Our official response to Nostalrius — Elysium will prevail!

[Wirt 8]

14 minutes ago, Aveton said:

Probably Elysium have no clear answer to this at this moment. I hope they will answer to us when they find out what just happened to Nostalrius team and what they should do. 

They know exactly what has happened. That's the reason they decided to run us over by deciding what to do without the community's consent. The leaked document clearly confirms this.

[Count Chocula 0]

What consent do they need from the community?   Its their project and their server. Don't like it, go back to Kronus.

[Wirt 8]

36 minutes ago, Count Chocula said:

What consent do they need from the community?   Its their project and their server. Don't like it, go back to Kronus.

You're missing the point. Both Nostalrius and Elysium are aware of that their decisions would be frowned upon by the community. It's obvious that there's something else going on behind the scenes.

Edit: Nostalrius has now locked the announcement topic over at their forums. Except from Viper's initial post not a single staff member has posted over there. The hatred against the thugs lasted for 29 hours until they couldn't take no more.

Edited January 15, 2017 by Wirt
Update

[pikapika 1]

My theory is that these servers are not to be played on and the nostalgia is for the back end admins who used to

work at blizz and serviced the servers and they miss the server administration thus the reason for all the down time 

this gives them BARD status so while in the server room they can sit with other admins as they go about rebooting the servers and defragging them as they get drunk.

 

[Orocnogu 8]

You guys with your conspiracy theories do realize that these desicions aren't made on a whim and momentarily? Ofcourse Elysium team was notified by Nost team in confidence prior to that raving-mad announcement from Nost. Ofcourse Elysium have prepared a draft of an answer - the infamous "leaked document". Nost needed a way out, they got it with Elysium's help. This whole shebang was a smokescreen for Nost to get out and Elysium to carry on, being less avaliable for legal pressure from Blizz.
My condolences to those who lost their characters to oblivion when old Nost character base was deleted, but overall, in my opinion, this "transition" was handled fairly well, all things considered.

[Wirt 8]

33 minutes ago, Orocnogu said:

You guys with your conspiracy theories do realize that these desicions aren't made on a whim and momentarily? Ofcourse Elysium team was notified by Nost team in confidence prior to that raving-mad announcement from Nost. Ofcourse Elysium have prepared a draft of an answer - the infamous "leaked document". Nost needed a way out, they got it with Elysium's help. This whole shebang was a smokescreen for Nost to get out and Elysium to carry on, being less avaliable for legal pressure from Blizz.
My condolences to those who lost their characters to oblivion when old Nost character base was deleted, but overall, in my opinion, this "transition" was handled fairly well, all things considered.

Are you serious? Blizzard wouldn't dare shut down any private servers. And how many other private server hosts haven't received these threat letters? From history we learn that Goliath shouldn't mess with David. It's not unthinkable that Blizzard adventures hundred of thousands of subscriptions if they would carry this out. Fine Brothers from Youtube are a good example for what can happen when greed takes over.

If this truly was a smokescreen to get Nostalrius out of Blizzard's grasp then we would have Elysium condoning Nostalrius for its obnoxious demands. Instead everything points to that they're in collusion due to the fact that they're complying to them. And then there's of course the leaked letter which further proves it has all been choreographed.

[Trinitron 54]

 

[Orocnogu 8]

Yes, I am serious, and you are trying too hard. Again, I deem your theory to be unnecessarily complicated and based on fiction. There is much more plausible and simple explanation. Nost is in eurozone, legally, where there are actually working and enforced copyright laws in the internet. Elysium isn't. Nost pretends to demand idiotic things like servers shutdown. Elysium pretends to say "how about no". Everything is renamed. Everything that matters stays in place. Nost has its попа legally covered, to an extent.

Maybe I failed to understand what is exactly your problem here, but you seem to be very, very driven to convince everybody that "Elysium is baaad, mkay". Care to elaborate your concerns? What "compliance" actions of Elysium led you to build this theory of yours? What problem do you have with the way things are? This is a genuine invitation to have a mature, calm discussion without excessive emotions and projectile feces all around.

[Weazool 1]

Sad to see so few people posting something that's actually worth reading on the topic and so many rabid dogs barking ad biting away at the hand that once fed them. 41 pages of mostly hateful replies certainly shows how dissapointingly thoughtless the "community" really is. 

Hope this puts Nost devs in the clear. I for one thank them for everything they tried to do so far

[Muscul 0]

They call us pirates, so we are like

[Wirt 8]

2 hours ago, Orocnogu said:

Maybe I failed to understand what is exactly your problem here, but you seem to be very, very driven to convince everybody that "Elysium is baaad, mkay". Care to elaborate your concerns? What "compliance" actions of Elysium led you to build this theory of yours? What problem do you have with the way things are? This is a genuine invitation to have a mature, calm discussion without excessive emotions and projectile feces all around.

Except from the connectivity issues we've been having I think their vanilla servers are great. The problem I have with Elysium is the fact that just like Nostalrius they're not letting the community know what the hell is going on.

Nostalrius could've told us all about Blizzard's threat letters and give us an opportunity to come to a sane conclusion. Instead they started buttlicking Blizzard by shutting down their servers in hope they'd get paid positions in a "legacy servers" team. And lets not talk about their cringeworthy t-shirt campaigns...

Elysium is up to shady stuff with Nostalrius. They both advocate these "official legacy servers" by Blizzard. Also the leaked letter and the fact that Elysium is submitting to Nostalrius' demands speaks for itself. They're not with us.

 

[Muscul 0]

Jzzzz,enjoy the game, care of real life.

[Smula 0]

Thanks Elysium-Team, for your great work!

And many thanks for beeing not that naive :P

We love u ;)

Edited January 16, 2017 by Smula

[Sauronn 311]

4 часа назад, Wirt сказал:

Also the leaked letter and the fact that Elysium is submitting to Nostalrius' demands speaks for itself. They're not with us.

You know nothing.

I played 5 years in last Elysium server (Valkyrie), and i know his politics.

He delete only NOT transfered data. This is not about actual played accounts.

They're WITH us!

[Insa 7]

What about Nost characters that havent been transfered yet. Does it mean they could never get into Anathema?

[DRAGUNOV88 1]

All of those players myself included joined on the promise of Nost being live again if you are just going for another coding this will set the development back. With that step there is nothing that sets you apart from any other wow private server and you won't be able to keep the players. I want to ask you this did Blizzard threaten you because I have the feeling we don't see the whole story. Because I'm 100% shure that the creators of Nost got threatened with legal action.

And another one . How is changing the source code in our best interest ?

Edited January 16, 2017 by DRAGUNOV88

[Apophis 1]

26 minutes ago, DRAGUNOV88 said:

And another one . How is changing the source code in our best interest ?

If its their own code, they do not have to answer to anything Nost is saying anymore.

My guess is the Elysium team already anticipated that something like this might happen, thus co-developed their own core further just in case.

[Gehere 8]

25 minutes ago, Dentelan said:

They dont have to answer them anything even now. Nost source code is god damn pirate product! What will they do if Elysium continues tu use it?Court? Dont make me laugh. I want to know reason why cant Elysium continue to use Nost core, they have nothing to prevent it.

Except ethics and morals..

[Ragingducks 9]

The current Nostalrius team have been nothing but a huge let down. Their announcement seems to be have been written by Blizzard themselves.

Elysium is the last hope for the WoW legacy community. If Elysium fails, legacy WoW can be buried for good.

[Wirt 8]

4 hours ago, Sauronn said:

You know nothing.

I played 5 years in last Elysium server (Valkyrie), and i know his politics.

He delete only NOT transfered data. This is not about actual played accounts.

They're WITH us!

They're deleting all character related data from characters not redeemed through tokens. I'm pretty sure Elysium could redeem those characters themselves if they wanted. And if not they could set pressure on Nostalrius to restart the transferring service which they shut down without warning. Instead Elysium isn't even condoning this.

Edit:

36 minutes ago, Gehere said:

Except ethics and morals..

If anything Elysium is being unethical by destroying all our characters related data. Elysium was handed a gift by Nostalrius and you don't simply comply and withdraw your gifts. You should also take into consideration that people from Nostalrius are working with Elysium aswell.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Wirt
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[Orocnogu 8]

9 часов назад, Wirt сказал:

Elysium is up to shady stuff with Nostalrius. They both advocate these "official legacy servers" by Blizzard. Also the leaked letter and the fact that Elysium is submitting to Nostalrius' demands speaks for itself.

You keep saying this but it has literally no substance. The "leaked reply" was prepared in advance because this was planned in advance. The "official legacy advocating" at this point is pretty much just a tradition.

All the other stuff you say has absolutely no basis. Please, provide one? Which "demands" ELysium had submitted to?

It does not "speaks for itself". You should articulate your concerns, because I, for one, don't share them in the slightest. Maybe I should, or maybe they are not that valid concerns.

[Orocnogu 8]

7 минут назад, Wirt сказал:

They're deleting all character related data from characters not redeemed through tokens. I'm pretty sure Elysium could redeem those characters themselves if they wanted. And if not they could set pressure on Nostalrius to restart the transferring service which they shut down without warning. Instead Elysium isn't even condoning this.

Okay, remember how those game providers alvays say "Our employee will NEVER ask for your password blah blah blah"? That's because your account and it's connection to your characters are password-protected and known only to you. Hence the whole token system: character database is encrypted. and a token is required to correspond the account with characters. So, no, Elysium could not "redeem those characters" - or, rather, those characters existed, but with no player's account at Elysium servers to claim them as their own. I'm sure you see there is no way for Elysium to restore ALL the characters by creating all the accounts they used to belong to.

As for "setting pressure on Nost to restart the transfer" - come on, that's just stupid talk. First of all, to apply pressure one needs leverage. Secondly, the whole point of Nost's actions was to shut down any and all of their illegal activities, and the transfer is a big no-no here and very easily detected and monitored.

You keep trying to throw stones at Elysium. While I am all up for rational concern and healthy criticism, your posts and your persistence go waaaaay past that.

[Orocnogu 8]

6 минут назад, Vorkreist сказал:

Elysium just quickly caved to the absurd demand of Nost without any clear reasons.

*sigh* what absurd demand exactly did Elysium so quickly cave to? How do you see it being different?
Without these things your comment is just hatemongering without any clear reason.

[Wirt 8]

3 minutes ago, Orocnogu said:

You keep saying this but it has literally no substance. The "leaked reply" was prepared in advance because this was planned in advance. The "official legacy advocating" at this point is pretty much just a tradition.

You're saying it has zero substance and at the same time you're pointing out what should raise doubts to all of us. Who's managing the levers at your headquarters?

All the other stuff you say has absolutely no basis. Please, provide one? Which "demands" ELysium had submitted to?

I've already clarified more than enough what Elysium submitted themselves to. Here are several quotes from their official response to Nostalrius:

On 2017-01-14 at 6:40 PM, Shenna said:

Over the course of the next several weeks we will discontinue use of the Nostalrius core.

 

 

On 2017-01-14 at 6:40 PM, Shenna said:

All characters that have existed in the game world since Elysium’s launch until now will be maintained and all Nostalrius specific data will be wiped.

 

On 2017-01-14 at 6:40 PM, Shenna said:

All future Nostalrius related data will be denied.

 

[Wirt 8]

14 minutes ago, Orocnogu said:

So, no, Elysium could not "redeem those characters" - or, rather, those characters existed, but with no player's account at Elysium servers to claim them as their own. I'm sure you see there is no way for Elysium to restore ALL the characters by creating all the accounts they used to belong to.

I'm not into this. All I know is that I can still add my old characters and friends old characters to my friendlist. Elysium would have to answer wether they had the power to restore our characters prior to them wiping out all Nostalrius related data that wasn't transferred through the token service. And if they didn't it doesn't matter. They had no ambitions whatsoever to get them back, which the leaked response and their, within hours, actions to wipe the data out testifies for.

14 minutes ago, Orocnogu said:

As for "setting pressure on Nost to restart the transfer" - come on, that's just stupid talk. First of all, to apply pressure one needs leverage. Secondly, the whole point of Nost's actions was to shut down any and all of their illegal activities, and the transfer is a big no-no here and very easily detected and monitored.

If Elysium had the balls they'd be on our side and condone Nostalrius for shutting down the character transferring service without warning. Also you're just parroting the silly idea that Nostalrius' is held at gunpoint by Blizzard. It's ridiculous. They would never carry out a witch hunt on these guys. That would smear them as bullies and as such they'd lose a considerable amount of subscriptions.