The future of Legacy, starts now!

[KromKrush 0]

9 minutes ago, Warl0ck said:

As somebody who really supports this project, this just looks bad.  AFTER it leaks, you can't say you're suddenly going open source.  You're just going to take a big hit on credibility.

like their credibility can get lower in the whiny babies who cry 24/7 on these forums.  This is called damage control every person with a brain does it.

[BogyOne 2]

Yeah, like that matters at all, whether they went OS before or after, core is out there.

Is it an invitation to player base to cooperate with devs? Any legit link to core?

[Shenna 1135]

3 minutes ago, BogyOne said:

Yeah, like that matters at all, whether they went OS before or after, core is out there.

Is it an invitation to player base to cooperate with devs? Any legit link to core?

The official repository is going to be ready later this week.

[Worldstar 36]

O this gonna be gud

[Ram 11]

Shenna, isn't this all too much bull shit and stress for you to take? If I was you, I'd turn the computer & smartphone off, buy a cigar, smoke it and enjoy your life instead of wasting time on a project that is already ensnared in too many conspiracy theories and damaging rumours. On Feenix it was the same and once it started, it could not be stopped.

[Zhee 0]

I really don't get all the negativity.

Sure, shit happens, but we are entitled to exactly NOTHING. 

I'm just thankful for getting the opportunity to play the game, fully aware of the risks involved. 

[Storfan 24]

1 hour ago, KromKrush said:

This is a China gold companies wet dream  can see vulnerabilities and work arounds....Whoever leaked this is a damn idiot.

You know it works both ways.

 

I really dont understand all the negativity.  JUST ENJOY THE GOD DAMN GAME ALREADY!

 

I ORDER YOU ALL TO ENJOY IT AND STOP COMPLAINING!

Edited February 28, 2017 by Storfan

[bunbuns 5]

3 hours ago, Shenna said:

 We will make legacy servers great again and we will not falter. 

 

[alkovirus 0]

Don't forget to thank Shenna & Elysium staff for doing great work: 1) taking core from Nostalrius staff 2) hiring shady mfckers and giving them access to the server 3) leaking the core (and most likely the database) to the public.

Oh cmon but they gave you your daily fix of vanilla WoW for 2-3 months. They did it all for you, disregarding their own personal, selfish interests - can I get some applause for those amazing and selfless human beings?
Open Source project - fuck yeah. Now all the hackers and botters can help you devlop the game to make it even more bot / hack - friendly then before.

If they succeed you will never know they are here

Edited February 28, 2017 by alkovirus
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[o0oNullo0o 4]

Word.

[Undertanker 88]

@Shenna and the rest of the team:

 

You guys put up with a lot of crap from a loud minority of the community. Unfortunate recent events have pulled people in different directions and you all continue to roll with the punches and adjust.  I understand the political correctness and professionalism you have to uphold while keyboard bullies take their best shots.

That being said:

When you guys took the lead in the Nost relaunch, you reconnected 10s of thousands of friendships created from players doing what they love.  Offered an experience for gamers to rekindle their inner geek, take MMORPG back to the glory days, and allow people born in the wrong decade to experience what many of us did 13 years ago.

From the perspective of a true RPG gamer, it doesn't matter who host.  It doesn't matter what country the admins originate from.  It doesn't matter if it is closed source, or open source.  It doesn't matter that 0.001% percent of the player base are cancerous keyboard warriors can only find the negative and magnify it.  Our team has fun.  We enjoy our time together.  No game in my long life of gaming from the early 90s has captured my attention and time investment as Vanilla has.  If it wasn't for you all relaunching the, Nost database, I wouldn't be here and would have walked away from it all.

I feel I speak from a silent majority when I simply say thank you.

Best of luck as you venture into this new territory of Open Source.  Take full advantage of the position contribution the passionate community can provide.

My team will continue preparations for AQ.  

[ricflare 0]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Zhee 0]

1 minute ago, Undertanker said:

From the perspective of a true RPG gamer, it doesn't matter who host.  It doesn't matter what country the admins originate from.  It doesn't matter if it is closed source, or open source.  It doesn't matter that 0.001% percent of the player base are cancerous keyboard warriors can only find the negative and magnify it.  Our team has fun.  We enjoy our time together.  No game in my long life of gaming from the early 90s has captured my attention and time investment as Vanilla has.  If it wasn't for you all relaunching the, Nost database, I wouldn't be here and would have walked away from it all.

 

This.

*claps excitedly* 

Thank you.

[BogyOne 2]

3 hours ago, wickedwizard said:

people should just stfu and let the team work. If you can do a better server, there's the core -  gtfo. 

I thought actually to set up VM with home server, not because I don't like this one but because I would like to multibox some instances.

I'd like to have see more open minded approach towards multiboxing, currently people treat it with same attitude as Blizzard players talk about private servers. ;)

[BogyOne 2]

11 minutes ago, Undertanker said:

@Shenna and the rest of the team:

 

(...)  Take full advantage of the position contribution the passionate community can provide.(...)

Exactly, just compare outcome of creative WoW addon community with work of few sad guys doing SWTOR UI.

[metagame 8]

Anyone who thinks security through obscurity is a good idea is misguided.

This is the best thing to happen to the Vanilla WoW community since original ED opened years ago. 

 

[Kurupt 8]

1 hour ago, RagingDemon said:

"This is something we have been discussing internally, with a very select few individual. We have kept this very close to our chests as we wanted to make sure this would be the right move for the legacy community. This was also a part of why LGN was formed, complete transparency with 100% focus on the community and the players."

How about you start saying the truth for once, Heisenberg in Breaking bad lied less than you.

 

 

Lol, pretty much.

[Tanked 2]

8 minutes ago, BogyOne said:

I thought actually to set up VM with home server, not because I don't like this one but because I would like to multibox some instances.

I'd like to have see more open minded approach towards multiboxing, currently people treat it with same attitude as Blizzard players talk about private servers. ;)

I thought about this as well. I used to play on a very active wotlk server and multiboxed there for years, mainly for PVE reasons and really wanted to do it in vanilla as it allows you to be much more self sufficient. The server I am speaking of (won't mention the name) was fine and a small amount of people multibox on the regular. The ONLY negative I saw come from it, other than a some whiny people that thought they could 1 vs 5 and got mad that they lost, were the extreme boxers the very few that decided to create 20+ toons and wreak havoc. I think that any server that would allow at least up to five accounts would be great and still have the ability to socialize and be with a community instead of having to run your own server to do it and have no community.

[alkovirus 0]

12 minutes ago, metagame said:

Anyone who thinks security through obscurity is a good idea is misguided.

This is the best thing to happen to the Vanilla WoW community since original ED opened years ago. 

 

if you think addon development and server core development are same thing, then you clearly have no clue how security works.

addons are nothing more than graphical representation of what is already accessible to everyone - it's all about one's creativity and ingenuity.

server security is a constant cat&mouse game between defenders and attackers, that gives the defenders only slight edge if the code is inaccessible to the attackers, so that the attackers (hackers) have to keep guessing how to breach the defence.

the only positive thing that can come out of this is if other teams (twinstar etc.) will build on it on their own.

Shenna is good at damage control and playing hero for doing villain's work. What a twisted and wicked girl she is. I'm having a constant boner reading her posts.

Edited February 28, 2017 by alkovirus

[Fizzlestix 1]

Good job. Open Source is the way to go

[metagame 8]

8 minutes ago, alkovirus said:

if you think addon development and server core development are same thing, then you clearly have no clue how security works.

addons are nothing more than graphical representation of what is already accessible to everyone - it's all about one's creativity and ingenuity.

server security is a constant cat&mouse game between defenders and attackers, that gives the defenders only slight edge if the code is inaccessible to the attackers, so that the attackers (hackers) have to keep guessing how to breach the defence.

the only positive thing that can come out of this is if other teams (twinstar etc.) will build on it on their own.

Shenna is good at damage control and playing hero for doing villain's work. What a twisted and wicked girl she is. I'm having a constant boner reading her posts.

Not sure what you're talking about re: addons, my post does not mention addons, nor do I have any interest discussing addons in this thread. 

Regarding security via obscurity, It's only a matter of time until the functionality is discovered and abused. In many cases the core will be leaked silently, at that point obscurity leads to a false sense of security. This is the worst situation possible from a security standpoint because trusting code to be obscured when it is already leaked, possibly for months, before detection is incredibly dangerous. 

It is better to write secure code from the beginning and open source it to be examined by experts. Relying on obscurity is a fool's errand; hackers will eventually reverse engineer or socially engineer their way to victory. 

Look at the bitcoin core code as an example. Completely open source and never hacked once, holds $17 billion worth of value in an open source system. 

[Dracon 1]

46 minutes ago, alkovirus said:

Open Source project - fuck yeah. Now all the hackers and botters can help you devlop the game to make it even more bot / hack - friendly then before.

If they succeed you will never know they are here

That is something you should really take into consideration.

Edited February 28, 2017 by Dracian

[Schlomo 0]

8 minutes ago, Dracian said:

That is something you should really take into consideration.

Shuffling through code to find weaknesses takes a lot of effort and time. Most of these people commenting on how easy it will be for hackers to "crack into the code" clearly sound like the only code they've ever written is "Hello World" tier.

 

Going open source after a leak is actually a good decision from a security stand point, because even if the hackers manage to find one of those cracks in the code by looking at it for hours, code-savvy people concerned about their own security and the server's security will be doing the same, making the process of fixing these issues a lot faster than before with just a handful of developers who are volunteering a limited amount time to the project and might overlook things.

[alkovirus 0]

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Going open source after a leak is actually a good decision

You make it sound like Shenna had any control of what's going on

The code went open source the moment it was leaked and she had no saying in it.

Elysium days are numbered because the open source server on the go is also open hack server.

You guys are naive if you think everyone with programming knowledge will go right of the bat to improve the security and the core and not just use that knowledge to exploit the shit out of Elysium, Anathema, Zeth'kur etc. and make it a living hell for anyone.

Some hacker troll will simply leak ways to dupe gold, bypass game mechanics, textures or create items out of thin air - you think playing on such server will be fun?

 

Edited February 28, 2017 by alkovirus

[Overtime 6]

2 minutes ago, alkovirus said:

You make it sound like Shenna had any control of what's going on

The code went open source the moment it was leaked and she had no saying in it.

Elysium days are numbered because the open source server on the go is also open hack server.

You guys are naive if you think everyone with programming knowledge will go right of the bat to improve the security and the core and not just use that knowledge to exploit the shit out of Elysium, Anathema, Zeth'kur etc.

I doubt anticheat will be open source.