Is it too late to start on the old PvP Server?

[Undertanker 88]

But this hypothetical you will still have the chance to be on par with them, no? 

 

Bro, it is very easy to get decked out in loot once you are level 60 with more content released and people that have been farming it for months on end, compared to only having Onxyia/MC for months where every person in the raid is going to want every item.  As MT I would still go sometimes 1-2 months without seeing even a side-grade item, much less an upgrade.  Let's see how the newer people fair:

 

I was level 60 for 3 weeks! and got this gear (without BWL which all tier would have been thrown at me): http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Overhealer

 

We picked up a new tank:  http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Yjax  in 3 weeks 14 epics!   While I was there from day one, and sometimes would go 2 months before getting an item.

 

Fresh priest that just hit 60: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Hughue 10 epics in 6 days.   

 

Another tank fresh 60: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Laservere 12 epics in 2 weeks.

 

Different guild warrior: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Amputate 6 in 3 weeks.

 

Different guild rogue: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Squatsonly 10 epics last 4 weeks.

 

Different guild Mage: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Kimoe 12 epics last 5 weeks.

 

Different guild Lock: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=NRB&player=Goldelock was 60 for 10 days, 5 epics already.

 

This is just one small sample size of MANY MANY MANY examples.

 

No reason why somebody who decides to start on Nost-PVP and commit to it shouldn't be extremely well geared before the AQ gates are opened, as that will take a few months to get done.   Plenty of time to level, get a raid spot, have ZG x 2, MC, BWL, Onxyia you can do each week get decked out.

 

 

When Nost went down, we rerolled K-1 and didn't jump ship to K-2.  Why?  Because the goal isn't MC/Onxyia, who cared that we were lvl 1 and people had 8/8 T2. What another player/guild had done, has equipped doesn't change what you do in YOUR raid.  We rose up and progressed and were in AQ when it launched (they were 85%+ done with war effort when we joined server).

 

TL'DR:   Not hypothetical to play "catch-up".  Actually pretty easy if you actually logon and play, and participate in your weekly raid resets.  Don't setup false expectations.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Undertanker

[Tholren 7]

 

 

Cut the quote so I don't spam much.

 

Anyway, yes, people have already ran the argument that gearing up can be quick and painless with the right amount of help in the older servers by me. I moved on to explain my reasoning, and it goes beyond gear. I explained how progression feels different, how you get different opportunities in a fresh server and how the whole experience differs, plus the fact that one thing is catching up quickly, another is being on par with people since the beginning. They look similar, but they're different. And yes, it was also noted that I accidentally deviated from the original question with my arguments, which was eventually pointed out to me, I recognized how I went a off track, which is why my arguments may seem messy. You can say I wasn't on par with the subject, hah!

[Undertanker 88]

^ Fair enough.

[sojs123 0]

definitely not too late it's very easy to join an established guild and get handed full MC / BWL  loot on your first few runs outside of a few of the BIS pieces like trinkets and jewelry most stuff is being sharded

 

item levels don't jump very much from tier - tier like they do in retail so it is easy to catch up with some effort.

 

Ragnaros (end boss MC) drops item level 78

Nef (end boss BWL) - drops item level 83

C'thun(end boss AQ) - drops item level 88

KT (end boss naxx) - drops item level 92

Edited December 7, 2016 by sojs123

[aristotheron 0]

definitely not too late it's very easy to join an established guild and get handed full MC / BWL  loot on your first few runs outside of a few of the BIS pieces like trinkets and jewelry most stuff is being sharded

 

item levels don't jump very much from tier - tier like they do in retail so it is easy to catch up with some effort.

 

Ragnaros (end boss MC) drops item level 78

Nef (end boss BWL) - drops item level 83

C'thun(end boss AQ) - drops item level 88

KT (end boss naxx) - drops item level 92

Yeah that's what everyone wants. They just want to get the loot and have no progression experience. That's what the game is all about, getting the best purple text to bolster your self esteem while you look down on people with less gear.

[sojs123 0]

Yeah that's what everyone wants. They just want to get the loot and have no progression experience. That's what the game is all about, getting the best purple text to bolster your self esteem while you look down on people with less gear.

there isn't progression experience in these early raids is the key thing you're missing man

 

MC was designed to teach people the basics of raiding which the majority of the players already know.

 

the server is on 1.12 talents meaning everything pre naxx / late aq is trivialized by the dps these 1.12 talents bring people can clear mc in full greens as long as the tank has a few boe blues / epics

 

on the fresh server the most try hard guild will rush 60 farm BRD a few times go into lbrs / ubrs and spam runs for half a day while they have a differnt group  of guild mates controlling devilsaurs to craft leatherworking sets then go into MC the following day and blast it down in a few hours

Edited December 7, 2016 by sojs123

[Undertanker 88]

on the fresh server the most try hard guild will rush 60 farm BRD a few times go into lbrs / ubrs and spam runs for half a day while they have a differnt group  of guild mates controlling devilsaurs to craft leatherworking sets then go into MC the following day and blast it down in a few hours

 

Yep.

[OrcWarrior 1]

there isn't progression experience in these early raids is the key thing you're missing man

 

MC was designed to teach people the basics of raiding which the majority of the players already know.

 

the server is on 1.12 talents meaning everything pre naxx / late aq is trivialized by the dps these 1.12 talents bring people can clear mc in full greens as long as the tank has a few boe blues / epics

 

on the fresh server the most try hard guild will rush 60 farm BRD a few times go into lbrs / ubrs and spam runs for half a day while they have a differnt group  of guild mates controlling devilsaurs to craft leatherworking sets then go into MC the following day and blast it down in a few hours

 

 

Preach!

[dahlblom 4]

It's definitely not too late. It will be far easier to be on par with everyone else if you play on the fresh realm, however.

 

 

Not only easier, it might even be much more fun. Regardless of choice and looking at the demand of these servers, raids will always be up. This is Nostalrius after all.

[Njut 0]

Yeah that's what everyone wants. They just want to get the loot and have no progression experience. That's what the game is all about, getting the best purple text to bolster your self esteem while you look down on people with less gear.

 

Lol you have to be a true autist to believe that everyone wants to farm fuccing MC/Ony for months on end AGAIN. No REAL server has made it to Naxx (or even a well scripted AQ) in years. There´s a LOT of people who have played on Kronos, Old nost, and so forth that is fuccing tired of being stuck in the MC/BWL patches. 

 

But to deduct from your post history, I can sort of establish already that you´re daft as $hit. Considering the difficulty of MC on nost there is no "progression" unless you´re either retardéd or completely new to the p-server scene, which leads me to the entitlement of you retail fuccbois who demand that the fresh server is to be released first. you´ll just have to wait like everyone else has done, for basically every single project that has been released. 

 

and lol at people who think just because you´re gonna roll on the fresh server you´ll be "one of the top players, this is my chance". if it hasn´t happened before it certainly won´t happen now. 

 

OT: if you want to be stuck farming фекал content that has been on farm since 2004, go fresh. if you actually want to see AQ40/Naxx, aka real content, go old. 

[Pottu 290]

According to our statistics, about 2/3rds of old Nostalrius PvP population had not reached 60 by closing time. Even if half of those players come back, there will be a massive amount of characters "catching up" with the bleeding-edge raiders. Sub-60 instances as well as MC/Ony/ZG will be ran all the time.

 

It seems that there is a somewhat widespread misconception that Nostalrius PvP was alike to, say Emerald Dream, where the sub-60 population was minuscule and the vast majority of the realm population was decked out in top gear. This is simply not true at all. Despite the notoriously awful turn-over rate of vanilla WoW (only one out of eight players makes it to 60 and keeps playing for month and after month), our population was constantly growing.

[Lorilay 12]

Anecdotally, I leveled alts right up until Nost closed, and each one had no problem running every dungeon. Another anecdote: all of our returning guild members are extremely well geared, so all of our guild members leveling from scratch will wind up getting very geared very fast, as only a few items have any real competition for them.

[Faith 5]

For the... uh... Alliance!! Hehe

[Uncle Ganus of Clan McAnus 0]

According to our statistics, about 2/3rds of old Nostalrius PvP population had not reached 60 by closing time. Even if half of those players come back, there will be a massive amount of characters "catching up" with the bleeding-edge raiders. Sub-60 instances as well as MC/Ony/ZG will be ran all the time.

 

It seems that there is a somewhat widespread misconception that Nostalrius PvP was alike to, say Emerald Dream, where the sub-60 population was minuscule and the vast majority of the realm population was decked out in top gear. This is simply not true at all. Despite the notoriously awful turn-over rate of vanilla WoW (only one out of eight players makes it to 60 and keeps playing for month and after month), our population was constantly growing.

 

By Spotter Klemmy's bad luck, I say - spot on !! These creatures are talking about Nostalrius server as if it was 5 years old while it's been around for like what - 1 year or so ?! Nost IS the bloody Fresh, you useless swabs !!!

[Draegon 1]

According to our statistics, about 2/3rds of old Nostalrius PvP population had not reached 60 by closing time. Even if half of those players come back, there will be a massive amount of characters "catching up" with the bleeding-edge raiders. Sub-60 instances as well as MC/Ony/ZG will be ran constantly.

For the people that are curious. Look up the graphs on the Nost front page.

[LordGold 10]

it makes no sense to open a new server

[Mealticket 0]

The promising thing about the progression up to the point Nost is at... All content is current.

 

MC has some bis items for Rogues and Warriors and all T2 pants.

 

Ony has t2 helm and the head and 18 slot bag.

 

ZG has some of the premier weapons and rings of the content for some classes and specs.

 

BWL has really solid healing gear and a lot of top level trinkets/weapons and T2.

 

All this stuff is being farmed and the lower the tier, the more likely its being PuG'd. 

 

Not to mention, Righteous Orbs/holy water farm in Strat...

 

Everything was in play.

[loonbg 0]

it makes no sense to open a new server

+1

Better one hight pop as we remember than 2 PVP Server with 4-5k players

For this Nost is best with lot of ppl fun levaling and you can always find ppl for quests/dungeons and etc

If Elysium Team release fresh server will be big mistake same mistake that Krono*s 1/2 did

Now krono*s 1 is almost to dead and 2 is half pop(2-3k max)..

 

p.p I have one 60 and 2-3 20-40 lvl chars .. and i will keep playing on Nostalrius PVP realm 

Edited December 7, 2016 by loonbg

[taladril 43]

+1

Better one hight pop as we remember than 2 PVP Server with 4-5k players

For this Nost is best with lot of ppl fun levaling and you can always find ppl for quests/dungeons and etc

If Elysium Team release fresh server will be big mistake same mistake that Krono*s 1/2 did

Now krono*s 1 is almost to dead and 2 is half pop(2-3k max)..

 

p.p I have one 60 and 2-3 20-40 lvl chars .. and i will keep playing on Nostalrius PVP realm 

We will need a new server so it is a good thing the team has announced it and is prepped to split the population. When nost was running it wasn't feasable at the time or in a way for it to conveniently split the pop. It was also a little early. But then it shut down and people learned about the project. The numbers we saw in the stress test is not even close to what the pop is going to be for these things. We aren't going to have a pop of 4-5k each. It's gonna be a pop of 9-10k each with queues. I'm calling it now.

[Kazuma 11]

MC and ZG was already being pugged. It's easy to get started.

[Pmizz 0]

This server has 120k Population

 

You will have no issue finding players exactly like you.

When i played Nost i only reached lvl 44 until it got closed.

There were a SHITTON of people still leveling/freshly dinged 60.

Lvling in Tanaris or STV, both gank fests, you felt like this server was 1 month old.

I don't believe that you have problems catching up at all,

even more so because Nost Pvp launches first.

There will be a huge wave of fresh 1's that can't wait for fresh release,

and won't bother to reroll when they grinded 24/7 for weeks and fresh releases.

 

120k pop

 

The server IS alive

[Slickbrick 0]

I didn't start on Nostalrius until about 4 months before it got shut down and I found the server to be perfect for me. I got to experience all of the current raid content and get gear in over 50% of the raids I joined. I'm now in a position where I can experience AQ when it releases and still not be sick of the old content because I didn't have to farm MC/Ony endlessly to get ready for BWL. I didn't know anyone on the server before I started either, I just made some friends as I played.

 

Ultimately the decision to go fresh or old is yours, but I just wanted to add my 2-cents to help dispel any fears people may have about being too far behind to catch up or experience old content. By going old server, you will still get your chance to wipe in Ony because some rando got knocked into the whelps. The difference is that you'll have a higher chance of getting loot when you finally down her.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Slickbrick

[Undertanker 88]

The promising thing about the progression up to the point Nost is at... All content is current.

 

MC has some bis items for Rogues and Warriors and all T2 pants.

 

Ony has t2 helm and the head and 18 slot bag.

 

ZG has some of the premier weapons and rings of the content for some classes and specs.

 

BWL has really solid healing gear and a lot of top level trinkets/weapons and T2.

 

All this stuff is being farmed and the lower the tier, the more likely its being PuG'd. 

 

Not to mention, Righteous Orbs/holy water farm in Strat...

 

Everything was in play.

To add to this, this is why I loved Vanilla vs the "5 man tokens for gear" in other expansions.

 

Reasons MC will be relevant for a long time (besides T1 and T2 (which some really good T1 for rogues/hunter and warrior gloves.):

 

Ring of spell power, Talisman of Ephemeral Power, Quick Strike Ring, Striker's Mark, Azuresong Mageblade, Wristguards of True Flight, Cauterizing Band, Wild Growth Spaulders, Band of Accuria, Bonereaver's Edge, Perdition's Blade, Brutality Blade, Choker of the Fire Lord,  Aged Core Leather Gloves, Benediction, Cloak of the Shrouded Mist, Rhok'delar, Longbow of the Ancient Keepers, Heavy Dark Iron Ring, Sulfuras, Hand of Ragnaros, Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker

 

20 items, and that is just MC.   Like Mealticket said, many items in ZG hold long term value as well.   Even after getting all your ZG items (and helping your guild do the same), you still want to collect tokens to use: Spirit of Zanza for raids.  (drink 1 before leaving ZG island and buy another to keep in your bag)

[ValarMorghulis 2]

it makes no sense to open a new server

Do you really imagine tens of thousands of players in one realm? Even provided the hardware could handle that, this would be literally unplayable. Questing would take forever, not only because of the struggle for quest mobs but also due to omnipresent wpvp. Even though the population factor has always been one of the top priorities for me, we wouldn't be able to enjoy that, trust me. 

[Redman 0]

To be honest I don't think it's too late to start on any realm, It just depends on what kind of playstyle your looking for. You're going to be behind the curve on any of the old databases but you can always find a spot in raids as other players are going to be doing the same thing. I'm personally joining the PvE server because they're further behind on content and with my lack of social life I'll probably be able to catch up.