Why Nostalrius PvE was flourishing and Darrowshire isn't/won't

[Tempest 0]

I'll be quitting too if Darrowshire is ever merged with a pvp server.

[Darrowisdeadasвауу 3]

its dead mate its over boys

[Hla Oad 2]

I'd transfer to Darrowshire from Elysium in a heartbeat if it was possible. I'm 60 and the constant ganking still hasn't stopped. Very unfun.

[Hurricane2 2]

If you want to see what constant ganking really looks like go to BRM tomorrow.

[Chef 7]

On 18.7.2017 at 8:11 AM, Hla Oad said:

I'd transfer to Darrowshire from Elysium in a heartbeat if it was possible. I'm 60 and the constant ganking still hasn't stopped. Very unfun.

I would love to have a transfer option to Darrowshire as well :/

[Rothnir 0]

On 10.8.2017 at 3:58 PM, Chef said:

I would love to have a transfer option to Darrowshire as well :/

I think that would be a good idea. The only reason why I decided to level on Darrowshire was, that with my limited playtime leveling on Elysium was nearly impossible due to all the ganking. 

Offering people the transfer from PvP to PvE might make Darrowshire a bit more lively, especially on Horde side. 

[Asher86 1]

darrowshir died because the new server hype finished. get over it.

[FEYAARES 3]

Same issue with Anathema. We are speaking a lot about both servers in this topic : https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/51675-is-there-anything-elysium-can-do/

Maybe we have to create only one topic somewhere but if we want to find a solution people from both server have to work together since Elysium take a decision one day (or not). 

[Keala 28]

Even if we work together (which would be an achievement already... not happening), at the end of the day it's still up to the staff. If they literally don't want offer and kind of merge or transfer (now or in the future... doesn't matter), there is little we can do apart from suggesting our ideas and hoping for the best.

At this point the only thing I can see saving Anathema is a TBC announcement and even then, we still have Darrowshire to take care of.

 

[redpanda 0]

I just wanted to say that I think Darrowshire is fine. I started playing Wow in January 2005. I've watched it slowly be ruined since Cataclysm. I am so happy playing here with my husband. The player base we've encountered has been friendly. I don't know what all the complaints are about. Frankly, I'm thankful to the developers here.

[Hatsodoom 0]

Honestly I don't think the population of the server is the issue. Granted yes its much lower and we should increase it somehow, but I think the issue is the disproportionate numbers between Alliance and Horde. All the horde-exlusive players will avoid Darrowshire if all they see is 300 people on when there's 700 alliance. Allowing transfers would help too, but I doubt that'll ever be a thing.

[andrenn 0]

I'm seeing between 800-1200. online weekdays 7-9 PM EST. AH is fairly active. People like to pursue the latest. Human nature. I'm extremely casual mostly solo player and Darrowshire is perfect. PVP is a nogo. I think allowing transfers would be great. Put a price on it and use the funds for new hardware.

[Whiskyjack666 2]

This is as close to a true vanilla pve server you will get. I see the pop is not an issue. Most people stand aorund in IF lol.. as a rogue i never seem to find issues getting into groups... Understand.. there is way less pugging in vanilla.. most are guild groups. There are raiding guilds.. they raid... so..

[geodude074 1]

Looking at the numbers, a couple things are obvious:

• A massive drop happened from Feb - April, with ~4.5k peaks down to ~2.25k peaks.
• A slow but gradual decline has continued since then, with ~1.5k peaks in Sept.

I agree with other thoughts people have mentioned. First, the massive population drop is because the hype died (and not because it's summer).  Second, no new players are coming to Darrowshire, they're all going to Elysium. Third, most of the population in Darrowshire are "veteran" players who only log on to raid. Fourth, if the devs don't do anything to fix this, in about a year's time the population will reach zero, with the majority of players being veterans in guilds, and whose guilds will continue to shrink because there are no new players to recruit.

In short the devs need to fix this. My solution is simple: 1) Allow players to transfer from Elysium to Darrowshire. 2) Enable cross-realm battlegrounds.

Why cross-realm battlegrounds? Because as others have said, once players have completed all the PVE content, there's nothing else to do but PVP. And if you're playing on a small PVE realm without the numbers to support PVP battlegrounds, there's no reason to stay once you've completed all the PVE content.

Transferring from Darrowshire to Elysium is not the answer, because once a server reaches a certain population it becomes overcrowded and unplayable. MMOs need the balance of PVE and PVP so players can choose which style they want to play in, which promotes growth (as opposed to being forced into a play style because you have no other choice).

Edited September 24, 2017 by geodude074

[Nelythia 44]

Both your ideas won't work.

Why would anyone transfer from Elysium to Darrowshire who is already established there, has a guild etc?
The only players that may transfer are casual players that are tired of being ganked (and ganking on ely isn't even bad, I leveld a 55 warrior while alt-tab playing on Darrow) and potentially later regret it to have transfered, or quit alltogether, because the realm does not offer anything besides the "duh huh i cant get ganked huhuhuh" mentality everyone seems to have.

Crossrealm Battlegrounds will help the current and future rankers, not a single doubt about that.
But I finished my ranking to 14 and so did many others, we all stopped PvPing after this.
Not because we are done, rather because you are tired of pvping after you ranked. It takes soo much time and it hits very hard on your mental and physical health, its not a joke.

Casual PvPing doesn't really exist on Darrowshire besides the AV weekends, where most queue into fresh AV's for Black Lotus and then quit, so you end up having a 30v20 game as horde, when it started as 30v30.

I completly agree with anything Zhera and other veterans said. I started with Nostalrius PvE launch and quit (now) Anathema due to it being established on ZG Patch AND having peaks of over 12.500 every day, which was unplayable due to massive amount of lags and delays, and of course the very dumb hackfix of decreasing the view distance (which elysium repeats as of now on their fresh server).

I know at least 50 players that I was close friends with during playing, that have quit and wait until a solution has been found or a merge has been confirmed.
They do not want to play on a server that is doomed to death. The major faction imbalance is one of the biggest reason, but especially the general population isn't that healthy as some of you make it seem to be.

Today we had, since a VERY long time, a peak of 1.9k players and everyone says that we are growing and the server is healthy again, but in fact it isn't.
Don't forget that goldsellers, bots, multiboxers and your occasional "I will try vanilla out for 3 days" player will count towards the playercount on /who.

I said it before and I say it again, in regards of rule violation Darrowshire does it more than Elysium which has times 5 our population.

We have so many bots that are not touched by GM's, so many players that create multiple accounts with warlocks and click alts to summon themself across the world as they wish, in general way too many 60s multiboxing and helping their leveling alts, because they're too lazy.

Out of 1900 peak today, I dare to say at least 500 of that can be substracted due to above reasons.

 

Either a merge needs to happen, which is very unlikely for now as the different timeline does in fact have a serious reason to not do it yet.
However, saying that we do not get a merge due to the "PvE" server status is one of the most stupid arguments anyone could ever bring.
First of all, as said ganking isn't even that bad on Elysium. And, it is part of the game. You get ganked during leveling by NPC's as well, do you quit killing NPC's alltogether and just explore zones for XP to level up?
No. You man up and just level further, with many deaths depending on your class and/or experience of the game.

Same counts for PvP. Real corpse camping does exist, it happens every day a lot on Elysium, but don't be scared that you will be victim of it.
No one will ever do it to you if you're just a normal player playing the game. There is simply no reason to and its a waste of time for them as well.

And even if you get ganked, hell just logout play an alt or something else, go to a different zone or just do a dungeon instead. Especially with 50+ when you need to gather pre-bis raid, you can avoid honor ganking by rankers by just grinding instances. You need to do it eventually, why not combine it with leveling instead.

Secondly, Blizzard eventually opened transfers from PvE to PvP servers, quite quickly after releasing server transfers in general.
They even merged PvE and PvP servers before, or rather made them into the same Crossrealm merge thingy

So, instead of merging it now, as its very unlikely, at least confirm a merge when we are on the same timeline as the other servers, OR give us a confirmation about TBC and if we can have a different solution with the expansion.
For example offering a transfer to any of the other servers, as you did with Zeth'Kur.

There are a lot of players that did not join Darrowshire because of the PvE status, rather we were escaping Anathema due to its status it had when Darrow was launched.
Don't punish us being stuck on a PvE server when all we cared about was having a fresh start without lag, without 12.5k+ peaks, without delays, without too low view distance etc.

At least give us a chance to play on any of the other servers without rerolling.

Its not fair spitting into the face of a lot of veterans and telling them to throwaway literally hundreds of days /played, effort and time invested.
 

[Noiryx 0]

Both your ideas won't work.

Why would anyone transfer from Elysium to Darrowshire who is already established there, has a guild etc?
The only players that may transfer are casual players that are tired of being ganked (and ganking on ely isn't even bad, I leveld a 55 warrior while alt-tab playing on Darrow) and potentially later regret it to have transfered, or quit alltogether, because the realm does not offer anything besides the "duh huh i cant get ganked huhuhuh" mentality everyone seems to have.

Invalid argument - why would anyone ever in the history of forever realm transfer if being established matters? In retail a LOT of people transferred around for a plethora of different reasons.

Crossrealm Battlegrounds will help the current and future rankers, not a single doubt about that.
But I finished my ranking to 14 and so did many others, we all stopped PvPing after this.
Not because we are done, rather because you are tired of pvping after you ranked. It takes soo much time and it hits very hard on your mental and physical health, its not a joke.

Not really. Froug still PvPs, Vitaminp, Lapander, Gennesis, etc. They don't PvP as actively anymore simply because the PvP grind requires you to log in 14hrs/day. Just because you quit doesn't mean every other person did, please do not project as we see a LOT of veterans of the horde PvPing. Crossrealm battlegrounds would only fix the long queue times or non-existing games, as well as the pool size. But this isn't relevant to how heavy it is to rank, anyway. Also you played horde, which required 2-3 days of steamrolling alliances AFK in GY because you're premade zulul please go away.

I completly agree with anything Zhera and other veterans said. I started with Nostalrius PvE launch and quit (now) Anathema due to it being established on ZG Patch AND having peaks of over 12.500 every day, which was unplayable due to massive amount of lags and delays, and of course the very dumb hackfix of decreasing the view distance (which elysium repeats as of now on their fresh server).

Not everyone who started on PvE started because PvP was full. I've played PvE servers all my life. You might be a vocal minority in this case but that's a difficult thing to establish. The "hackfix" makes the server work so in my opinion it's a fix. What do you expect them to do, invest twice the amount in server costs they already can barely afford? Or reinvent the entirety of WoW and Mangos's server engine? You must be kidding. It's not necessary on Darrowshire per se but it might keep down server costs and keep the game running so whatever.

Either a merge needs to happen, which is very unlikely for now as the different timeline does in fact have a serious reason to not do it yet.
However, saying that we do not get a merge due to the "PvE" server status is one of the most stupid arguments anyone could ever bring.
First of all, as said ganking isn't even that bad on Elysium. And, it is part of the game. You get ganked during leveling by NPC's as well, do you quit killing NPC's alltogether and just explore zones for XP to level up?

Probably the dumbest part of your post.

You say a merge needs to happen, yet you earlier in your post say "having peaks of over 12.500 every day, which was unplayable due to massive amount of lags and delays, and of course the very dumb hackfix of decreasing the view distance" is one of the reasons you didn't start there in the first place. What gives? You want a merge to happen to make an EVEN BIGGER server, despite Elysium already having 1-2s loot delays, the "stupid hackfix decreasing view distance" and a BOOMING population that has to be capped at 8.3k or the server literally explodes?

On top of that, not everyone is as comfortable with ganking. While we might perservere easily, I can't imagine someone like my mum enjoying this game very much is an undead rogue could just bash her skull in in a second flat for absolutely no reason. With NPC's you pick the fight, with players you have little choice. "And, it is part of the game. You get ganked during leveling by NPC's as well, do you quit killing NPC's alltogether and just explore zones for XP to level up?" Just re-read this and tell me if you actually meant what you said

Same counts for PvP. Real corpse camping does exist, it happens every day a lot on Elysium, but don't be scared that you will be victim of it.
No one will ever do it to you if you're just a normal player playing the game. There is simply no reason to and its a waste of time for them as well.

And even if you get ganked, hell just logout play an alt or something else, go to a different zone or just do a dungeon instead. Especially with 50+ when you need to gather pre-bis raid, you can avoid honor ganking by rankers by just grinding instances. You need to do it eventually, why not combine it with leveling instead.

Ganking does happen. What planet do you live on lmao? And some people just don't want to logout and want to level in peace. Like I said above, I can't imagine a LOT of the playertypes of people that I play with that are a lot more peaceful and just want to enjoy it as is to even consider world PvP as a thing. If World PvP wasn't a bother at all and objectively better then there wouldn't be any PvE servers to begin with.

There are a lot of players that did not join Darrowshire because of the PvE status, rather we were escaping Anathema due to its status it had when Darrow was launched.
Don't punish us being stuck on a PvE server when all we cared about was having a fresh start without lag, without 12.5k+ peaks, without delays, without too low view distance etc.

Literally half your post is "bro WPvP ain't even that bad bro, honestly ganking ain't that bad wtf why doesn't everyone just man up, you can grind instances, just git gud bro lmao carebears on this server xd", do you not realise that you are just sounding like another "broPvPer" calling all PvEers carebears? Your entire post is just full of shit excuses as to why you personally want to see a merge with a PvP server. You could have rerolled onto Elysium, but you didn't, despite the fact that Elysium was fresh and bla bla everything else. Do you want a merge with Anathema? They're not fresh at all as they've cleared literally everything in Vanilla (as one of your arguments is "I wanted it to be fresh"). You didn't reroll Elysium, and Anathema won't be attractive for a merge because of their completion. You either reroll or stay, no other choice.

If you wanted a PvP server you should have levelled there, and dealt with the lag and shitty view distance (that still exists, by the way). You made the choice.

The milk is spilt.

So yeah.

Deal with it.