Lupos DPS vs Wolf DPS

[Raz87 0]

Hey guys,

 

So I've been raiding with Lupos for a few weeks now, and I know that he does Shadow Damage. However, a while ago I tested him on a druid from my guild, in a duel:

Lupos started to DPS the druid, in Night Elf-form, and everything looked fine, but as soon as the druid went into Bearform, Lupos' damage fell drastically. 

According to https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/33134-lupos-taming-guide-elysium-only, Lupos' damage is supposed to not affected by armor. This seems to be false, according to my own testing.

Not only that, but on top of that, Lupos' damage also seem to be affected by resistances. In that duel with the druid, some part of Lupos' damage was also resisted.

 

So, the question is: 

If my testing is correct, and Lupos indeed have to go through both armor and resistance of a mob (raid boss), is he even superior to an ordinary Wolf pet, which would only have to go through armor?

 

I would guess the answer would be, that an ordinary Wolf is superior, but raid buffs and debuffs on the target makes this uncertain, in my opinion. If Lupos indeed have to go through armor and resistance, that would also mean that he would benefit twice as much from the debuffs of a raid: Sunder Armor, Faerie Fire, Curse of Shadows, Improved Shadowbolt etc etc.

 

I would test this myself, but addons like DPSMate or SWStats can't seem to record pet damage. At least not when I don't attack myself. I've tried to shoot a mob only once, but my pet's damage still don't record, and by the end of combat, the addon thinks I've only done like 5 DPS that entire fight.

 

What are you guys thoughts? Any information or ideas on how to test this, or anything like that?

 

Thanks!

Raz

 

 

Edited February 17, 2017 by Raz87

[gotmilk0112 10]

You sure the druid didn't have some kind of damage reduction outside of armor?

 

Lupos *does* deal Shadow damage. He's doing exactly the tooltip damage, for me.

 

Tooltip: 72 - 93

+20% from talent and +5% from Orc racial would yield "91 - 117"

 

Which is exactly what he hits for, on any mob. Even on the rock elementals in Badlands which have VERY high armor, he still hit for the same damage.

Edited February 17, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[Raz87 0]

Well, what kind of reduction could that be? He wasn't even self-buffed.

[gotmilk0112 10]

Hell if I know. Maybe he had shadow resistance? I can't think of any reason why Lupos would ignore armor on everything except bear druids.

[meridaw 11]

could it be only in pvp and not pvm?

[Raz87 0]

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Dar&player=Druidtank

 

He was in MC-tank gear, so he could have like what? 20 shadow resistance, at most. That would not cut Lupos' damage by at least 30%.

Besides, if it was indeed resistance being the issue, you would see "(X damage resisted)" at the end of every line. I did in fact see that at some attacks, but the damage outside of that resisted damage was fluctuating very too much, to count for the small number resisted. It simply doesn't add up.

 

I should have taken a screenshot of it, but it seemed so clear when I did the test, that there seemed no point in it. 

 

could it be only in pvp and not pvm?

 

It could, and that is what I'm starting to think - Am testing both pet's damage atm. Will report results as soon as I'm done.

Edited February 17, 2017 by Raz87

[gotmilk0112 10]

Eh, dunno. Nobody else has reported anything like this, as far as I can tell.

 

Were you forgetting Furious Howl, perhaps?

 

It is true that Lupos' damage can be resisted (and even completely resisted, he does no damage against mobs that are Shadow immune) but the Shadow damage should be bypassing armor.

Edited February 17, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[Raz87 0]

Nope. It should be easy for you to see it yourself. Try and find a druid.

But with that being said, it's starting to look like a PvP-thing, only.

[gotmilk0112 10]

I don't see why Lupos would be nerfed only in PvP, unless it was a stealth change by the admins.

 

Try with other classes.

[Guybrush 11]

DPSMate does record pet damage, try giving the pet a name instead of the default "Wolf".

[Raz87 0]

PvP-only is the only answer I can think of that makes sense.

 

I just killed 20 level 55 Shardtooth Maulers in Winterspring, first with Lupos, then with a Bloodaxe Worg.

Both level 60, with Rank 8 Bite, Rank 4 Furious Howl, and Rank 3 Trueshot Aura. Growl switched off.

 

Lupos did, over 10 fights, an average of 85 DPS (4100 HP with an average of 48 sec per kill)

Bloodaxe Worg did, over 10 fights, an average of 65 DPS (4100 HP with an average of 64 sec per kill)

 

Based on this, Lupos should do about 32% more DPS than a Bloodaxe Worg. This is completely opposite of what my duel showed. I will try and test vs a warrior with and then without armor on. Stay tuned.

24 minutes ago, Guybrush said:

DPSMate does record pet damage, try giving the pet a name instead of the default "Wolf".

 

None of my pets have the default name. But they are both just shown as "Unknown" regulary nonetheless. I have no idea why you think renaming it would fix anything. Even if they are not "Unkown" the damage still isn't recorded. I really don't know what to do about it. It seems fine in raids though?

Edited February 17, 2017 by Raz87

[Raz87 0]

So, I just did a duel with a Warrior:

 

Bloodaxe Worg did 37-70 dmg per hit, and 60-120 per hit when the warrior was naked.

Lupos did an average about 140 dmg per hit, and the same when the warrior was naked.

At this point I'm really confused - Druids must be having something that reduced magic/shadow dmg in bearform, or lupos is bugged somehow in pvp.

[meridaw 11]

Maybe it is a druid shapeshifting bug. Try against the druid after he relogg.

Edited February 17, 2017 by meridaw

[Overtime 6]

Lupos did the same damage for me on warrior with shield on and off.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Overtime

[Raz87 0]

It's not with or without shield - It's with or without armor aka gear including shield.

[Drakbak 3]

While i think your Winterspring test shows a distinct damage difference, for further tests I would go without any of the abilities activating.  Test the base damage without any of the special abilities influencing results for a better sample.

Regardless, even if armor is impacting Lupos' damage, that means he's dealing equal base damage as a normal wolf.  Except raid debuffs that boost shadow damage such as Curse of Shadow, Shadow Weaving, and Imp Shadow Bolt should still be boosting his shadow-based damage.

My Lupos is still only lvl 56....going to try to grind him up to 60 for this week's raids, then maybe I can provide better input.

[Ironsides 35]

Lupos beats the shit out of any normal pet in 90%+ of situations, it doesn't take days or even minutes of testing to check this.

[Natto_Swede 0]

In wich patch did his shadow dmg get reworked to normal? Tamed Deathmaw for his 1.2 spd nut i might habe to reconsider if Lupos keeps his specials for a longer time?...

[unjkeee 1]

11 час назад, Natto_Swede сказал:

In wich patch did his shadow dmg get reworked to normal? Tamed Deathmaw for his 1.2 spd nut i might habe to reconsider if Lupos keeps his specials for a longer time?...

Its till 1.9