Griefing Devilsaurs

[futurehendrix 2]

Sup guys,

 

so earlier that day I was trying to get at least some devilsaur leather for my pre bis raid gear. i wasnt aware of the situation in un goro but when I arrived i got told by a horde mage "you wont get shit, this is protected by cartel". I heard about devilsaur mafia earlier but I never experienced it. So when these guys where farming devilsaurs with >3 people I was of course not able to get one. Right now they kind of controlling the devilsaur item market.

I came back hours later. these guys still online. when i finally tagged one. the mage "Vargurkr" (HORDE) constantly sheeped the devilsaur so it regged full life and killed me(also HORDE). what kind of behaviour is this ? I contacted a Gm hoping the new griefing policys might do something but all he said was "sheeping is no griefing". wierd definition...

 

Right now i finally killed my first devilsaur only to get it bugged and not be able to skin it. great experience!

 

Edited February 13, 2017 by futurehendrix

[PaulyPepperoni 5]

Welcome to Vanilla? 
 

 

[Voice 2]

If you are on a PvP server, welcome to your new world )

[futurehendrix 2]

5 minutes ago, Voice said:

If you are on a PvP server, welcome to your new world )

as i wrote before, it was a horde. i wouldnt have opened a topic if it was alliance. in that case i would have killed the mage. he was horde and was griefing me as a horde, too

[szuszak 2]

yeah imo repeating sheeping mobs of the same faction should result in a ban

i would contact gm since there is a vague part about it in user agreement - if you have screen shots you might just land a ban 

[Voice 2]

I was thinking about the general mentality of the PvP servers.

[TheDruidCode 28]

These guys love "their" Devilsaurs. Rather shitty behavior. It's being looked in to they say. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/34206-sheeping-tapped-targets/?do=findComment&comment=324620

 

[futurehendrix 2]

7 hours ago, szuszak said:

yeah imo repeating sheeping mobs of the same faction should result in a ban

i would contact gm since there is a vague part about it in user agreement - if you have screen shots you might just land a ban 

I did that. That GM was not willing to help me at all. "Sheeping is no griefing". "Read the rules" was the only thing he said. Weird, if I hit up google to find the definition of griefing, its being said "1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game." Which totally happened here. Quite a letdown.

 

6 hours ago, TheDruidCode said:

These guys love "their" Devilsaurs. Rather shitty behavior. It's being looked in to they say. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/34206-sheeping-tapped-targets/?do=findComment&comment=324620

 

That is some nice info on the other hand, thanks for that!

[futurehendrix 2]

Edited February 13, 2017 by futurehendrix
Sorry for DP, failed to edit:D

[Banirr 0]

What server are u playing on?

[Oakenlix 79]

Specific cases of sheeping where its clearly intended to stop same-faction player from killing his target should definitely be considered griefing.

On the other hand, it could be difficult to prove this was the case.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Oakenlix

[futurehendrix 2]

54 minutes ago, Banirr said:

What server are u playing on?

Anathema PVP :)

 

48 minutes ago, Oakenlix said:

Specific cases of sheeping where its clearly intended to stop same-faction player from killing his target should definitely be considered griefing.

On the other hand, it could be difficult to prove this was the case.

Totally agree with you. I am glad they are concidering this atm but it is quite a shame that the GM I talked to yesterday didnt seem to be very interested in that topic...

 

Thats why I made screens. On there you can clearly see that guy casting a Sheep (the blue whiteish cast) and the devilsaur getting out of sheep, as you can see the clouds. Plus theres that combat fight chat. But in general you are right of course, if one claims that they need good proof.

[Azure 0]

The problem is, these people are intentionally doing stuff to illegitimately monopolize the market. From what I heard about Nost, there was a Horde and Alliance group working together to accomplish this goal so that they could corner everything.

The bigger thing about it is that it is ruining gameplay for a lot of people, and when it comes down to it, the few assholes really shouldn't have priority over the masses themselves. So only time will tell whether or not the GMs of Elysium make a stand to remove stuff like this. After all, people resort to gold buying and other methods, when they can't obtain loot/money themselves. This is a prime example of allowing gold farmers to exist, and giving them a reason to do so.

On the other hand, eventually people will take matters into their own hands. It may be a video game, but if people take shit so seriously as to start something like a cartel, people will just go after the players themselves. It is still considered PvP when you try to physically sabotage their machines or reveal their personal information onto the internet right? :P

[Justme 9]

Give me their names and my group will gank them for you.

[Applejax 2]

I reckon at best, you could run your rogue with rogues and hunters. When they try the sheeping stuff, you can vanish/feign death and let them die. After enough times, they might get tired of it.

[Slicy 11]

They have never considered these situations to fall under their interpretation of "griefing" as per the ToU.

If they are considered griefing at some point then I believe serious investigations need to happen first in regards to things way more important than a reagent for 2 craftable blues.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Slicy

[futurehendrix 2]

1 hour ago, Justme said:

Give me their names and my group will gank them for you.

Sup bro, as you might understand I dont have complete insight in their team but yesterday it where manly the mage "Vargurkr" which is like completly PVP equipped , the T2 Warrior "Thelegend" (controlling nearly every devilsaur leggins on our AH) and a Orc rogue whos name I dont recall. Tho I recall him saying "pay me if u want leather"... :/

 

1 hour ago, Plaguefury said:

I reckon at best, you could run your rogue with rogues and hunters. When they try the sheeping stuff, you can vanish/feign death and let them die. After enough times, they might get tired of it.

That wont happen. These guys had some very solid gear. Which actually makes me sad. Im there to farm for my pre raid bis and not for some shekels you could farm on another way while not fucking up other players...

[ironskillet2 2]

I hope Elysium devs understand this kind of monopoly behavior PROMOTES the buying of gold... They need to nip this in the butt. I mean if you lose a tag you lose a tag. but a mage constantly sheeping your target just because you were faster at tagging the mob is a dick move and should definitely be met with a suspension or bann.

[Azure 0]

5 minutes ago, ironskillet2 said:

I hope Elysium devs understand this kind of monopoly behavior PROMOTES the buying of gold... They need to nip this in the butt. I mean if you lose a tag you lose a tag. but a mage constantly sheeping your target just because you were faster at tagging the mob is a dick move and should definitely be met with a suspension or bann.

Agreed.

Eventually, it just encourages bad behaviors all around. Both in terms of people buying gold and in terms of people attacking one another in methods external to the game. I can assure you, once they piss off the wrong person, they will have some sort of financial ramifications to deal with. Anyone who works in an IT environment can tell you that there is no such thing as a safe and impenetrable source of data on the internet.

[bunbuns 5]

It's annoying as hell for sure. There's around 50-100 of these losers with their own Discord who will grief you in a variety of ways including bringing in tons of the opposite faction to camp you if they perceive you to be a threat to their farming. This was a longstanding problem on Nost, but nothing was ever done about it and I honestly wouldn't hold your breath on anything being done about it from an administrative standpoint, simply because I think any rules that addressed the problem would be difficult to enforce. There are a lot of people that hate them on both factions though, so maybe someday someone will make an effort to grief the griefers......

[Erjh8765 19]

There's only one reason to camp the devilsaurs mafia-style, and that is to make enough gold to sell to third parties for real money.

I suspect these players are also connected to gold-sellers or selling gold themselves, so GM"s should definitely look into them.

[futurehendrix 2]

22 minutes ago, Azure said:

Agreed.

Eventually, it just encourages bad behaviors all around. Both in terms of people buying gold and in terms of people attacking one another in methods external to the game. I can assure you, once they piss off the wrong person, they will have some sort of financial ramifications to deal with. Anyone who works in an IT environment can tell you that there is no such thing as a safe and impenetrable source of data on the internet.

I could actually imagine that its also chinafarmers doing their job in Ungoro. It is quite a easy way to farm gold.

 

Anyways I just tried it again only to get camped by some disgusting full t2 rogue with his priest buddy. No griefing but come on man. They should find a way to make devilsaur less attractive. By pushing the respawnrate from 15 to 5 minutes maybe. That could work easily. Market would get flooded and it wouldnt be so controlled because theyd loose interest

[Zarant 2]

This is vanilla wow and socializing is a key aspect of this game, you obviously can't farm a low supply/high demand crafting material by yourself. So instead of crying like a baby, have you ever considered asking your friends for help?

[Azure 0]

15 minutes ago, Zarant said:

This is vanilla wow and socializing is a key aspect of this game, you obviously can't farm a low supply/high demand crafting material by yourself. So instead of crying like a baby, have you ever considered asking your friends for help?

That would be the case in a normal WoW server with a normal community. The thing is... this is a private server, one that yields quite an extraordinary number of basement dwellers to boot. Sure, the issues occured in live somewhat, but they generally got crushed by the community because of such a small minority vs a much larger majority. The problem is, like minded people that got crushed like bugs there, came to places like this to live their lives as kings. I mean seriously... we have a guy who devotes his ENTIRE gaming life to ganking lowbies in STV, day in and day out. I know Spiri isn't a bot, but jesus, he operates like one tormenting players as if it is his only way to obtain lube for his man-to-hand sessions.

The way I look at it, allowing this sort of thing slowly drags things into the grave. I'd imagine Elysium likes having a player base, no? It would be against their own philosophy to just let people disappear off in droves.

 

[Suprfli6 3]

31 minutes ago, Zarant said:

This is vanilla wow and socializing is a key aspect of this game, you obviously can't farm a low supply/high demand crafting material by yourself. So instead of crying like a baby, have you ever considered asking your friends for help?

Chain sheeping mobs to grief your own faction was actionable on blizz servers. It's been that way on some private servers too, it tends to rely on whichever particular GM happens to respond to your ticket.

Also this degree of monopolization wasn't around on the vanilla server I played on, plus the populations were much lower. So claiming "vanilla" is not that relevant when it comes to this.