I'm OK with weeks of DDOS

[cybaster 31]

As a result of draconian VPN and country IP blocking and banning.  I can wait.  I'm not in any hurry.  I just want to play without those people, even if that means I don't get to play until February or March.

[Worldstar 36]

Same. It's for the good of the server.

Edited January 5, 2017 by Worldstar

[Lawinn 9]

Also something we might forget, but there WAS lag-spikes back in the days of Retail Vanilla, and server capacity was maybe around 3k, certainly not 11k.

I see a lot of people crying about DDoS, but these people have no idea how good the server is handling such pressure (both DDoS and the 11k people).

[Tjaz 11]

I fully agree. Rather have some downtime then those idiots.

[arbet 9]

I have waited 6 years to return to the real WoW so I'm in no hurry either. Haven't yet decided if I'm gonna play in the first few weeks tbh.

[Sneaky 0]

21 minutes ago, arbet said:

I have waited 6 years to return to the real WoW so I'm in no hurry either. Haven't yet decided if I'm gonna play in the first few weeks tbh.

How can i like your post? :D

[Oakenlix 79]

I guess the problem isn't as much in possibility of DDOS, it's more that banning whole country could be both unfair and ineffective as far as the goldselling goes.

There could be plenty of normal decent Chinese players same as good chunk of non-Chinese goldsellers.

[Worldstar 36]

4 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

I guess the problem isn't as much in possibility of DDOS, it's more that banning whole country could be both unfair and ineffective as far as the goldselling goes.

There could be plenty of normal decent Chinese players same as good chunk of non-Chinese goldsellers.

For the minority of chinese that are actually playing the game, we can't even communicate with them. They should play on a chinese private server where everyone can communicate.

 

Another solution would be to allow vpn approval on an individual account basis. This would let the chinese who legitimately play still be able to play.

[Lawinn 9]

8 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

For the minority of chinese that are actually playing the game, we can't even communicate with them. They should play on a chinese private server where everyone can communicate.

 

8 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

For the minority of chinese that are actually playing the game

 

9 minutes ago, Worldstar said:

minority of chinese

 

[Jeddite 9]

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"but but but but wut wut wut wut about <BU GU SHI REN SHEN XIAO XIAO NI HAO> players -- who I do not and cannot interact with -- who aren't gold-sellers wut wut wut wut about about about t-t-t-t-them"

millennial cucks who are terrified of being called "RAYCISSISMIST"

 

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(XIAO players are a nationality, NOT a race -- tardshits)

 

[Swineflu 18]

No thanks. 95% of the chinese players play legit.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

Just now, Swineflu said:

No thanks. 95% of the chinese players play legit.

Hahhahahhahahahahhahahhaha.... oh my god tears! Thanks, I needed this laugh today!!!!

[DamirH 3]

7 minutes ago, Swineflu said:

No thanks. 95% of the chinese players play legit.

So based on the number of gold sellers there are, extrapolating that to how many legit Chinese players are on the server... you mean to tell me I'm the only non-Chinese person online at the time?

[Swineflu 18]

Just now, DamirH said:

So based on the number of gold sellers there are, extrapolating that to how many legit Chinese players are on the server... you mean to tell me I'm the only non-Chinese person online at the time?

No, but atleast 60% of the goldsellers on private servers are eastern european. And most of them get their gold from private sellers that sell gold to the gold sellers. These private sellers are usually no lifers that play on the realms.

[DamirH 3]

1 minute ago, Swineflu said:

No, but atleast 60% of the goldsellers on private servers are eastern european. And most of them get their gold from private sellers that sell gold to the gold sellers. These private sellers are usually no lifers that play on the realms.

Yesterday's hack, regardless how morally questionable it was, showed thousands upon thousands of transactions to Chinese gold selling websites. Are you claiming that those are the minority of gold transactions?

Every shred of evidence points toward one thing and you claim another. Thus, I'll have to see some proof of your 60% figure.

[neolitejukebox 0]

Many of the "chinese" gold sites buy/sell gold and don't actually farm it themselves .

Also Many of these "chinese" gold sellers aren't chinese at all :D

Want to stop gold sellers ? Stop gold buying !

The "lets ban all the chinese" has as much logic as a "Lets ban all US " Since US players are one of the most active gold buyers !!! Both of these are non-logical statements.

With that said , does anyone have proof of DDoS to any server made by "gold sellers" ? And I don't mean a twitter statement, you know ... ACTUAL proof ?

So you want to ban a whole country just because ( even though it's painfully obvious it wont help or change anything ) and then you go "they DDoS"  ... DDoS is truly the new " Dog ate my homework".
But even ignoring the "DDoS ate my homework" , the "lets ban china" just shows a lot of ignorance and scaremongering.

[DamirH 3]

3 minutes ago, neolitejukebox said:

Many of the "chinese" gold sites buy/sell gold and don't actually farm it themselves .

Also Many of these "chinese" gold sellers aren't chinese at all :D

Want to stop gold sellers ? Stop gold buying !

The "lets ban all the chinese" has as much logic as a "Lets ban all US " Since US players are one of the most active gold buyers !!! Both of these are non-logical statements.

With that said , does anyone have proof of DDoS to any server made by "gold sellers" ? And I don't mean a twitter statement, you know ... ACTUAL proof ?

So you want to ban a whole country just because ( even though it's painfully obvious it wont help or change anything ) and then you go "they DDoS"  ... DDoS is truly the new " Dog ate my homework".
But even ignoring the "DDoS ate my homework" , the "lets ban china" just shows a lot of ignorance and scaremongering.

Gold buyers are already banned with extreme prejudice, catching many legit players in the cross-fire. The difference between banning a gold buyer and a gold seller is that the latter loses nothing .They just make a new account and go on their merry way. Banning individual accounts of them is ineffective. This PC tolerance only hurts the legit player base, no one else. These people you defend just laugh at you and call you useful idiots.

Also, I have yet to see proof that most gold sellers aren't Chinese.

Edited January 5, 2017 by DamirH

[Faith 5]

If the DDoS goes away.. but it's not just Asia.

[Swineflu 18]

Just now, DamirH said:

Yesterday's hack, regardless how morally questionable it was, showed thousands upon thousands of transactions to Chinese gold selling websites. Are you claiming that those are the minority of gold transactions?

Every shred of evidence points toward one thing and you claim another. Thus, I'll have to see some proof of your 60% figure.

First of all, just because a chinese site ends up being the "end-seller" does not mean that they farmed the gold, or even have anything to do with the transaction itself. Most of the time they will tell the actual gold seller (I.E the person that has farmed the gold) which auctions to buy on AH. There is no way to actually punish the gold sites because  they never even log onto the game except to multibox to level 8 and then spam adverts. If you actually wanna see for yourself, It's very easy to get a hold of the skype info of the majority of the real gold sellers just by browsering any of the sites such as ownedcore or epicnpc. Most of them are based in Russia or other eastern european countries. A few of them are based in western countries like Sweden and the U.S.

Punishing the legit Chinese players that have done nothing wrong is just not an efficient way of getting rid of gold sellers. Aslong as there is demand for selling gold, someone will be doing it.

[neolitejukebox 0]

2 minutes ago, DamirH said:

Gold buyers are already banned with extreme prejudice, catching many legit players in the cross-fire. The difference between banning a gold buyer and a gold seller is that the latter loses nothing .They just make a new account and go on their merry way. Banning individual accounts of them is ineffective. This PC tolerance only hurts the legit player base, no one else. These people you defend just laugh at you and call you useful idiots.

 

Stop trying to converge the "PC" and "useful idiots" that you learned from Yuri Bezmenov ;)

This has nothing to do with it. The fact is , you are stating "they DDoS the server" without ANY proof.

If you do believe the statement " ban ALL china cause they sell gold" then the statement "ban all US cause they are the main gold buyers" also should make sense, they don't for me ...

As I'v stated , most of those sites do not "FARM" , they buy gold from farmers.

Stop conflating this with "pc culture" ;P It has nothing to do with it.

Edited January 5, 2017 by neolitejukebox

[Oakenlix 79]

1 hour ago, Jeddite said:

millennial cucks who are terrified of being called "RAYCISSISMIST"

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(XIAO players are a nationality, NOT a race -- tardshits)

You do realise you just assumed people defend decent Chinese players only because they're afraid of being called racist, and then you argued that Chinese aren't a race when it was you who assumed it in the first place? 

 

[Faith 5]

True and also why I lean towards this being a bad option. Gold sellers don't bother me thx to spamThrottle. I just want gold buyers and cheaters in any game to burn endlessly, forever endlessly.. in the pits of HELL!

[DamirH 3]

4 minutes ago, Swineflu said:

First of all, just because a chinese site ends up being the "end-seller" does not mean that they farmed the gold, or even have anything to do with the transaction itself. Most of the time they will tell the actual gold seller (I.E the person that has farmed the gold) which auctions to buy on AH. There is no way to actually punish the gold sites because  they never even log onto the game except to multibox to level 8 and then spam adverts. If you actually wanna see for yourself, It's very easy to get a hold of the skype info of the majority of the real gold sellers just by browsering any of the sites such as ownedcore or epicnpc. Most of them are based in Russia or other eastern european countries. A few of them are based in western countries like Sweden and the U.S.

Punishing the legit Chinese players that have done nothing wrong is just not an efficient way of getting rid of gold sellers. Aslong as there is demand for selling gold, someone will be doing it.

So you're saying the drug dealer isn't responsible for the drugs he sells just because he has his lackeys do the transactions and because he's importing it from overseas?

2 minutes ago, neolitejukebox said:

 

Stop trying to converge the "PC" and "useful idiots" that you learned from Yuri Bezmenov ;)

This has nothing to do with it. The fact is , you are stating "they DDoS the server" without ANY proof.

If you do believe the statement " ban ALL china cause they sell gold" then the statement "ban all US cause they are the main gold buyers" also should make sense, they don't for me ...

As I'v stated , most of those sites do not "FARM" , they buy gold from farmers.

Stop conflating this with "pc culture" ;P It has nothing to do with it.

Nice assumption there, I a) don't know who Yuri bezmenov is and b) never even mention DDoS. The fact of the matter is that you are defending the mediator of these transactions as I've said above at the expense of the VAST MAJORITY of the legit player base. 

At the end of the day, the most innocent party here are the gold buyers and they get punished most rigorously. Give someone an easy option to do something and they will do it. In retail WoW you can still look for a party in /2 and walk to a dungeon but no one does that because the LFG tool is readily and conveniently available. You are punishing people for their human nature, instead of punishing the enablers and exploiters of that human nature.

And lastly, what does "converging the PC and useful idiots" sentence even mean? It doesn't invalidate a single point made by it, you ARE a useful idiot to them.

[Swineflu 18]

Just now, DamirH said:

So you're saying the drug dealer isn't responsible for the drugs he sells just because he has his lackeys do the transactions and because he's importing it from overseas?

 

No, what I'm saying is that the real problem is gold buying, not selling. And pinning it all on the chinese is moronic. By your logic we should ban all europeans from the server because there's a ton of european gold sellers.

[neolitejukebox 0]

12 minutes ago, DamirH said:

So you're saying the drug dealer isn't responsible for the drugs he sells just because he has his lackeys do the transactions and because he's importing it from overseas?

Nice assumption there, I a) don't know who Yuri bezmenov is and b) never even mention DDoS. The fact of the matter is that you are defending the mediator of these transactions as I've said above at the expense of the VAST MAJORITY of the legit player base. 

At the end of the day, the most innocent party here are the gold buyers and they get punished most rigorously. Give someone an easy option to do something and they will do it. In retail WoW you can still look for a party in /2 and walk to a dungeon but no one does that because the LFG tool is readily and conveniently available. You are punishing people for their human nature, instead of punishing the enablers and exploiters of that human nature.

And lastly, what does "converging the PC and useful idiots" sentence even mean? It doesn't invalidate a single point made by it, you ARE a useful idiot to them.

I though you knew were that expression ( useful idiots ) came from , though you weren't just copypasting it arround :P

So the "lets ban all US since they are the main gold sellers " is also a good way to prevent gold selling for you I guess :)

You can try to reason with it as much as you want, but you have many chinese players logging in just to play.

So now I state " Lets ban all US since they are gold buyers " are you against this ? if you are , you are a "useful idiot"

Are you against banning ALL US , since they are the main gold buyers ?

I see you stating " At the end of the day, the most innocent party here are the gold buyers and they get punished most rigorously. "
So you are "sad" about the "poor" gold buyers .... but you want to ban ALL china !!!

That logic of "then your a useful idiot" doesn't work now does it.

I don't understand how can you be so agressive "lets ban all china and those who don't agree are useful idiots " then go " poor gold buyers , the most innocent !! " ...

So take a stance , are you defending the gold buyers cause you want more gold buyers ? are you also an useful idiot ?
....

See how this can be played on both sides ?

No one has proof of DDoS coming from them , if ppl here that take so much time to talk and point fingers, took time to check how gold sellers operate ( or look at some forums like swineflu pointed out ) maybe they would understand how this is pointless and ignorant scaremongering and will mainly hit actual innocent players.

BTW for me "innocent players" are the ones the didn't BUY or SELL gold ;) unlike for you and your "poor innocent gold buyers "

Edited January 5, 2017 by neolitejukebox