Raiding without addons + bigwigs

[madebyrockets 0]

Have you ever done it? Personally I did not raid with Bigwigs or many addons when I first ran through MC, ZG, BWL. Mainly because A: I never did it during retail and B: Wanted a challenge of learning it as I went. Yes I didn't tell my raid leader I didn't have it, but he more or less explained the fights before anyway so I knew what to expect. 

Raiding without bigwigs is probably the best thing you can do it, it feels fresh, unique, and fun to raid and wipe and take down mental notes instead of mindlessly relying on an addon to do your job. 

[Ragingducks 9]

I wouldn't have it any other way.

It's a game and we're supposed to have fun doing it.

If you simply care about min-max and have the client full of raiding add-ons, think for a moment: are you really having fun?

[Ragingducks 9]

25 minutes ago, flowqz said:

beeing bad doesnt sound like fun.

If you don't study every minute of your life you'll never become a genius. Do you feel retarded now?

[flowqz 34]

Just now, Ragingducks said:

If you don't study every minute of your life you'll never become a genius. Do you feel like retarded now?

404 logic.

 

 

[Ragingducks 9]

1 hour ago, flowqz said:

404 logic.

 

 

If you can't understand a simple concept, no wonder you play WOW the way you do.

[Uevenlift 0]

Sounds like flow needs to git gud

[khalismur 6]

5 hours ago, flowqz said:

404 logic.

If you can't understand his analogy, your brain was 404.

 

Raiding without boss abilities addons is fun. Without KTM though I think would compromise the whole raid too much.

[madebyrockets 0]

2 hours ago, khalismur said:

If you can't understand his analogy, your brain was 404.

 

Raiding without boss abilities addons is fun. Without KTM though I think would compromise the whole raid too much.

Yeah I think KTM would be the only addon I would run. Aggro management without it can be quite difficult. However I refuse to download dps meters as it's the personification of elitist min-maxer that I hate. 

[Zil 0]

As long as you're not dying to mechanics or pulling aggro you can get away without AddOns no problem.

Now if you're constantly dying or pulling aggro and still refuse to use AddOns... That's a different story. 

[Justme 9]

On 6/14/2017 at 11:26 AM, flowqz said:

beeing bad doesnt sound like fun.

Needing addons to get out of fire means you're not a baddie.

[Ragward 2]

refuses to use "bigwigs" but uses KTM , making an exception to your "needing addons to raid" rule, if you are going to make this statement go clean 0 addons

you have literally just jeopardized anything you were trying to accomplish here by saying you use KTM.

using addons does not necessarily mean you are unaware of what the bosses are doing or fail to gather a intuition on what the boss will do next if anything it helps you understand the fight more as you can gather the exact timing on certain abilities so if you were to turn of bigwigs you would know its 30 seconds till the next fear and you can manually time it out for yourself ,on that note the current bigwigs or "raiding addons" is not as polished as retail and misses A LOT of the boss abilities and when they do what ,there are timers missing from some fights which require you to actually think for yourself.

[khalismur 6]

Lol what? Why do assume it has to be black or white? 'Jeopardized everything...'?? Lol

For me raiding with ktm and bigwigs is for mentally impaired (lazy) people. No bigwigs provide a fun challenge and makes the fights actually interesting. Arcade-game style..

No addons at all is not fun anymore due to threat issues and very high chance of aggro pull if you dps freely.

You really can't see this middle point of using just ktm?

[Muhsogyny 2]

Raiding isn't remotely hard enough to warrant the use of addons, as long as the raid leader is calling out timers

[flowqz 34]

On 14.6.2017 at 1:20 PM, Ragingducks said:

If you can't understand a simple concept, no wonder you play WOW the way you do.

your comparison is just shit, thats all. 

of course you dont need addons, if you dont try to maximise your performance. thats what i call beeing bad.

[An4rki 3]

On 2017-6-14 at 7:27 PM, Zil said:

As long as you're not dying to mechanics or pulling aggro you can get away without AddOns no problem.

Now if you're constantly dying or pulling aggro and still refuse to use AddOns... That's a different story. 

That is the most sensible answer to date.

Its our own game and if we die, its our own issue - if we lower the overall DPS by dying to early in a boss fight, or pull aggro and affect the raid party - then go into the corner and have a word with yourself!

[Justme 9]

56 minutes ago, flowqz said:

your comparison is just shit, thats all. 

of course you dont need addons, if you dont try to maximise your performance. thats what i call beeing bad.

I'd hate to drive with you.

[Morathe 5]

On 6/14/2017 at 11:03 AM, Ragingducks said:

I wouldn't have it any other way.

It's a game and we're supposed to have fun doing it.

If you simply care about min-max and have the client full of raiding add-ons, think for a moment: are you really having fun?

If you simply have to count down yourself for every boss mechanic that happens on flat time interval just so you don't wipe and waste tons of consumable gold, think for a moment: are you having fun? Or you just ignore mechanics are let those blast waves hit you because its obviously a healers problem? derp

[Ragingducks 9]

7 hours ago, Morathe said:

If you simply have to count down yourself for every boss mechanic that happens on flat time interval just so you don't wipe and waste tons of consumable gold, think for a moment: are you having fun? Or you just ignore mechanics are let those blast waves hit you because its obviously a healers problem? derp

Did it every occur to you that boss mechanics can be learned, especially in Vanilla WOW?

[Morathe 5]

7 minutes ago, Ragingducks said:

Did it every occur to you that boss mechanics can be learned, especially in Vanilla WOW?

Yes, learning what given mechanic do... do you have LoS it? or stuck up with others? etc. But counting down in your head for every boss for every mechanic while doing your rotation and socializing with others? Thats a complete different story. I'd say if you went purist like that and wanted to remain a good raider aka not wipe due to counting mistakes you'd actually end up having way less fun cause your raids would be silent full of extremely focused mathematicians. 

There is a level of convenience that is in fact helping you having fun because it shifts your focus from boring things into more enjoyable. My opinion. 

I mean sure i can understand that UI that clumps up your screen and look like junkyard or excel sheet takes away from immersion but there are ways to make it look good and clean. 

[Morathe 5]

On 6/16/2017 at 1:28 PM, Ragward said:

refuses to use "bigwigs" but uses KTM , making an exception to your "needing addons to raid" rule, if you are going to make this statement go clean 0 addons

you have literally just jeopardized anything you were trying to accomplish here by saying you use KTM.

using addons does not necessarily mean you are unaware of what the bosses are doing or fail to gather a intuition on what the boss will do next if anything it helps you understand the fight more as you can gather the exact timing on certain abilities so if you were to turn of bigwigs you would know its 30 seconds till the next fear and you can manually time it out for yourself ,on that note the current bigwigs or "raiding addons" is not as polished as retail and misses A LOT of the boss abilities and when they do what ,there are timers missing from some fights which require you to actually think for yourself.

This 

[Software 9]

On 6/16/2017 at 11:04 AM, khalismur said:

For me raiding with ktm and bigwigs is for mentally impaired (lazy) people. No bigwigs provide a fun challenge and makes the fights actually interesting. Arcade-game style..

Lmao... ok buddy.

You sound like a complete buffoon. 

[Software 9]

23 hours ago, Muhsogyny said:

Raiding isn't remotely hard enough to warrant the use of addons, as long as the raid leader is calling out timers

You know what's a hell of a lot better than people waiting on instructions only to know what to do? 39 other raiders who know the fight mechanics and have timers to know when they are going to happen.

You do you OP, but trying to act as if they make the fight more fun or surprising is laughable at best. Especially considering the mechanics don't exactly change from week to week. 

This isn't smash bros.

[sreaver 0]

It is a different game for sure without addons, especially KTM. But I dont think the players of this generation can find fun in doing calculations on their own and in creating their own tactics to compensate some people being worse in those calculations. I don't think many 'top-raiders' who started in private servers or later in vanilla could handle Vael or Broodlord without KTM and known tactics, like you had to back in the day.

[Morathe 5]

On 6/20/2017 at 3:10 PM, Muhsogyny said:

Raiding isn't remotely hard enough to warrant the use of addons, as long as the raid leader is calling out timers

Must be fun to be raid leader then... counting and calling out for all the noobs that refuse to download and use simple tools. I accept people arguments about addons being shit when they fail to create UI and layout they are comfortable with. 

But expecting people to count and call out timers just because u want to be a purist is a bit dickhead. No wonder so many guilds failed to clear AQ40 on anathema if they are filled with retards that expect challenge in that department. Tell me guys do you actually use keybinds or click with mouse because game isn't remotely hard enough to warrant fast reaction time? Heck do you even use mouse? Touchpad would do... go for it purists accept the challenge please. 

I love when people get fucked in pvp and whine they only lost because their opponent used macros and/or sick addons that he refuse to use because game isn't hard enough:) 

[Justme 9]

1 hour ago, Morathe said:

Must be fun to be raid leader then... counting and calling out for all the noobs that refuse to download and use simple tools. I accept people arguments about addons being shit when they fail to create UI and layout they are comfortable with. 

But expecting people to count and call out timers just because u want to be a purist is a bit dickhead. No wonder so many guilds failed to clear AQ40 on anathema if they are filled with retards that expect challenge in that department. Tell me guys do you actually use keybinds or click with mouse because game isn't remotely hard enough to warrant fast reaction time? Heck do you even use mouse? Touchpad would do... go for it purists accept the challenge please. 

I love when people get fucked in pvp and whine they only lost because their opponent used macros and/or sick addons that he refuse to use because game isn't hard enough:) 

I bet you drive an automatic