The Devilsaur monopoly.

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5 minutes ago, Myllz said:

Thanks for posting relevant info.  Oh wait, nevermind.

My post was a relevant example to the topic at hand.  Yours was not.  Do the community a favor and stop posting or say something relevant.

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7 hours ago, Myllz said:

Again, not true.  A large part of the active population used the forums, and if you're farming devilsaurs, you'd be an active part of the server, so it's fair to say these types of players would have been on the forums back in the day.  Either way, that doesn't even matter.  The fact is Blizzard had communication tools setup for you to discuss things with anyone on your server, opposing faction included.  Choosing not to use those was up to the player, but they existed (as did Vent).

Yeah I'd like to see the studies on how a lot of the population of a game actually bothered with the forums especially back in 2004 or in any game for that matter, just not factual.

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7 hours ago, Morathe said:

Ofc thats the reason... but also add one more. ITS fun to spy/chase/fight/engage in guerilla warfare that un'goro offers in current shape. Ethics? sorry i'm not roleplayer. You pulled that number out of your ass to fit into your argumentation obviously because unless you were in a dev room in blizzard HQ when they made rules and regulations then im sorry but you know jack shit. 

A correlation between role-playing and ethics? How about get an education and taking some of your own advice? There was and perhaps still is a clause against cross-faction communication, it might be different now but it wasn't back then. Just stating because you could talk to them on the forums (out of game) doesn't mean it was meant so you could communicate in-game to work together otherwise there wouldn't be a language barrier.

Its like liberalism logic all over these forums, cancerous and stupid.

Edited March 15, 2017 by TTL

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9 minutes ago, TTL said:

Yeah I'd like to see the studies on how a lot of the population of a game actually bothered with the forums especially back in 2004 or in any game for that matter, just not factual.

I said a large part of the active population, not a lot of the population.  The WoW forums were actually very popular back in the day.  They became less important as other forms of communication came about and when they re-designed the forums to be in the terrible state they are now.  Go back and watch some of the old PvP videos, lots of them show forum posts and conversations as the basis of their video (I know Roguecraft and one of Swifty's first videos both do, off the top of my head).

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3 minutes ago, Myllz said:

I said a large part of the active population, not a lot of the population.  The WoW forums were actually very popular back in the day.  They became less important as other forms of communication came about and when they re-designed the forums to be in the terrible state they are now.  Go back and watch some of the old PvP videos, lots of them show forum posts and conversations as the basis of their video (I know Roguecraft and one of Swifty's first videos both do, off the top of my head).

I played another MMO who had the most popular forums and made it into the Guinness book of records, less than 1% of the player base even used for the forum the same day they played the game. Not a large part that's just a huge overshot, just because 70% of the population logged into the forums once a month doesn't mean there was a in-game communication conspiracy going on.

Edited March 15, 2017 by TTL

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3 minutes ago, TTL said:

I played another MMO who had the most popular forums and made it into the Guinness book of records, less than 1% of the player base even used for the forum the same day they played the game. Not a large part that's just a huge overshot, just because 70% of the population logged into the forums once a month doesn't mean there was a in-game communication conspiracy going on.

Cool.  Your original point was that you needed two accounts in order to talk to the opposing faction in the original game, which I proved isn't true.  How popular the forums were makes zero difference.

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22 minutes ago, Myllz said:

Cool.  Your original point was that you needed two accounts in order to talk to the opposing faction in the original game, which I proved isn't true.  How popular the forums were makes zero difference.

For the average person yes which is why telling people to "do what they do" is a stupid argument, because nobody goes on the forums to communicate where to go, what to do, or conspire to monopolize in-game and the forums being popular makes all the difference as it just proves how common of a thing this was.

The main point here is, people talking on the forums (even if cross fraction) means nothing, and promotes nothing in-game unless you conspire with people of the other faction solely to abuse (sheep spamming the enemy) etc.

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Anyway assuming that people didn't use cross faction communication back in the day because this or that is beside the point. We know tools for that existed and some of us have experience with using them even back in the days. The difference in numbers of people using them does not prove any principle or intended "gaming ethics", it just proves that communities changed since then and also that some part of the community have problem moving on with the new way of playing an old content. 

Ofc everyone is free to voice their opinion and fight for their ideas but so is the other side: to defend the aspect of the game they genuinely enjoy.

Edited March 15, 2017 by Morathe

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Not sure if this has been asked, and I am not about to search through the past 15 pages, post by post. But where in the TOU either both in game or on the website does it say that you cannot communicate to players across faction?

Because I glazed over both and didn't specifically see anything regarding communication. I feel like they obviously and intentionally made it so you could not whisper/chat/mail the opposing faction and that any addon that attempted to circumvent this was considered illegal, but as far as going outside of the game to communicate is/was not regulated or enforced. Nobody can police the internet. (effectively)

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2 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Anyway assuming that people didn't use cross faction communication back in the day because this or that is beside the point. We know tools for that existed and some of us have experience with using them even back in the days. The difference in numbers of people using them does not prove any principle or intended "gaming ethics", it just proves that communities changed since then and also that some part of the community have problem moving on with the new way of playing an old content. 

Ofc everyone is free to voice their opinion and fight for their ideas but so is the other side: to defend the aspect of the game they genuinely enjoy.

Seriously don't be so ignorant, it has nothing to do with moving forward. Horde and Alliance are suppose to be enemies, they are at war with each other and this is EXACTLY why you can't talk to them in-game still to this day. Just because you choose to be clever, go out of your way to make friends and communicate with them outside the game in order to work together in-game doesn't make it okay.

This wasn't intended, still isn't and shouldn't be allowed to monopolize. Trying to argue that everyone else is "lazy" or can do it too themselves is not an argument. I don't believe we should have to ask any Horde or Alliance player to do the same thing as a small fraction of players just to compete with them fairly. This logic is so stupid it's hilarious to know people actually think in their mind it's okay and should be normal.

Let's just handicap 99% of the population.

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2 minutes ago, Trophy Un1ocked said:

Not sure if this has been asked, and I am not about to search through the past 15 pages, post by post. But where in the TOU either both in game or on the website does it say that you cannot communicate to players across faction?

Because I glazed over both and didn't specifically see anything regarding communication. I feel like they obviously and intentionally made it so you could not whisper/chat/mail the opposing faction and that any addon that attempted to circumvent this was considered illegal, but as far as going outside of the game to communicate is/was not regulated or enforced. Nobody can police the internet. (effectively)

Use google, you'll find many threads from retail players complaining about it, couldn't tell you if it's okay here but doesn't mean it's Blizzlike or should be tolerated any just because it's 2017 and people can so easily communicate to each other now, I certainly would hate my own faction sheep spamming the enemy just b/c they are working together over Skype.

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5 минут назад, TTL сказал:

I certainly would hate my own faction sheep spamming the enemy just b/c they are working together over Skype.

What stops you from flagging such persons as faction deserters and betrayers and informing the rest of community? Being laughed at? Why not? You can also accumulate enough attackspeed in your party to make sheepspamming (which is channeled cast) unusable.

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3 minutes ago, TTL said:

Use google, you'll find many threads from retail players complaining about it, couldn't tell you if it's okay here but doesn't mean it's Blizzlike or should be tolerated any just because it's 2017 and people can so easily communicate to each other now, I certainly would hate my own faction sheep spamming the enemy just b/c they are working together over Skype.

Oh I understand there are many posts, I was just wondering since people here have been claiming that "communication with opposing faction" is not allowed. So i was asking for Proof that it's not allowed. Not proof of the controversy.

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4 hours ago, Jorn Skyseer said:

What stops you from flagging such persons as faction deserters and betrayers and informing the rest of community? Being laughed at? Why not? You can also accumulate enough attackspeed in your party to make sheepspamming (which is channeled cast) unusable.

So, your answer is that you just have to be soooo much better then the opposing faction that they can't win even if they cheat.

 

That's a pretty stupid notion. And it argues that there just should never be any rules ever. For anything.

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6 hours ago, TTL said:

Let's just handicap 99% of the population.

Maybe 33% at best, I know cloth users and healers don't use/care about the devilsaur sets, so that leaves what rogues, feral druids, hunters? and maybe warriors? And i would be willing to bet there are better pieces for them to use.

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7 hours ago, TTL said:

Use google, you'll find many threads from retail players complaining about it, couldn't tell you if it's okay here but doesn't mean it's Blizzlike or should be tolerated any just because it's 2017 and people can so easily communicate to each other now, I certainly would hate my own faction sheep spamming the enemy just b/c they are working together over Skype.

Horde and Alliance are suppose to be enemies

That one bit is true, people were bitching the same 10 years ago, keep bitching today speaking about intended way to play the game. Meanwhile nothing in ToU or any official statement backing their bitching. That pretty much sums up the whole topic for me. Anything other than that is just exchanging opinions and being salty over antagonistic ideas.

About last bit... even lore have countless examples where horde and alliance cooperate for some goals so even if I were die-hard roleplayer I could battle your statement saying that other alliance guilds are just corrupt and not worth my trust, thus I cooperate with horde that in the end are worth more as an ally. Speak to me more about how I should play the game because I obviously confused myself and I need your guidance TTL San. 

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

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When I played on retail, the top alliance/horde guilds from my server were definitely colluding and taking turns on world bosses, if they had some kind of cartel level organization I have no idea, but teaming up just made sense in that context, they could either engage in 3+ hours battles with each other, or they could just take turns and help each other to clear the competition. Blizzard never did anything about it.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Zarant

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1 hour ago, Trophy Un1ocked said:

Maybe 33% at best, I know cloth users and healers don't use/care about the devilsaur sets, so that leaves what rogues, feral druids, hunters? and maybe warriors? And i would be willing to bet there are better pieces for them to use.

I was referring to 99% of people who do not play/work together with others on the opposing faction and people within this thread stating they shouldn't be lazy and do the same to compete....

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17 minutes ago, Morathe said:

That one bit is true, people were bitching the same 10 years ago, keep bitching today speaking about intended way to play the game. Meanwhile nothing in ToU or any official statement backing their bitching. That pretty much sums up the whole topic for me. Anything other than that is just exchanging opinions and being salty over antagonistic ideas.

About last bit... even lore have countless examples where horde and alliance cooperate for some goals so even if I were die-hard roleplayer I could battle your statement saying that other alliance guilds are just corrupt and not worth my trust, thus I cooperate with horde that in the end are worth more as an ally. Speak to me more about how I should play the game because I obviously confused myself and I need your guidance TTL San.

You can be a smart ass all day, doesn't change facts. Blizzard went well out of their way to prevent us from communicating with the opposing faction in-game, so what lore has to do with that is... ??? Cya.

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2 minutes ago, TTL said:

You can be a smart ass all day, doesn't change facts. Blizzard went well out of their way to prevent us from communicating with the opposing faction in-game, so what lore has to do with that is... ??? Cya.

Oh you mean the languages? Ever thought of it as ROLEPLAYING (see? easy) addition to the game? Derp. Bai

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

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9 minutes ago, TTL said:

I was referring to 99% of people who do not play/work together with others on the opposing faction and people within this thread stating they shouldn't be lazy and do the same to compete....

Trying to argue that everyone else is "lazy" or can do it too themselves is not an argument

You don't need to cooperate with opposing faction to rival us, just bring more of the same faction and beat our other faction friends. Then you're free to continue the act in mighty tag battle cause you defy working with opposing faction.

Hence... 

Thats EXACTLY THE ARGUMENT (so much fun!)

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

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Just now, Morathe said:

You don't need to cooperate with opposing faction to rival us, just bring more of the same faction and beat our other faction friends. Then you're free to continue the act in mighty tag battle cause you defy working with opposing faction.

Thanks for your brain dead logic of ignoring the issue and making excuses to justify how you should counter the issue. I'll come to you for more educated opinions.

Meanwhile, to all Horde or Alliance players whom are not suppose to be able to talk to each other. Just deal with having to not only fight their faction but your own too.

Oh wait he said "rival us", sounds like a devilsaur farmer who is biased and would explain the full retard mode comments. Enjoy the challenge.

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11 minutes ago, TTL said:

Thanks for your brain dead logic of ignoring the issue and making excuses to justify how you should counter the issue. I'll come to you for more educated opinions.

Meanwhile, to all Horde or Alliance players whom are not suppose to be able to talk to each other. Just deal with having to not only fight their faction but your own too.

Oh wait he said "rival us", sounds like a devilsaur farmer who is biased and would explain the full retard mode comments. Enjoy the challenge.

You silly boy. We cooperate with horde exactly because tag battles are retarded. Thats the sole reason we went for the whole process of difficult agreements with opposing faction. Because we rather settle the dominance by strength of arms and pvp than camping a spawn and letting the "better latency" win the tag contest. I mean everyone enjoy different things so don't take it as judging you. But yea... no thanks

Tl;dr you fail to understand that this mechanism work as a building block for hardcore pvp scene in world environment. Its unrealistic to see pure horde vs alliance competition over that because it leads directly into tag battles.

About last sentence. Running low on fine argumentation and undermining me as biased because I'm obvious gold seller right? I heard that before. "Bitch please"

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

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PvP instead of cooperate with opposing faction and you wouldn't need to deal with tag battles. I highly doubt latency has anything to do with it, I live across the world from where the servers are hosted and latency is hardly an issue at all.

Again, if you're part of this problem that so many people complain about which it sounds like it then your voice is not required here as you'll obviously be biased. It would be like me asking President Obama how great he did and getting a "great answer" while the country is burning down all around.

There is nothing more frustrating to someone than having their own faction help who is suppose to be the enemy solely cause they are working together, I don't bother with devilsaurs or have skinning so it doesn't affect me personally but I can at least understand how annoying this is especially after watching it happen to someone in a video on the forums here.

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16 minutes ago, TTL said:

Thanks for your brain dead logic of ignoring the issue and making excuses to justify how you should counter the issue. I'll come to you for more educated opinions.

Meanwhile, to all Horde or Alliance players whom are not suppose to be able to talk to each other. Just deal with having to not only fight their faction but your own too.

Oh wait he said "rival us", sounds like a devilsaur farmer who is biased and would explain the full retard mode comments. Enjoy the challenge.

But you are ignoring the solution, Bring more friends to overcome this type of behavior. you may not be able to prevent it, but i feel like the "you people" are out there solo farming because you want to be self sufficient and not share the loot, or speed things up because your soloing this fast.

 

I could be wrong about the solo farming, IDK this is why i play on pve.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Trophy Un1ocked