Disci Priest Classic

[Lipidus1 0]

hey guys,

 

I just want to know your experience about the disci priest.

I know hes no match for the lvl 60 PvE, but what about PvP or the way to 60?

 

thanks

greez

lipidus

[Docholy 4]

Disc priest are not any different than holy priest in how they play the game.  Not much else to say really.  You just end up with more mana, cheaper instant cast, and power infusion. Their is no bubble spamming and if a priest is doing that they're very bad players. Same with renew, renew is rather worthless unless you're using it to augment to heal raid assignments no other person will heal.  

[Undertanker 88]

PW: Shield is saved on tanks for before or after a known damage spike.   Example, after getting moral struck on Broodlorde, right after a breath on Chromag, when a breath and autoattack on Val happen at the same time.   Twin Emps is another big one.

 

You should have your priest with the most +healing gear to keep renew on the tank, same with druid with the most +healing with imp rejuv specced.

 

 

On farmed content you can throw your Power Infusion to your raids best mage or lock to increase kill times a slight bit.

[Res 0]

Like others have said, there is not really a "disc" priest in vanilla, there is either the standard healing build or a Power Infusion build when you have content on farm to boost raid DPS.

 

To give you a better picture Here's how the different specs can look like, as you can see you spec heavily into both discipline and holy tree for both specs.

 

 

 

Standard Healing build (Some people switch around some talents, but nothing major):

 

 

And this is a Power Infusion Build (again, you can switch around some talents):

 

 

The only difference is with "Disc" (People mostly call it "specced into power infusion") you will do less raw healing,have some extra mana, and being able to cast Power Infusion. The Disc tree provides a lot of helpful things for PVP, like improved mana burn, which is really good against mana users, but you could get that with just your standard healing build, just switching out some of the disc tree points.

[Zappa 7]

There is also the Smite-Priest-Build 32/19/0.

Another variation of a Disci priest.

Very strange and fun to play in pvp.

This one for example. A pvp-oriented fun spec:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bxzGshiqorxt0bb

 

Not really strong, because you will miss silence very very much but with

some nice crits and damage especially when you party with a ret pala with sanctity aura on.

Plus nobody expects damage from you. 

Edited November 23, 2016 by Zappa

[gotmilk0112 10]

Yeah, if you've got Sanctity Aura and the paladin judging Crusader, you will wreck фекал with Smite.

[Lipidus1 0]

thank you guys for the answers, very helpful

[Perperikon 0]

Or this one full healing build. Since raids not depends only one healer. I suggest this http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bxRhsV0oZcxtcc0Vx

 

Its for PvE. If you have good raid group. You shouldn't worry about interruption i think. But since I haven't played vanilla for so long I can't tell. Maybe  others who raiding on other Private servers could tell.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Perperikon

[Procto 9]

There is also the Smite-Priest-Build 32/19/0.

Another variation of a Disci priest.

Very strange and fun to play in pvp.

This one for example. A pvp-oriented fun spec:

http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bxzGshiqorxt0bb

 

Not really strong, because you will miss silence very very much but with

some nice crits and damage especially when you party with a ret pala with sanctity aura on.

Plus nobody expects damage from you. 

Just felt like putting this in here

SMITE POWAAAAH

Edited November 25, 2016 by majory200

[cryofsorrow 5]

Or this one full healing build. Since raids not depends only one healer. I suggest this http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#bxRhsV0oZcxtcc0Vx

 

Its for PvE. If you have good raid group. You shouldn't worry about interruption i think. But since I haven't played vanilla for so long I can't tell. Maybe  others who raiding on other Private servers could tell.

Healing Focus is a must on some fights in raids/dungeons and it's quite useful outside as well. Res' healing build is pretty much the standart. Improved Renew is not boosting your Renew that much but some people prefer it with going 3/3 Improved Renew and 3/5 Holy Specialization. I guess with AQ patch and obtaining Renew Rank 10 via AQ20 book it'll be more useful. Boils down to personal preference and mainly if you're one of the priests in your guild with most +healing that usually gets asigned to keep renew up.

Also, some guilds' Priest crews tend to run just 1 or 2 priests with Divine Spirit but this is small beer.

Edited November 25, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[Aslan 0]

Their is no bubble spamming and if a priest is doing that they're very bad players.  

Caster dps are crying .

[Deathlace 2]

I actually plan on doing a Smite Priest this time around. Should be fun!

[reymond 2]

As far as i remember, smite priest with zg set can be a caster dps with the longest range(same as hunter). In pvp with "41 yards" you can outrange everyone and attack from the safe distance. Another benefit is unlike frostbolt or other similar spells, you can't instantly detect a direction of Smite. There are also some places in the bettlegrounds where you can attack by ignoring line of sight(its blizzlike actually).

[Abn 0]

high end, you dont really want holy priests. Paladin/druids(shamans even more) can do the same hps. and PI on a mage/warlock is such a Dps boost. you dont want to miss it.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Abn

[cryofsorrow 5]

As far as i remember, smite priest with zg set can be a caster dps with the longest range(same as hunter). In pvp with "41 yards" you can outrange everyone and attack from the safe distance. Another benefit is unlike frostbolt or other similar spells, you can't instantly detect a direction of Smite. There are also some places in the bettlegrounds where you can attack by ignoring line of sight(its blizzlike actually).

I think you're mistaking Smite's range with one of the mages' spells, I think Fireball has 41y range with the proper talents. The longest range of Smite, Holy Fire, Mind Blast is 36y with talents. And yes, Smite spam is really fun and it's good damage but you run out of mana really fast and you bring no utilty in PvE. In PvP it's like a machine gun though.

[reymond 2]

The longest range of Smite, Holy Fire, Mind Blast is 36y with talents.

Yes, but:

Smite: 30(initial range) +6(Holy Reach 2/2) + 3 items from this SET (Increase the range of your Smite and Holy Fire spells by 5 yds.) = 41.

Edited November 27, 2016 by reymond

[Theloras 108]

My friend Smiter (Ret Paladin) also raided with a Disc Smite Priest named Smote and together they melted holy faces:

 

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Smote

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37063

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37835

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37839

 

Also, don't forget that not only does a Ret Paladin bring Sanctity Aura but you can also stack all ranks of Judgement of the Crusader:

 

JUDGEMENT OF THE CRUSADER STACKING

Since I was able to prove that multiple ranks of the same Judgement are in fact blizzlike in Vanilla and not bug abuse, we are permitted to put up all 6 ranks of Judgement of the Crusader for a grand total of +631 holy damage (provided that the Rets have PvP gloves which add +20 to JotC).

 

JotC R1 +46 Holy Damage

JotC R2 +57 Holy Damage

JotC R3 +80 Holy Damage

JotC R4 +115 Holy Damage

JotC R5 +149 Holy Damage

JotC R6 +184 Holy Damage

 

If your guild allows multiple Ret Paladins, then I highly suggest that you stack JotC debuffs and use SoC for max +Holy Dmg to the target. In addition to this, I would recommend that you also recruit Discipline Priests who want to spam Holy Fire and Smite to melt some serious unmitigated and unresistable holy face - and don't forget, the Rets bring Sanctity Aura which add another +10% holy dmg to the Disc Priests' damage as well.

 

FYI for reference:

 

Re: Multiple Judgement of Crusade should not be Bannable

by Nano » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:25 am

 

No one has been banned for this and they won't because it's working as intended. This whole thread has run its course.

https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589&start=30#p182280

[cryofsorrow 5]

First of all, this is the Priest section and you should edit your post in half. No normal guild will allow several wasted debuff slots for holy damage increase. Holy Fire on a raid boss, really? "If your guild allows multiple Ret Paladins" <- I don't even need to repond to this. Second, 300 dps with a decked out character that brings 0 utility is hilariously bad. If it's a guild that allows sub-optimal specs, that's okay. However, you and Killerduki make it seem as if people misunderstand retribution paladins and that they are actually viable, which in turn misguides new players and leads to frustration. I have no problem with players playing funny specs, I myself am playing a sub-optimal spec but pretending that it can actually do more than that is just wrong.

Stop intruding topics with paladin stuff, thanks.

Edited November 27, 2016 by cryofsorrow

[Theloras 108]

First of all, this is the Priest section and you should edit your post in half. No normal guild will allow several wasted debuff slots for holy damage increase. Holy Fire on a raid boss, really? "If your guild allows multiple Ret Paladins" <- I don't even need to repond to this. Second, 300 dps with a decked out character that brings 0 utility is hilariously bad. If it's a guild that allows sub-optimal specs, that's okay. However, you and Killerduki make it seem as if people misunderstand retribution paladins and that they are actually viable, which in turn misguides new players and leads to frustration. I have no problem with players playing funny specs, I myself am playing a sub-optimal spec but pretending that it can actually do more than that is just wrong.

Stop intruding topics with paladin stuff, thanks.

OMFG get over yourself already -it's a video game that people play for enjoyment...

 

If you want to join a Min/Max raiding guild then you won't spec Disc in the first place.

 

This thread is about Disc/Smite priests and I showed that Ret + Smite works very well together.

 

Did I mention Holy Fire taking up a debuff slot? No, it's about Smite spam

 

Did I say that you HAD to have 6 Ret Paladins? No, I merely said that the different ranks of Judgement of the Crusader stack together.

 

Perhaps you should leave the discussion...

[Res 0]

The Paladin discussions are bad enough on their dedicated sub-forum, and while disc is the most optimal spec for maximising raid DPS it is because of buffing other DPS, not actually doing DPS as a priest, that being said everyone is free to try whatever they feel like...

 

BUT

 

Saying Smite priests works well with multiple Retribution paladins is like saying a hunter can tank a boss with his pet if all the Paladins spam lay on hands on it and all the DPS:ers are feral druids and shadow priests so they don't over-aggro. It is technically true but it's really not grounded in anything realistic that you would encounter while playing vanilla.

 

Also, there is no point in getting upset and trying to threaten each other, if there's a post you disagree with point out the flaws or just ignore it, no point in getting all personal. Ret Paladins have always been a energetic and zany bunch and will probably always be, so it's better to just leave them be, and hopefully they will stay in their dedicated threads.

 

 

The OP wanted to know what disc priest were like on vanilla, people answered in the first few post, now it's just turning into a brawl.

[Shayss 43]

hey guys,

 

I just want to know your experience about the disci priest.

I know hes no match for the lvl 60 PvE, but what about PvP or the way to 60?

 

thanks

greez

lipidus

 

Hello Lipidus1,

 

A priest going Disc on their way to lvl 60 won't really matter that much till you are lvl 40. You will still pick up Spirit Tap for your leveling regardless and Improved Wand spec is already in Disc.

 

Up till lvl 40, going PvP as a disc also won't make much of a difference.

 

However when you hit 40 you always (ALWAYS) go respec to get Shadowform. This talent is just far too strong to overlook for both PvE lvling and PvP.

 

The increased damage for shadow (15%) outweighs anything Disc can give you and, even more importantly, the 15% physical damage reduction is huge.

 

As for PvE the only reason you would go deep disc at 60 is if your guild has content on farm and you all overgear it, even then your wouldn't probably use it till after BWL because that is when Mages and Warlocks really begin to scale hard.

 

Edit: On a side note, because there seems to be some confusion in this thread, there is no PvE DPS disc priest, but if you think not having 15% physical damage reduction OR Silence is ok in a PvP situation, then sure, go ahead.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Shayss

[Docholy 4]

Also, reread my post about "Min/Max raiding guild", you ваууing troll. Apparently you are the one that doesn't read people's posts. Get out of the Priest section, dumb retard. NOW.

I will find a way for you and may be Killerduki to get suspended or in some way restricted to stop spreading misinformation and troll the community. This is the third forum you're doing the same фекал over and over, even if people SHOWER you in valid arguements and information. No other explanation other than a)severe mental instability (in which case you shouldn't have access to the public)  or b )100% troll.

 Cryofsorrow bro, Killerduki and Theloras are on a campaign to justify bringing in smite priest and rets to raids because those two don't want to level a pure dps class. They are spreading disinformation on purpose to prop up some sick joke they've either bought into or are just en mass trolling.  Either way, no serious guild wll bring a paladin main tank to aq or nax and no serious aq and nax guilds will bring smite priest.  

[Theloras 108]

Also, reread my post about "Min/Max raiding guild", you ваууing troll. Apparently you are the one that doesn't read people's posts. Get out of the Priest section, dumb retard. NOW.

I will find a way for you and may be Killerduki to get suspended or in some way restricted to stop spreading misinformation and troll the community. This is the third forum you're doing the same фекал over and over, even if people SHOWER you in valid arguements and information. No other explanation other than a)severe mental instability (in which case you shouldn't have access to the public)  or b )100% troll.

 

Wow - you are beyond stupid by writing this garbage...

 

Me pointing out that Ret + Smite works well together = I should be suspended?

 

I mean, I've had some stupid trolling $hit thrown my way but you have officially now taken first prize.

 

Not only did I provide RealmPlayers links of the Priest in question, but actual MC, BWL and Onxia raid parses as well showing them working together from Nostalrius:

 

http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Smote

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37063

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37835

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=37839

 

You really should take a break from the game and/or forums man, cuz you really need to get your priorities straight.

 

ONCE AGAIN IT'S A VIDEO GAME - GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT

[Theloras 108]

 Cryofsorrow bro, Killerduki and Theloras are on a campaign to justify bringing in smite priest and rets to raids because those two don't want to level a pure dps class. They are spreading disinformation on purpose to prop up some sick joke they've either bought into or are just en mass trolling.  Either way, no serious guild wll bring a paladin main tank to aq or nax and no serious aq and nax guilds will bring smite priest.  

 

Get over yourself as well Doc - it's a game that people play for fun and enjoyment - if you want to mix/max then be my guest but what you just wrote is pure garbage.

[Shayss 43]

Invades Priest forums - Tries to prove ret + Holy works well together - links weaksauce logs where the top dps for Lucifron is 500.

 

Now, my guild on Nost was definately not amazing, I would say we were above average at best.

 

This is how our logs look:

 

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=37574&Fight=0

 

You will also notice lowbie weaksauce undergeared trial rogues and alt mages (except Ekyza, he shouldn't have been so low) at the bottom there. This was one of the 2x MC raids we ran each week, with our mains split across the board.

 

You keep linking logs to prove your point in almost every thread regarding DPS (Especially if paladins are involved) and noone ever links an actual example of a real log to show you why you are wrong. Even this log I linked you is half the power of a raid with our full geared mains. Ret, Disc, Dps druids, Elemental..  even that Shadow Priest you see there was doing it for funzies (he was also doing more dps than Smote, but that's besides the point -.- ). None of these specs are ever going to be good in vanilla PVE raiding, no matter how much you rage about it.

 

You can still get a spot in some guilds because they don't care. That is cool, as you say, it is only a game.

 

I have now linked you some undisputable proof. Drop it and move on (or atleast of the priest boards).