, but it should be a majority you can make.   

 

As long as you are willing to learn, ask questions you are fine.   5 man tanking is a different world than raid tanking.   5 man tanking is about managing multiple mobs for threat, raid tanking is focused on positioning, timing, and knowing when to use your cooldowns or a specific consumable, and keeping a close eye on what buffs or debuffs you have on you on specific fights.    Threat isn't hard.   Shield slam > revenge > Sunder > Shield block / heroic strike is the basics.

[Lootolf 0]

Play what you like. Level some classes and at round about 20-30 you got a distinct feeling which style suits you, and probably even got a look at healing/tanking in Vanilla. Though, as Undertanker said, instances and raids are two different pair of shoes.

[Faith 5]

My favorite classes are Warrior, Warlock, Shaman and I could try Priest. I am just trying to find wich class will give me more opportunities to complete all the end content. I've heard raiding is pretty demanding, but I don't know what exactly this means in terms of time, knowledge, difficulty.  

 

My favorite classes are in order..

 

Priest -> Rogue -> Hunter 

 

I will be playing a priest most definitely. Best class in game

[Shayss 43]

@OP. If you can consider these as your personal traits:

Exceptional dedication and commitment to a guild

Patience (more so than most, tanks will understand)

Acceptance of reality (as in, you are the pillar but without your support you are not able to do anything).

Good at dealing with pressure.

 

Then you might enjoy being a Warrior as a Tank.

 

As a dps you can pretty much yolo but the Tank part is very true if you want to succeed.

[Lothbrok 0]

Thank you all for your answers. I don't think I will have time for such commitment and I will have to pass tanking for a while. However, I would like to learn as much as I can in my no tanking raiding experience. How do you think I will learn most, as DPS Warrior or Healer?

[Undertanker 88]

As a healer. Fury warrior will tunnel vision more. Healing will require more knowledge of some fights.

Though as a fury warrior you Will still tank a mob here or there in raids if needed.

[gotmilk0112 10]

I had 3 level 60's before BC came out and I would say just level what you like. Usually it takes me around 20 levels of a class to really get a feel for "am I going to like this?".

 

~ Faith ~

Though I would argue that how a class plays 1-20 is not a good representation of how it plays at 60.

 

Warrior is painfully boring from 1-30 or so, because you just autoattack and Heroic Strike for the most part. It's not until 36+ that you start getting more abilities to use and feel less gimped.

[WonderBread 4]

It's vanilla wow, if you're not a potato, you can do anything. In terms of experience, just look up guides, videos, or have someone in your guild tell you what to do and when.

[soulzek 3]

Vanilla raid tanking is one of the hardest aspects of modern MMOs. You must spend hours reading detailed information about threat, gear, strategies, as well as every dungeon and raid guide.

 

For a beginner, the answer is a big fat NO

[slippery 4]

Vanilla raid tanking is one of the hardest aspects of modern MMOs. You must spend hours reading detailed information about threat, gear, strategies, as well as every dungeon and raid guide.

 

For a beginner, the answer is a big fat NO

not true

[MisterRay 0]

not true

 

Explain? I'm curious since I want to play tank as well but I never played vanilla

[Faith 5]

Vanilla raid tanking is one of the hardest aspects of modern MMOs. You must spend hours reading detailed information about threat, gear, strategies, as well as every dungeon and raid guide.

 

For a beginner, the answer is a big fat NO

Definitely not true at all.. please don't pass misinformation.. 

[Zarant 2]

Well that is true if you assume that you are main tanking, but as far as off tanking goes, it's pretty simple, you will be usually tanking adds that no one is hitting, taunting wing buffet or spamming hamstring for nightfall procs.

[Storfan 24]

Being Raid/Guild MT and 3rd or 4th OT is a BIG difference in terms of responsibility. If you enjoy tanking casually, being OT is a really fun role to have and it doesnt not involve a steep learning curve.

[Device 2]

Hi there

 

I've played Vanilla back in the day and sometimes in some private servers, still I never reached 60. The only experience I have raiding is in TBC as Warlock and I didn't find it that difficult, but I believe this is due I was playing the post nerf version. This time i'm fully committed to see all the end content. However Im afraid of my class choice, I want to pick a class that can let me progress without investing too much time (college). I mentioned Warrior in my question because I have a 55 Warrior in Old Nost and I enjoyed a lot tanking the dungeons available to my level, but I know tanking in higher levels involves much more knowledge, responsibility and some other things. 

 

I will be starting again in the fresh sever because I've never experimented such thing and I don't know if Warrior will help me to reach my goal. My other options are Priest and Shaman, I've never healed before, but I think this will be easier than tanking. Thanks for reading and your answer.

 

No. For a multiple number of reasons:

 

Tanks are jealous spiteful assholes, and they deserve to be. There are only two reasons to be a warrior: MT and the one dps warrior that goes nuts farming and prepping for raids to get the gear that dominates pvp. There is no other flex. A good guild that is going to be able to gear out characters has no use for more than three warriors in it. The MT, the warrior OT (who will be competing with the pally on ally) and the singleton dps war. The competition is fierce, esp for the MT and dps slot.

 

This is basically a "member when" situation. You will be competing with many people who were wielding asscandy, TF, or quel'sarrars are are anxious to get back to their former glory. They have forgotten more about the encounters than you could expect to learn in the timeframe that benediction holders, core hound rogues, etc are willing to tolerate.

 

Warrior slots in raids are hyper competitive, limited, and frankly, given the average experience of the player base, you're going to be pushed to the back.

 

My advice would be mage or hunter. If you are interested in learning the content as fully as you can hunter is the way to go. You'll be part of the pulls, an integral part of of the raid with marks etc, and you'll get the closest experience to tanking because of it. But since you claim you'll be missing raids, and not dedicated (college) mages are the go to dps basically for all of vanilla.

 

If you have any intention of being competitive in the game on a "I want to see end game content" basis then you are obligated to at least twenty hours of game play/week. If you want to be a warrior, then it's much higher until at least the fourth boss in BWL.

[SpottedCow 2]

I think warrior is probably a poor choice for your first raiding character.

 

First, you're probably going to burn out on a warrior before you even hit 60.  You haven't made the commitment to 60 on any characters so far, and warriors are hands down the most miserable class to level.  I love my tank, but there's a reason I haven't made a new warrior after Nost shut down.  They have an abysmally slow kill speed, they don't handle multiple mobs at once (well, except once every 30 minutes when retaliation is up) and their gear is more expensive to buy and repair.

 

Once you hit 60, there are two options for raiding.  You can tank, or you can DPS.  Tanking requires a huge commitment.  No guild worth joining is going to give you an MT or OT spot if you cannot consistently make raids.  You might be able to get an OT2/OT3 spot, but those are usually fury warriors who have farmed up reasonable tanking gear.  For MT/OT, you need to be well-versed in tank theory.  Threat mechanics, rage mechanics, avoidance vs. mitigation vs. stacked hp and when each is appropriate, various boss strategies your guild might want to use, etc.  It's very rewarding (both emotionally and in terms of loot), but it's a lot of work as well.  If you want to DPS instead, Fury warriors do great damage... if you're geared.  But while every class depends on gearing for optimal DPS, Fury warriors are the most gear dependent.  Also, as a fury warrior, you may be expected to keep a set of tanking gear for fights where you need 3 or 4 tanks.  Your DPS gear is not going to work for those occasions, because your ideal DPS gear is mostly leather.  So it means farming up and carrying around 2 sets of gear as well as being passably conversant with the theorycrafting for both fury and prot.

If you're looking for something to experience end-game content, Druid is a good choice.  Most of the time, there's a shortage of raid druids, which makes getting a spot easy, even if you're not experienced and can't make a full-time commitment (and seriously, there are enough people out there who have raided in vanilla or on p-servers AND can make all the raids that getting a raid spot without either of those is kinda tough).  Since druids are in short supply, it means getting gear in raids is pretty easy as well.  Hard not to collect gear when you have no one to roll against.

[Demonthese 0]

No. For a multiple number of reasons:

Tanks are jealous spiteful assholes, and they deserve to be. There are only two reasons to be a warrior: MT and the one dps warrior that goes nuts farming and prepping for raids to get the gear that dominates pvp. There is no other flex. A good guild that is going to be able to gear out characters has no use for more than three warriors in it. The MT, the warrior OT (who will be competing with the pally on ally) and the singleton dps war. The competition is fierce, esp for the MT and dps slot.

This is basically a "member when" situation. You will be competing with many people who were wielding asscandy, TF, or quel'sarrars are are anxious to get back to their former glory. They have forgotten more about the encounters than you could expect to learn in the timeframe that benediction holders, core hound rogues, etc are willing to tolerate.

Warrior slots in raids are hyper competitive, limited, and frankly, given the average experience of the player base, you're going to be pushed to the back.

My advice would be mage or hunter. If you are interested in learning the content as fully as you can hunter is the way to go. You'll be part of the pulls, an integral part of of the raid with marks etc, and you'll get the closest experience to tanking because of it. But since you claim you'll be missing raids, and not dedicated (college) mages are the go to dps basically for all of vanilla.

If you have any intention of being competitive in the game on a "I want to see end game content" basis then you are obligated to at least twenty hours of game play/week. If you want to be a warrior, then it's much higher until at least the fourth boss in BWL.

So the competition will be fierce, but if you are head strong enough and will to learn you can go far. There is no time like right ваууing now to start tanking. Having a bit of the "FU this is how things are going to be" attitude will help too.

There are way more than 3 spots available for warriors in raids btw. 3-4 depending on raid for just tanks is recommended then more fury warriors if dos permits. Lets not forget 4 horsemen that takes a minimum of 4 geared tanks. 8 tanks was how they were originally downed.

[Undertanker 88]

@Device

You continue to give incorrect information based off of your retail experiences.

Please spot for the better of the community.

@OP You can expect 3-4 tanks per raid.

There are usually 12-14 melee spots in raid. So if you bring 7 rogues, you have room for 5-7 fury warriors. 1 less if you bring a feral.

You don't need to PvP to be successful in PVE, though it does give you a nice head start. PVE gear catches up.

[taladril 43]

4 dedicated warrior tanks is really overkill. 3 is pushing it but ok I guess if you want some depth for emergencies. Those last spots are much more efficient to have a feral or pull a fury into really.