Horde Mage Beerwizzard ninjas Stockade Pauldrons

[Oakenlix 79]

2 hours ago, The Fapmonsoon said:

Just so I know if I need to petition to have you blacklisted also - Since you are ok with ninja's and all.

Please add me to whatever list you can, so that I don't accidentally end up in a group with braindead moronic assholes like yourself.

 Oakenlix, Alliance, Elysium PvP. Thank you.

[The Fapmonsoon 14]

You're alliance, i dont have to. Its cool though, you can still try to justify fucking people over. But as Cephei has stated, dude who did this has already been booted from 2 guilds. That means at least 2 guilds so far agree. Wonder how many guilds it will take before he finds one that agrees its ok to ninja someone. 

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

Dwarves need gold too. They have treasure sense as a racial. Treasure = gold = need!

 

Seriously though, clearly the pauldrons shoulve gone to the warr based on actual need. Stop with the selfish, ignorant, extremist Liberal views of greed!

[Beerwizzard 13]

8 часов назад, The Fapmonsoon сказал:

 

 You are GREEDY. There is the difference that you cant seem to get through your head.  

Okay, i'll try to explane it one last time. Gold (the money) is a commodity that commonly used to trade it for other ones. No one can use gold, no one ever seen someone thet equipped dold etc. Though the gold is used to buy something we dont have, like gear, flasks, mats, whatever. We cant have anything in one time so we NEED this gold to get the other gear. Thats how it works irl, you saying that no one NEEDS money (fucking comunist) but the money (golds ingame) are  because of their value and liquidity (if you still have the same thoughts about money irl then pm me ur bank account, you dont need it).

When the warrior is rolling a boe technicly he dont need the item because if he did he could already get it on the AH whenever he wanted. He is rolling the item's gold value because he simply to GREEDy to buy it on the AH.

P.S. If you still have any questions feel free to ask it but if you still dont get the elementary basics of the economy then you are dumb.

[cybaster 31]

Whatever rationale you want to use here, it's a trashy thing to do, and it visibly upsets people.  I think most folks want to know who's willing to do this kind of thing.  If that doesn't match the idea of a blacklist, what the hell does?

[Beerwizzard 13]

1 час назад, cybaster сказал:

Whatever rationale you want to use here, it's a trashy thing to do, and it visibly upsets people.  I think most folks want to know who's willing to do this kind of thing.  If that doesn't match the idea of a blacklist, what the hell does?

If the guy is crying and insulting you however he can then he totaly deserve being upset.

[Mokes 1]

2 hours ago, Beerwizzard said:

If the guy is crying and insulting you however he can then he totaly deserve being upset.

Do you have any proof of me insulting you prior to you taking the Stockade Pauldrons just so you could sell them? Cause I'm looking back through the chat logs... Looks to me like I was just asking nicely that you trade me the item because I really need it as opposed to you just wanting the gold from selling them.

Let me add that you went afk for 10 or 15 minutes right before this happened. The group kindly waited for you to do whatever you were doing. Robes of the Archmage pattern actually dropped while you were afk and you didn't even notice.

 

And like I said in the original post, need rolling on the item isn't the major issue. It's keeping it and laughing about taking something that another player actually needs, not for monetary gain but for equipping and using them. What you did basically created another instance of an item that will sit on the auction house or in your bank, not being used by any tank, not making the game easier for EVERYONE involved. Yes everyone; a tank that dies because they have green items often leads to the rest of the group also dying. A better geared tank makes runs smoother for everyone involved.

There is a reason the tank items on the auction house aren't being bought up really quickly. It's because tanks are one of the hardest classes to make gold playing as.

 

 

Let's do a little math here. (Using rough estimates based on the prices I have seen over the past week for items not currently on the AH)

Medallion of Grand Marshal Morris (Tank BiS neck) - 250g

Stockade Pauldrons (Tank BiS shoulders) - 350g

Stonegrip Gauntlets (Tank BiS gloves) - 390g

Boots of Avoidance (Tank BiS boots) - 135g

+22 Fire Resistance ring (Tank BiS ring for MC) - 105g

Alcor's Sunrazor (Tank BiS weapon) - 1400g

That ends up being a total price of 2630 gold.

 

I'm not saying this is an exact amount but it gives you a general idea of how much money a dedicated tank would spend on BoE BiS items.

Combine this with the fact that we can not AoE farm to make 200g per hour, it really makes tanking one of the most financially difficult roles in the game.

Now this is just my opinion of course, some people would say just get professions and farm black lotus or go mine ore. But that would mean one less tank to join your group and help you get the gear you need.

So how can a tank make money while actually tanking? Charge people for runs? Reserve Righteous Orbs in Strat Live? These are all things that hinge on players actually willing to pay for the services, and the amount people pay is usually quite low. 10 to 20 gold for a run. Very few players will agree to a tank taking all of the Righteous Orbs so we have to settle for just reserving the first one that drops, then the rest are rolled out. This is also only going to net you about 20g a run unless you get lucky and win all of the other orbs that drop. These runs generally take 1 or 2 hours. That's about 10 to 20 gold per hour.

So clearly the value of a tank item is NOT the same for a class that cannot even equip it, because the gold per hour threshold is so completely different depending on what class you play.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Mokes

[Beerwizzard 13]

34 минуты назад, Mokes сказал:

Do you have any proof of me insulting you previous to you taking the Stockade Pauldrons just so you could sell them? Cause I'm looking back through the chat logs... Looks to me like I was just asking nicely that you trade me the item because I really need it as opposed to you just wanting the gold from selling them.

Let me add that you went afk for 10 or 15 minutes right before this happened. The group kindly waited for you to do whatever you were doing. Robes of the Archmage pattern actually dropped while you were afk and you didn't even notice.

 

And like I said in the original post, need rolling on the item isn't the major issue. It's keeping it and laughing about taking something that another player actually needs, not for monetary gain but for equipping and using them. What you did basically created another instance of an item that will sit on the auction house or in your bank, not being used by any tank, not making the game easier for EVERYONE involved. Yes everyone; a tank that dies because they have green items often leads to the rest of the group also dying. A better geared tank makes runs smoother for everyone involved.

There is a reason the tank items on the auction house aren't being bought up really quickly. It's because tanks are one of the hardest classes to make gold playing as.

 

 

Let's do a little math here. (Using rough estimates based on the prices I have seen over the past week for items not currently on the AH)

Medallion of Grand Marshal Morris (Tank BiS neck) - 250g

Stockade Pauldrons (Tank BiS shoulders) - 350g

Stonegrip Gauntlets (Tank BiS gloves) - 390g

Boots of Avoidance (Tank BiS boots) - 135g

+22 Fire Resistance ring (Tank BiS ring for MC) - 105g

Alcor's Sunrazor (Tank BiS weapon) - 1400g

That ends up being a total price of 2630 gold.

 

I'm not saying this is an exact amount but it gives you a general idea of how much money a dedicated tank would spend on BoE BiS items.

Combine this with the fact that we can not AoE farm to make 200g per hour, it really makes tanking one of the most financially difficult roles in the game.

Now this is just my opinion of course, some people would say just get professions and farm black lotus or go mine ore. But that would mean one less tank to join your group and help you get the gear you need.

So how can a tank make money while actually tanking? Charge people for runs? Reserve Righteous Orbs in Strat Live? These are all things that hinge on players actually willing to pay for the services, and the amount people pay is usually quite low. 10 to 20 gold for a run. Very few players will agree to a tank taking all of the Righteous Orbs so we have to settle for just reserving the first one that drops, then the rest are rolled out. This is also only going to net you about 20g a run unless you get lucky and win all of the other orbs that drop. These runs generally take 1 or 2 hours. That's about 10 to 20 gold per hour.

So clearly the value of a tank item is NOT the same for a class that cannot even equip it, because the gold per hour threshold is so completely different depending on what class you play.

Bro, you probably forgot how you called me a dumb fucker, a 12yr lonely autist etc. Also where is the part when you started capsing me in a grp chat? :) Im not a big fan of screenshots and i havent done any just because dont see any reasons to prove smth to someone. Simply just because i dont give a fuck about you ofter your lovely monologue xD
The item is already used by a good tank and making the game easier for someone (but not you), dont warry. If you still didnt get the point of why i needed the item then congratulations, you are dumb. I give up trying to explane it to you or someone like you.

You should understand that i was not ur guildmate and not even your friend, dont see any good reasons to care about you financial statement. I've been playing for a tank in vanilla and i know that its not an easy job but it brings its own benefits. If you cant tank for some reason then reroll to dps spec or make a hybrid spec (at least you are not a druid), dont try to put ur financial problems on the others (btw how were u going to farm this shoulders? u rly have been waiting for it to drop? then lets hope that you will get the full list of items before naxx would be cleared). Also pre raid items for all classes are pretty expansive so why do i need my pre raid BiS less then you need yours? You still didnt get this point so go fuck yourself.

Btw if you know how to aoe grind 200g pre hr feel free to tell me this secret and i'll give you 100g after the first gph. Feel free to pm me about it, you are not in my ignore list. Otherwise you just talking bullshit one more time :)

 

Edited January 29, 2017 by Beerwizzard

[Mokes 1]

7 minutes ago, Beerwizzard said:

Bro, you probably forgot how you called me a dumb fucker, a 12yr lonely autist etc. Also where is the part when you started capsing me in a grp chat? :) Im not a big fan of screenshots and i havent done any just because dont see any reasons to prove smth to someone. Simply just because i dont give a fuck about you ofter your lovely monologue xD
The item is already used by a good tank and making the game easier for someone (but not you), dont warry. If you still didnt get the point of why i needed the item then congratulations, you are dumb. I give up trying to explane it to you or someone like you.

You should understand that i was not ur guildmate and not even your friend, dont see any good reasons to care about you financial statement. I've been playing for a tank in vanilla and i know that its not an easy job but it brings its own benefits. If you cant tank for some reason then reroll to dps spec or make a hybrid spec (at least you are not a druid), dont try to put ur financial problems on the others (btw how were u going to farm this shoulders? u rly have been waiting for it to drop? then lets hope that you will get the full list of items before naxx would be cleared). Also pre raid items for all classes are pretty expansive so why do i need my pre raid BiS less then you need yours? You still didnt get this point so go fuck yourself.

Btw if you know how to aoe grind 200g pre hr feel free to tell me this secret and i'll give you 100g after the first gph. Feel free to pm me about it, you are not in my ignore list. Otherwise you just talking bullshit one more time :)

 

If you have no proof of me calling you names than you are in fact the one spouting bullshit. Also what is the name of this tank who got the Stockade Pauldrons? I'm curious.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Mokes сказал:

If you have no proof of me calling you names than you are in fact the one spouting bullshit. Also what is the name of this tank who got the Stockade Pauldrons? I'm curious.

I dont have any proofs because im not gona prove anything to anyone (why should i? it wont change anything). You know what u've been texting me and ff you forgot ur butthurts at 6am then its ur problem.

[Flexi 12]

12 minutes ago, Mokes said:

If you have no proof of me calling you names than you are in fact the one spouting bullshit. Also what is the name of this tank who got the Stockade Pauldrons? I'm curious.

You claimed earlier that Beerwizzard went afk for 15 min. If you ask for evidence, just know it cuts both ways. He has no obligation to prove his claims unless you can prove yours.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Flexi

[Mokes 1]

Just now, Flexi said:

You claimed earlier that Beerwizzard went afk for 15 min. If you ask for evidence, just know it cuts both ways.

Ask the players who were in the group. I didn't get screenshots going that far back because I didn't expect to need to screenshot something so trivial as a player going afk for a bathroom break or something.

[Flexi 12]

1 minute ago, Mokes said:

Ask the players who were in the group. I didn't get screenshots going that far back because I didn't expect to need to screenshot something so trivial as a player going afk for a bathroom break or something.

Then dont make an unsubstantiated claim. Or if you do, dont ask other people for evidence of theirs. Its a really simple concept.

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Flexi сказал:

You claimed earlier that Beerwizzard went afk for 15 min. If you ask for evidence, just know it cuts both ways. He has no obligation to prove his claims unless you can prove yours.

Im not saying that i wasnt afking :) that was a long run (and not the 1st one)  and i said "guys i need to afk for 5 min, feel free to replace me or w8 a bit". Unfortunately i had to afk for another 5 min. Dont see any crime here, they could replace me.

[Mokes 1]

1 minute ago, Flexi said:

Then dont make an unsubstantiated claim. Or if you do, dont ask other people for evidence of theirs. Its a really simple concept.

It's not an important matter. Just something I thought I'd add. Going afk for 10 mins isn't what this thread is about, lol.

[Flexi 12]

1 minute ago, Mokes said:

It's not an important matter. Just something I thought I'd add. Going afk for 10 mins isn't what this thread is about, lol.

I dont care about the AFK. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of having one standard of evidence for yourself and one for others. But this is derailing the thread, so lets not dwell on this any further.

[Beerwizzard 13]

By the way im still waiting to hear the unique way of making 200gph.

Increathing the bet! Will pay you 100g per day of such farming. You will finaly solve all ur financial problems.

p.s. if  you are offline you can use a forum inbox :)

[Mokes 1]

I told you, AoE farming. I'm still waiting to hear the name of this tank, no I'm not going to whisper him calling him a 12 year old autist or whatever else you can come up with. I want to know because he might actually be a genuine person and a good player and we could run UBRS together sometime.

[Flexi 12]

7 minutes ago, Mokes said:

I told you, AoE farming. I'm still waiting to hear the name of this tank, no I'm not going to whisper him calling him a 12 year old autist or whatever else you can come up with. I want to know because he might actually be a genuine person and a good player and we could run UBRS together sometime.

It is not possible to AoE farm 200 gold/hour without factoring in random BoE drops. I will assume you do not know that, rather than you deliberately lying about it.

Edited January 29, 2017 by Flexi

[Mokes 1]

Just now, Flexi said:

This is not possible. I will assume you do not know that, rather than you deliberatly lying about it.

AoE farming is impossible? Man what have you been smokin'?

[Flexi 12]

1 minute ago, Mokes said:

AoE farming is impossible? Man what have you been smokin'?

I see you quoted me before the edit to my post. It is not possible to AoE farm 200 gold per hour. But you could understand that this is what I meant if you really wanted. Cant we get back to the topic now?

Edited January 29, 2017 by Flexi

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Mokes сказал:

I told you, AoE farming. I'm still waiting to hear the name of this tank, no I'm not going to whisper him calling him a 12 year old autist or whatever else you can come up with. I want to know because he might actually be a genuine person and a good player and we could run UBRS together sometime.

aoe farming? maybe you wana show me a good spot? No? Damn, another bullshit :(

I wont give you the name of the tank simply because im not writing down the names  of ppl why bought the items i sell thru the chat or ah. Anyway if i had a name i woildnt git it to you anyway to prevent different unsults from you or your friends.

[Mokes 1]

1 minute ago, Flexi said:

I see you quoted me before the edit to my post. It is not possible to AoE farm 200 gold per hour. But you could understand that this is what I meant if you really wanted. Cant we get back to the topic now?

Ah, well I could be wrong about that honestly. 200g per hour is just what I have heard from some mages who are playing on Elysium PvP. When I played a mage I could casually make about 100g per hour which is still very good.

 

[Beerwizzard 13]

Только что, Mokes сказал:

Ah, well I could be wrong about that honestly. 200g per hour is just what I have heard from some mages who are playing on Elysium PvP. When I played a mage I could casually make about 100g per hour which is still very good.

 

I would still ask you to give me the spot for 100gph. Otherwise its just bullshit :)

Cutting my offer to 50g one time.

[Oakenlix 79]

3 hours ago, Mokes said:

So clearly the value of a tank item is NOT the same for a class that cannot even equip it, because the gold per hour threshold is so completely different depending on what class you play.

Look, I completely understand why you are upset with this whole situation. This, however, doesn't mean you're right - losing a roll is always frustrating, but there's nothing more to it.

Your group got a grop of ~350 gold, and you're saying you needed it more because you are poor (=can't farm as much gold). But it's not how it works, even IRL we don't have salaries based on wealth.