Stop Premades or Enable Double Que

[Wrathran 4]

41 minutes ago, nooobieee said:

"blizz like" is not "blizz clone". The server is not a "blizz clone", how far from clone the server gets is up to the owners of the server. Your notion that not "blizz like" is some valid argument against any idea is specious.

You are wrong and here is why.

Elysium is Blizzlike, this means they want the server to be as close as possible, within reason, to vanilla retail. The goal is for it to be a clone. There will always be some technical difficulties and bugs that makes it LIKE retail and not a clone. There may also be a much bigger population that require some tweaking to make the game playable.

However, adding new features is totally out of the question on a Blizzlike server like this. You may disagree, but you are wrong. There were no "stopping of premades" or "double queue" in vanilla so there will be no such thing on Elysium.

41 minutes ago, nooobieee said:

It's not "blizz like" to have a server with over a hundred guilds that have cleared BWL and no expansion coming. It's not "blizz like" to have a much larger population on one server. It's not "blizz like" to have 3 servers total... the list goes on and on.

This is just bullshit if you compare having a large population with actively adding or removing features that is not Blizzlike because people are not happy with how vanilla was desinged on this Blisslike server.

 

If you want to add or remove features then you should play on non-Blizzlike server. Don't come to a Blizzlike server and ask for non-Blizzlike features. Asking to "stop premades" and adding a "double queue" is not a valid request on a Blizzlike server.

[csant 3]

The real problem is you join the faction that has the most carebears and that is weird because most pvp'rs usually pick horde side. The only way this will be "fix" is if the current hordies leveling change it once they hit 60. LIke I said it will be tough at first because of the gear advantage  and probably long queues. Hopefully we will see more horde pvp premades. I know I wont have the time to play 20 hours a day more like 4/5 hours, but it will be 4/5 hours of pvp. =)

 

[Gnog 1]

What is stopping the horde from forming well balanced raids in general chat? These kinds of messages go out in Ironforge all the time. 

[csant 3]

That is the million dollar questions. But like I said horde seem to not have any serious pvp'rs. I don't truly know because I am not 60 (50), and I have only seem a couple of times people trying to put together groups in general chat. 

[TheLoon 0]

On 4/11/2017 at 10:33 AM, Aziz said:

Also look at raidstats, top 50 dps/hps on boss fights are 45 alliance 5 horde.

That's because pf Paladins not try-hards or that alliance has better skilled players.....

[Dunkz 1]

2 hours ago, Gnog said:

What is stopping the horde from forming well balanced raids in general chat? These kinds of messages go out in Ironforge all the time. 

These are the pvpers on horde.

We had 5 mages and 1 sheep entire game. ROFL

[nooobieee 3]

16 hours ago, Wrathran said:

Elysium is Blizzlike, this means they want the server to be as close as possible, within reason, to vanilla retail.

You're ridiculous. You say I'm wrong and then counter with exactly what I said. "within reason" is a subjective opinion. Opinions vary, and as we all know, everyone has one.

[Wrathran 4]

2 hours ago, nooobieee said:

You're ridiculous. You say I'm wrong and then counter with exactly what I said. "within reason" is a subjective opinion. Opinions vary, and as we all know, everyone has one.

You say it's not a Blizzclone, therefore they should change and add  non-blizzlike things becasue it's not a Blizzclone anyway.

I say, it's not a Blizzclone, therefore we they should NOT change things because that makes it less of a Blizzclone and the goal is for it to be a Blizzclone but also realizes that some minor tweak is needed because it's not a clone and asking for non-blizzlike features (not minor tweaks, but features) is invalid.

[nooobieee 3]

1 hour ago, Wrathran said:

You say it's not a Blizzclone, therefore they should change and add  non-blizzlike things becasue it's not a Blizzclone anyway.

 

I said no such thing. I said that any idea to change the server is a valid idea to be implemented or not depending on what the server team decides. Your argument of "not blizzlike" is arbitrarily applied by you to ideas you just don't like. One can assume because you don't have a better argument to make.

[Wrathran 4]

19 hours ago, nooobieee said:

I said no such thing. I said that any idea to change the server is a valid idea to be implemented or not depending on what the server team decides. Your argument of "not blizzlike" is arbitrarily applied by you to ideas you just don't like. One can assume because you don't have a better argument to make.

"you say" has not the same meaning as "you said", I didn't quote you.

Well the team have clearly said no to any such changes. It's a Blizzlike server, not gonna happen.

Server is Blizzlike. Adding an extra queue or removing the possibility to queue as premade is not Blizzlike, it's pretty clear. Will never happen. Asking for non-Blizzlike features is NOT VALID as it's NOT BLIZZLIKE. Dammit I'm repeating myself here. It's not a matter of opinion, server is Blizzlike, adding feature that is not Blizzlike = not gonna happen unless Elysium decided that it should not longer be a Blizzlike server.

ALL of these complaints and ideas to add new non-Blizzlike features is invalid and pointless as long as Elysium have decided that the server shall be Blizzlike.

Double queue or remove premades is removing and adding features that is Not Blizzlike, so it's INVALID to ask for it unless you first ask for the server to not be Blizzlike.

It's a pretty huge difference in tweaking the servers spawn rates etc to accommodate for a large population with adding and removing features that is not Blizzlike.

19 hours ago, nooobieee said:

depending on what the server team decides

They have decided that it's a Blizzlike server so adding or removing features is not gonna happen. Its stupid to ask for it (well maybe not stupid as sharing ideas and opinions is never a bad thing). Asking for the tweaking of herb spawn rates etc is totally valid as the population is large.  Asking to build a whole new queue system that was not available in vanilla is not valid.

 

Before making any complaints or suggestion to add or remove a feature in game. Ask yourself this. Was this a feature in vanilla retail? If no, Not gonna happen as long as it's a Blizzlike server. Simple.

[szuszak 2]

ally win in premades because they stack up on healers 5-6 on 15 man lol

i never been in horde bg with more than 2-3 healers ever 

when it comes to world pvp ask allies players how fun is it to go to dm or brd lol

 

i also bet that ranking up on allies is a nightmare (even if the qs are much faster)since the weekly caps are way up there

on horde hitting r10 can be done very casually

 

i personally abandoned pvp on this server after getting r9 and getting bored with premades and how little rank means , at least in tbc+ glad would mean ppl knew how to play

it looks like in vanilla r13+ means you are super nerd that sits in q for 12h+ a day

[Justme 9]

3 hours ago, szuszak said:

ally win in premades because they stack up on healers 5-6 on 15 man lol

i never been in horde bg with more than 2-3 healers ever 

when it comes to world pvp ask allies players how fun is it to go to dm or brd lol

 

i also bet that ranking up on allies is a nightmare (even if the qs are much faster)since the weekly caps are way up there

on horde hitting r10 can be done very casually

 

i personally abandoned pvp on this server after getting r9 and getting bored with premades and how little rank means , at least in tbc+ glad would mean ppl knew how to play

it looks like in vanilla r13+ means you are super nerd that sits in q for 12h+ a day

Something you didnt even manage to do can be done very casually lmfao ok mate

[Hamblin 0]

Moved this thread to Suggestions.

=)

[szuszak 2]

i was half way to r10 playing casually and didnt hit it because i play this game to have fun

and bgs vs constant premades are not fun you dweeb

its more fun to farm ragnaros and onyxia than afk q bgs (that can be done literally if half of your brain was removed)

[Shubu 0]

On 4/14/2017 at 11:32 PM, Wrathran said:

 

Double queue or remove premades is removing and adding features that is Not Blizzlike, so it's INVALID to ask for it unless you first ask for the server to not be

Multiple battlegrounds queues were added in patch 1.9 - he isn't asking for something Blizzard had never considered in vanilla. He just wants to prepone this feature. (Keep in mind, Warsong Gulch & Alterac Valley were added in patch 1.5 - Arathi Basin in 1.7, but most of them are already available on Elysium) So why not give it a shot and just ask for it? You can disagree with his suggestion, but they way you try to argue is questionable at least.

BTT: I don't want multi queues on Elysium ever, as it has shown on many servers before it does more harm than good.

[Pottu 290]

Premades are an elementary part of the game. Multi-queue leads to dodging and makes the PVP scene much worse. We have seen this multiple times.

For all its flaws, the current system is the best possible compromise.