Shaman race question

[xSneaky 0]

So im planning on starting out as a shammy. Trying to decide on which class to go. My main concern was, would i be able to heal end game as resto if i went orc? or do i need to be a troll?

 

Thanks

[Greenkarma 1]

Orc pvp, troll pve I would say.

[gotmilk0112 10]

The racials are not gamebreaking for PvE. Horde racials are more PvP-oriented.

 

You will not be rejected from a raid for being the wrong race.

[ismeckye 7]

Orc -> enh as you are alot more up and personal.

Tauren -> ele, you basically got a another mini natures swiftness for heals (lesser healing wave as opposed to healing wave with NS) and a fullblown natures swiftness for damage (chain lightning). LHW is worth alot more as elemental as your +sp gear increases healing as well making your healing spells quite potent.

[Baxna 0]

8 hours ago, ismeckye said:

Orc -> enh as you are alot more up and personal.

Tauren -> ele, you basically got a another mini natures swiftness for heals (lesser healing wave as opposed to healing wave with NS) and a fullblown natures swiftness for damage (chain lightning). LHW is worth alot more as elemental as your +sp gear increases healing as well making your healing spells quite potent.

Nothing in the tauren part has anything to do with race....LHW is a shaman spell period.

 Mostly personal preference on choice of race. If you're looking at min/max it's pretty much whats already been said. Orc PvP, troll PvE. Tauren is in the middle. 5% extra hp doesn't hurt and warstomp is a great stun.

[фткyн 1469]

Healing is more skill than in dps, i don't think that is real choice between racial traits, so pick that race what you like more, stun resist also can save raid on a many encounters, chrommagus for example. War stomp can be handy on some trash packs and extra hp is also good, but tauren is too big, if you don't ever played on tauren i can say that is not very comfortable in close indoor dungeons like sm scholo

[ismeckye 7]

6 hours ago, Baxna said:

Nothing in the tauren part has anything to do with race....LHW is a shaman spell period.

 Mostly personal preference on choice of race. If you're looking at min/max it's pretty much whats already been said. Orc PvP, troll PvE. Tauren is in the middle. 5% extra hp doesn't hurt and warstomp is a great stun.

Hmmm, I thought its evident that I'm talking about war stomp. Having a good melee training you, warstomp + LHW/CL can be the difference between casting a critting 1,5k LHW/ 1,5k CL or dying.

So yeah, if you missed it, I was talking about war stomp

Edited February 20, 2017 by ismeckye

[Swolbie 0]

Warstomp is great but if you're considering pop on shammy I would go orc for 25% stun resist. it's HUGE for shammy 

[ShaqPack 0]

Orc all the way, none of the races really matter healing wise in pve, troll berserking is fairly over rated. With the Orc you get the axe specialization which is nice with the night fall axe, should you ever decide to go melee and raid. Tauren's warstomp + heal combo is great, but the Orc stun resist can be huge at times too. If it procs on a rogue, it pretty much ruins their game plan.

[Yxo 8068]

You can use your troll's racial ability and heal a little bit more faster, I think it is good choice for healer. So if you have >33% hp, your flesh heals' cast will have 1 sec.

[csant 3]

Troll for pve

Tauren/Orc for pvp. 

[Aethelwulf 12]

Tauren, period. Anything else is just a handicapped Shaman. Shamans have no stuns or CCs out of the box and Stompcasts are incredibly potent since they can interrupt spellcasts and guarantee 2 seconds of casting time for yourself (Lesser Healing Wave if Enhance, also Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning if Elemental) and having +5% max health is great against everything in PvP too. Taurens are hands down the best PvP race, even if you are playing Enhance spec. Elemental Shamans do have the benefit of stomping into a trinket Lightning Bolt or Chain Lightning for large amounts of damage which they can immediately follow up with a NS Lightning Bolt, but a well-timed War Stomp into a Lesser Healing Wave can also turn around fights you were otherwise losing. Beyond that, interrupting someone out of a spellcast at the right moment can also decide fights, and War Stomp can also buy time for your auto-attack to come off cooldown or for your Fire Nova totem to explode. In BGs and the like it also lets you aoe stun people whenever it gets crowded.

As for Orcs and their Hardiness, if you are worried about stuns, just carry a PvP trinket, and if you really hate getting stunned, make it a macro to use your PvP trinket and instantly follow it with a Free Action Potion (30 seconds of stun and movement impairing effect immunity). Now you're immune to stuns (and slows) and you can compensate for the loss of a health potion with a Stomp Lesser Healing Wave. This is much more reliable than counting on a random 25% chance of resisting stuns to save you. Shamans simply don't need Hardiness, and the Blood Fury racial with its 50% penalty to heals is just suicide on a self-healing class.

As for Trolls, they are awful. They are the worst Shaman racial pick by far. If your health is low enough to obtain +20% from Berserking, you would need 10 seconds of unimpeded spellcasting (in which case you should have already won) to obtain 2 extra seconds worth of spellcasting. Whereas War Stomp (which does not GCD) delivers 2 seconds of stunned time on demand to interrupt enemies and cast as you please. Even in PvE, no one cares about Berserking. It's 10 second duration on a 3 minute cooldown for 10-20% increased cast speed. The benefits are far too marginal for anyone to really care. As for their Regeneration racial, Shamans do not gear Spirit and even if they did it would still be utter trash. Not even Priests care about Regeneration (but they would care about the Troll's racial spells) and they stack the most spirit out of anyone.

[Haestingas 30]

Unlike priests, the race for shaman isn't a game breaking decision. My personal opinion is if you only want to pve resto you go troll, if you want to pvp with elemental tauren, if you want to pvp with enhancement orc.

[Stormfront 0]

Resto PvE: Doesnt matter play what you like.

PvP: Tauren

Enh PvE: Orc

[Masteridley 3]

War stomp is really great in non raid dungeons and pvp

[Drain 19]

Race means very little for raiding on a Shaman. Troll makes for the best caster with the speed buff. Tauren can take more punishment with health/resist. Orc is most ideal for swinging a nightfall (the only weapon you should swing in a raid). I'd suggest Tauren unless you don't like the cow; then you could consider the others. More health is never a bad thing, and against anything that's not a boss, you bring a nice aoe stun.

[csant 3]

I would not trade my Orc stun resist for Warstomp for shit. It has saved me so many times. Most recently against a BM hunter, I resisted his pet stun and proceeded to rape said hunter. Against Rogues I love to watch them go crazy when I resist their stuns. 

 

[Aethelwulf 12]

Equip the Shaman PvP trinket and you can break stuns on demand without depending on a 25% resist chance. Follow it with a Free Action Potion and you are also immune to stuns for the next 30 seconds. You don't need Hardiness at all. War Stomp is much, much better to have.

[csant 3]

Why the fuck would you want to spend gold on free action potions when you dont need too because you resist stuns anyway. You keep your war stomp and I will gladly keep my stun resist. 

Sure, using a FAP is nice but not game changing as resisting a stun here and there. Any smart pvp'r will counter the FAP anyway. 

The only must in pvp for an ele sham is engineering. 

[Aethelwulf 12]

On 3-5-2017 at 1:41 PM, csant said:

Why the fuck would you want to spend gold on free action potions when you dont need too because you resist stuns anyway. You keep your war stomp and I will gladly keep my stun resist.

You make it sound like Orcs resist 100% of stuns. You only have a 25% resist chance, meaning that 75% of the time, the stun will not be resisted. The point is very simple: You just don't need Hardiness to deal with Rogue stuns. You have other tools, like your PvP trinket which combined with a Free Action Potion makes all rogue stuns worthless. Free Action Potions aren't that expensive either (they're a level 30 recipe) unlike Living Action Potion (which only 5 seconds of immunity, but it can also be used to break out of stuns like a second trinket). If you just PvP trinket to break rogue stuns, you can follow it up with a Free Action Potion to make all their stuns and slows worthless though. Meanwhile Rogues are guaranteed to be in melee range so War Stomp is certain to be of use against them. Also, you get +5% maximum health, which is always nice.

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Sure, using a FAP is nice but not game changing as resisting a stun here and there.

Congratulations, this is legitimately one of the more idiotic things I have read. You are saying that a 25% chance of resisting stuns is more game changing than a 100% immunity to stuns and movement-impairing effects. Last I checked a 100% chance of resisting stuns and more is better than a 25% chance of resisting just stuns. Aside from that, War Stomp is also game changing. Being able to guarantee 2 seconds to drop a lesser healing wave on yourself (or if you are an elemental shaman, to cast Chain Lightning or Lightning Bolt) along with buying 2 more seconds for your shocks and auto-attack to come off cooldown, can easily turn around who is winning and who is dying. It also doubles as another interrupt to break an enemy's spellcast, which can also turn around fights depending on what they were attempting to cast.

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Any smart pvp'r will counter the FAP anyway

Okay, so out of enemy Warriors, Rogues, and Paladins, which of them can dispel your Free Action Potion? Because I will be truly impressed if one of them is actually wielding Serenity or you happen to be PvPing a Prot-specced Warrior doing Shield Slam, and even then you would only need 1 Water Walking on yourself to make that dispel chance completely worthless (because it would dispel the last buff, ie. Water Walking, instead of the Free Action Potion) even if there isn't a Lightning Shield for it to eat first.

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The only must in pvp for an ele sham is engineering.

So you understand the value of having grenades to cast while your enemies are stunned but you don't see why having even more stuns (War Stomp) would be so incredibly powerful? At the end of the day War Stomp is the most powerful racial for Shamans just like Nature's Swiftness is the most powerful PvP talent for Shamans. Being able to guarantee a spell-cast decides fights.

[csant 3]

You aren't going to change my mind. It is a matter of opinion and I guess there isnt a bad answer. I know I will take my stun resist over warstomp 100% of the time, nuff said. 

10 minutes ago, Aethelwulf said:

Congratulations, this is legitimately one of the more idiotic things I have read. You are saying that a 25% chance of resisting stuns is not as game changing as a 100% immunity to stuns and movement-impairing effects. Last I checked a 100% chance of resisting stuns and more is better than a 25% chance of resisting just stuns. Aside from that, War Stomp is also game changing. Being able to guarantee 2 seconds to drop a lesser healing wave on yourself (or if you are an elemental shaman, to cast Chain Lightning or Lightning Bolt) along with buying 2 more seconds for your shocks and auto-attack to come off cooldown, can easily turn around who is winning and who is dying. It also doubles as another interrupt to break an enemy's spellcast, which can also turn around fights depending on what they were attempting to cast.

Okay, so out of enemy Warriors, Rogues, and Paladins, which of them can dispel your Free Action Potion? Because I will be truly impressed if one of them is actually wielding Serenity or you happen to be PvPing a Prot-specced Warrior doing Shield Slam, and even then you would only need 1 Water Walking on yourself to make that dispel chance completely worthless (because it would dispel the last buff, ie. Water Walking, instead of the Free Action Potion) even if there isn't a Lightning Shield for it to eat first.

 

Again, you are comparing a racial to a potion. I am comparing racial to racial and to me Orc wins hands down.

Warrior - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should fear you. LOL you just wasted a potion.

Rogue - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should 1. Blind 2. Sprint 3. vanish... LOL you just wasted a potion. 

Paladins - LOL.. Paladins, nuff said. If you lose to a paladin you suck. Even if they bubble and LoH. 

Engineering is great because of grenades, nets and the kickass deathray.

 

You can keep your tauren, I will happily keep my Orc. =)  

[Aethelwulf 12]

1 hour ago, csant said:

You aren't going to change my mind. It is a matter of opinion and I guess there isnt a bad answer. I know I will take my stun resist over warstomp 100% of the time, nuff said. 

Again, you are comparing a racial to a potion. I am comparing racial to racial and to me Orc wins hands down.

I am pointing out how you only need 1 potion (and PvP trinket) to completely resolve the situations the racial applies to, and the potion will do it much better than the racial would while the racial would add nothing. So maybe you like Hardiness, but Shamans simply don't need it to handle those situations. They have better options anyway. You should pick racials that improve your fights, not racials that handle things you can already resolve anyway. A timely War Stomp is frequently invaluable. A stun resist is good but you have a PvP trinket and you can Free Action Potion or carry a Living Action Potion to counter stuns more heavily.

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Warrior - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should fear you. LOL you just wasted a potion.

That's 8 seconds and he can't attack you. Free Action Potion lasts 30 seconds. Intimidating Shout is primarily bandaging time really. If you actually FAP against a Warrior though I assume you intend to kite.

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Rogue - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should 1. Blind 2. Sprint 3. vanish... LOL you just wasted a potion.

1 Poison Cleansing Totem. 2. Not sure how blizzlike the server is, but back in vanilla you could drop Rogues out of stealth with Earthbind Totem with the first pulse since it applies a debuff inside the aoe. I guess there's also Flame Shock. If you time your trinket->FAP well enough enough he should still be gcd so you could War Stomp him letting you do stuff like flame shock and drop earthbind or poison cleansing totem.

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Paladins - LOL.. Paladins, nuff said. If you lose to a paladin you suck. Even if they bubble and LoH.

I didn't say it was necessary. I just listed them since they are a stun-heavy class and thus crippled by Free Action Potions.

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Engineering is great because of grenades, nets and the kickass deathray.

You forgot the Goblin Mortar, the Goblin Rocket Helm, the Goblin Rocket Boots, the Discombobulator Ray, the Gnomish Mind Control Cap, and the Gnomish Cloaking Device. Oh, and the Flash Bomb is useful against beasts (including Hunter pets and Druids). Honestly I think Enhancement Shamans need Goblin Rocket Boots the most, since they have to enter melee range but have no sprint (unless you count Improved Ghost Wolf which has a cast time).

[suhail1200 3]

On 5/3/2017 at 3:02 PM, csant said:

You aren't going to change my mind. It is a matter of opinion and I guess there isnt a bad answer. I know I will take my stun resist over warstomp 100% of the time, nuff said. 

Again, you are comparing a racial to a potion. I am comparing racial to racial and to me Orc wins hands down.

Warrior - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should fear you. LOL you just wasted a potion.

Rogue - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should 1. Blind 2. Sprint 3. vanish... LOL you just wasted a potion. 

Paladins - LOL.. Paladins, nuff said. If you lose to a paladin you suck. Even if they bubble and LoH. 

Engineering is great because of grenades, nets and the kickass deathray.

 

You can keep your tauren, I will happily keep my Orc. =)  

U never use action potion against a warrior anyways cuz he doesnt have a stun other than intercept 2-3sec lol.Pala hoj u can just trinket.For rogues u can pop trinket with action potion as well as putting flame shock on him and dropping down earthbind/poison cleanse totem no problem.

(Talking about elemental here)Tauren warstomp is good when u are against melee or trying to get pet of u but kinda useless against priest mage and warlocks but your insane burst should kill them anyways.

Personally enhance aint even that good , its like pala reckoning but enh more rng.Terrible for pve and pvp is just luck but u still get eaten up by melee because low armor+no shield so u are just relying on WF procs and thats it.Ele has one of the best controls alongside mage , Shocks , interrupts , shield which gives alot more armor , self heals+warstomp , mitigates armor.

[Tronco 0]

On 20/2/2017 at 6:59 PM, Swolbie said:

Warstomp is great but if you're considering pop on shammy I would go orc for 25% stun resist. it's HUGE for shammy 

Basically

Orc for PVP or enhance PVE

Troll for the looks

[Tronco 0]

On 3/5/2017 at 4:02 PM, csant said:

Warrior - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should fear you. LOL you just wasted a potion.

Rogue - if he sees you pop a free action potion he should 1. Blind 2. Sprint 3. vanish... LOL you just wasted a potion. 

Paladins - LOL.. Paladins, nuff said. If you lose to a paladin you suck. Even if they bubble and LoH.

Warrior- If you let him melee you, you´re dead anyways. You should never be in range of Intimidation

Rogue- Poison totem, Grounding totem, both eat blind. Use them properly. Then again, kite and keep Flame Shock up (or any damage debuff)

Paladins- Thats gear related, the biggest mana pool wins (usually the pally)