Ninja looting allowed?

[Ellipsea 36]

Ninja looting is a player issue, not GM issue.  Maybe the OP hasn't played on a private server before?  Your rep stays with you and follows you where ever you go, keep that in mind.

 

I run with guildies as much as possible, but I enjoy meeting new people too.  If a run is going to be a partial PUG, I insist on being leader and state our simple rules up front so that outsiders can be comfortable in advance.  The only tricky thing that pops up on occasion is something like the orbs from strat.  See that's a valuable mat, so if there's no one who actually needs them, I prefer we all greed until we get one, then we pass with the possibility of everyone getting one.  I have also had a tank run with us that actually needs them, so if we have a pug, I'd explain we're all passing on orbs until the tank has enough and ask if that was acceptable to them.

 

It's really best to get this all straightened out in advance and it has the effect of building a reliable, trustworthy rep not just for me myself, but for my guild's name and that kind of rep is worth way more then stealing one item for oneself.

 

Edit: oh i see OP has been on all kinds of private servers.  I don't recall having issues with sauerkrauts players on nost pve, so I suspect he is just trolling, or hope so.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Ellipsea

[Rayaleith 2]

Still cannot understand from your posts, what is a ninja looter exactly.

[Dralek 5]

I think they should punish only stealing. Like trading mats for a craft and the crafter confiscating these mats. Ninja looting is a different story. (We are talking about dungeons only of course).

 

There are hybrids that may want an item for the leveling process. You cannot deny people this. An enhancement shaman that heals in the dungeon, can need the Corpsemaker just fine. BoE items with great AH value should be rolled by all. The same applies to recipes. It would be great if they pass the Robe of the Void recipe for the lock in the party, but фекал can happen. You cannot call a GM for this.

 

Raids is another story.

 

It should be general knowledge that when a hybrid is healing in lower level dungeons, he is doing so with a dps spec, so it is expected that they roll on dps items, given that is what they need. While there is usually some noob that yells:"you are healing, roll heal ninja!", most people are mature enough to understand the healer's position.

 

I do however always say in advance:"I can heal the dungeon but I will roll on dps items". I mean the main point of low level dungeons while levelling is usually to get exp and complete quests, the items are just a bonus,

Edited December 11, 2016 by Dralek

[Shayss 43]

Still cannot understand from your posts, what is a ninja looter exactly.

 

Here is an example.

 

A group is doing strat, a Rogue, Warrior (tank), Priest, Hunter, Warlock. Robes of the Exalted

They kill Baron Rivendare and Cape of the Black Baron & Robes of the Exalted drop.

The warrior (Tank) decides to need both Items and leaves the party.

This is a clearcut case of  ninja looting.

 

If the tank had said before the dungeon began that he would be rolling on Cape of the Black Baron for his dps spec and didn't need on the Robes either it would not be ninja looting.

 

Another example is a group are doing a run and a BoE Epic item drops. Everyone agrees to greed (never do this ever, it is very stupid). Everyone passes except one guy. He then needs it, instead of pass/greed.

 

The above 2 are the most prevalent kinds of ninjalooting.

[Zappa 7]

Real ninja is rolling Need on items you can´t wear ( plate for shamans e.g. ) or having stats which obviously won´t help you ( +healing for mages, or rogues or whatever ).

 

Actually very simple. People doing it, besides being a prick, only have the intention to sell the items.

 

Hybrids rolling for +heal or +dmg gear - that is definitely not ninja. It is debatable in some cases but not a classical ninja loot.

[Ellipsea 36]

Shayys, I've had zero problems with everyone agreeing to greed on stuff they dont actually need on both the PvP and PvE realms.  I've had people say, let's just all need on it in case someone makes a mistake, and done that too.  It's essentially the same.  

 

The real buggerboo for me is BOE recipes, that's something that definitely needs to be agreed on in advance.

[Buffdaddy 0]

I never ninja looted anything in my entire life, au contraire I've been victim of multiple ninja lootings, even of really "important" drops such as ZG tiger mount, flask reciepes etc. But I also never got really mad about it and I always found it amusing how people get mad about it. Today I woke up and remembered some hilarious ninja videos and was wondering how Nostalrius treats such players, bcuz on Feenix they handled that topic much stricter. That's it about it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMylc2Or1Ic (my fav)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0nuilryzcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOzTbh9as18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjRpqsxOm-g

 

aren't such reactions hilarious? :lol:

Edited December 11, 2016 by Buffdaddy

[Shayss 43]

Hm. Other than Domo chests, the rest is very bad from raid leader. Shoulda done a ML ; /

[Buffdaddy 0]

Hm. Other than Domo chests, the rest is very bad from raid leader. Shoulda done a ML ; /

That girl's scream in the first video :D Or when she says "I'm going to kill myself right now! Cya!" . But the best reaction was of the guy saying "Holy ... never drops" - he was clearly close to tears :D

[ironskillet2 2]

here is the thing, if you want to ninja loot, do it.. but..... be warned.

 

be.. VERY.. warned

 

vanilla communities are good at pointing out the people who do this. Ninja looting risks becoming black-listed by a big portion of the server you play on. basically the only way to recover from it is to start over again on a new toon.

[Undertanker 88]

Yeah, bad gestures stick with you regardless of realm population. Hunter wiping pug ZG cause he didn't get Raptor... this was back last December and the guy still struggles for guild spots. A rogue ninja Corehound Tooth, didn't get another raid spot even in pugs.

Reputation > Gear in Vanilla.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Undertanker

[Pottu 290]

We leave loot disputes entirely into the hands of the players.

[Tholren 7]

We leave loot disputes entirely into the hands of the players.

 

[Buffdaddy 0]

We leave loot disputes entirely into the hands of the players.

[Rayaleith 2]

[Syanis 2]

As long as they don't allow name changes or they are costly I'd say to just let the community handle it. No dungeon finder / lfg queues or cross server raids which means the community polices itself. Add in that realm transfers won't be a thing as well. A ninja looter may get away with some crap low levels but when it gets to the big stuff reputation means a lot. A raid leader / master looter who ninja's quickly finds themselves without a raid who will likely replace them, guildless as no guild wants to be associated with a known ninja looter, void of future raids because their name gets passed around as a ninja even when ML is on someone else and they can't ninja its still a point. They will quickly get shunned by the entire server and end up screwed. In old days many of those ninja's ended up paying for name changes and server transfers and even rolling fresh because their old ninja character was shunned.

[Undertanker 88]

No name changes here, just for that reason.

[Xom 8]

Why would you ever think this was worthwhile? The small-term benefits you get from one or two items is going to be paltry in comparison to the dozens/hundreds of times you get passed-over by people saying "nah I heard he was a ninja, get someone else". I met someone in retail vanilla who ninja'd something from someone in a Scholomance (some shitty blue) and he ended up having to reroll since no one in the server would invite him to a group - or he would get into a group and someone would always know "he's that ваууin' ninja, kick him."

 

Having a bad reputation is the best way to lose out on opportunities.

 

You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[Vynia 1]

On 11-12-2016 at 9:50 AM, kegis said:

I believe in this exact concept that it is the players fault not the dev's if they had a shitty leader, i dont think it should be the GM's responsibillity to cater to cry babies who got ninja looted. 

Although im no GM id like to hear ones stand point on this.

 

TOS says "steal resource nodes, chests, items (Does this include when crafting) 

Griefing

Players can interact in a variety of ways, not all of them constructive. You may encounter players that steal resource nodes, chests, items, lead monsters to new areas and summon demons that raise havoc.

 

Elysium staff will not intervene in these situations as the community may take measures concerning these players. However, behaviour that is considered to be contrary to the essence of the Game will be considered a violation of this agreement.

 

Such behaviour is considered griefing which includes but are not limited to the following:

 

Exactly what has been said there is that they won't care about you ninja'ng 1 item, or spawning 1 doomlord.

But once you keep doing the same shit they might very well do something about it.

Now talking about someone ninja'ng you gear and you blame the leader?

I would kindly want you to remind that it is always something...

Then the leader is stupid because he doesn't explain anything, then he is a slowpoke because he does explain everything.

If the leader puts loot on master loot 9 / 10 who doesn't know him "yet" will leave.

After everyone has left and he found new people every time ANYTHING drops you as leader is gonna do the looting, rolling etc etc.

So you are saying me that because I don't wanna fuck over 3 of the other party members i'm a bad leader because I expect to be threaten as i treat others.

It just sounds a lot of bs to me, being honest...

Just like the TOS we only help if we feel like it! Yea right no wonder this world has gone to hell.

[Pottu 290]

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