So, let's talk about the population diminishing

[Guest]

Common mistake to consider raidloggers to be healthy playerbase.

[Ickus 40]

Dude you're talking to one of the few people that are farming and not raid logging but you want a server with a 1.5x bizzlike pop to complete and effort with 10x the requirements and then chastise us for not farming.

[Guest]

Dude, find some other dude, and reproduce, so that you won't have to call yourself "one of the few" and sit in minority.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Jorn Skyseer

[Dralek 5]

4 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Dude you're talking to one of the few people that are farming and not raid logging but you want a server with a 1.5x bizzlike pop to complete and effort with 10x the requirements and then chastise us for not farming.

I'm speaking in general terms to the hardcore raider, not trying to single you out personally or offend you (I have no idea who you are).

And I'm not chastising anyone, I'm simply replying your argument that "raiders have nothing to do, but do boring raids". And I'm replying they can simply farm boring mats instead, and be bored just as they are, while being productive.

[Guest]

4 минуты назад, Dralek сказал:

I'm speaking in general terms to the hardcore raider

You can't speak to the hardcore raider, because their kind is thoroughly busy being bored and sitting logged off, not playing at all.

[Banezilla 2]

Raid loggers don't contribute much to the community.

[buhnanner 0]

the pop is gonna drop regardless. the recent drama has caused a lot of people to leave. i really could give less of a shit, im not playing on kronos i dont care what elysium has done. still has thousands playing, no shop, and works well. good enough for me

[Slicy 11]

24 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

Raid loggers don't contribute much to the community.

Raid logging inevitably happens when you are raiding MC/BWL for over year(s), which is the case for the bunch that wouldn't raid log if they were given the opportunity to take part in an event suitable for the server. For now, what has been added to it within months is mainly different kind of fancy wbosses bugs and a custom/retarded war effort without the quests it should even come up with, on top of itemization patches mistakes that wasted time for both players and staff.

[Uglyaf 9]

3 минуты назад, Slicy сказал:

Raid logging inevitably happens when you are raiding MC/BWL for over year(s), which is the case for the bunch that wouldn't raid log if they were given the opportunity to take part in an event suitable for the server. For now, what has been added to it within months is mainly different kind of fancy wbosses bugs and a custom/retarded war effort without the quests it should even come up with, on top of itemization patches mistakes that wasted time for both players and staff.

Besides scepter quest chain there is nothing supposed to be added. Combat badges quests came out in patch 1.9.4 or smth like that, also server had to complete WE and open gates. 

[Slicy 11]

Just now, Uglyaf said:

Besides scepter quest chain

That is already a good dozen quests with fuck ton content, just saying.

[Banezilla 2]

Or you could play the game, socialize, help friends, play an alt, etc.

I'm guilty of raid logging on Nost.

[Ickus 40]

6 minutes ago, Slicy said:

That is already a good dozen quests with fuck ton content, just saying.

^^^ plus all the amazing world pvp

[Haestingas 30]

People asking us to farm mats obviously have done zero math on the war effort. Guess what, the hardcore people have crunched the numbers, and the reason they are so disheartened is that the #s would take 2+ months even if every single spawn was farmed on cool down. Sorry not fucking sorry, I farmed my ass off for 8h straight and that resulted in .04℅ of the firebloom turn ins. 

On the server pop question, it was a huge mistake to open two more servers, the team is obviously stretched thin due to over reaching. They also obviously didn't learn from Kronos, where opening more servers killed their 1st server.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Haestingas

[Ickus 40]

5 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

People asking us to farm mats obviously have done zero math on the war effort. Guess what, the hardcore people have crunched the numbers, and the reason they are so disheartened is that the #s would take 2+ months even if every single spawn was farmed on cool down. Sorry not fucking sorry, I farmed my ass off for 8h straight and that resulted in .04℅ of the firebloom turn ins. 

 

PS many of us already have geared alts

This.

[Dralek 5]

1 hour ago, Haestingas said:

People asking us to farm mats obviously have done zero math on the war effort. Guess what, the hardcore people have crunched the numbers, and the reason they are so disheartened is that the #s would take 2+ months even if every single spawn was farmed on cool down. Sorry not fucking sorry, I farmed my ass off for 8h straight and that resulted in .04℅ of the firebloom turn ins. 

On the server pop question, it was a huge mistake to open two more servers, the team is obviously stretched thin due to over reaching. They also obviously didn't learn from Kronos, where opening more servers killed their 1st server.

So? A lot of realms took over a month to open the gates, nothing strange there. Problem is here big guilds are slacking off, casual guilds are slacking off, and random players are slacking off. Maybe it will take us 3 months to do it.

However, I'm not asking for you to farm anything. I'm just pointing out that there are people crying in the forums about it, without actually making an effort to complete the event.

The anathema community is the one failing. The fact that the admins actually tried to make something very vanilla like, by making it hard is something good.

I mean seriously, each time the "raid loggers" log in to farm "boring MC", why don't they use that hour to farm mats? Oh...they don't want to, they rather kill Onyxia for the millionth time instead.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Mahtan 15]

Level a char with an uncommon spec, play a a char selffound, try out PvP as engineer, do some exploration and walljumping in the world, built a low level PvP twink, make speed runs in dungeons, complete your recipes, farm reputation with the Shen'dralar, try out a roleplay guild, make your own WoW video, level a char with a friend and try out dungeons with just two players,...

AQ20/40 will be boring just like MC/BWL/Only/ZG, if you concentrate on it and have a burn out after finishing the progression. :(

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, Dralek said:

So? A lot of realms took over a month to open the gates, nothing strange there. Problem is here big guilds are slacking off, casual guilds are slacking off, and random players are slacking off. Maybe it will take us 3 months to do it.

However, I'm not asking for you to farm anything. I'm just pointing out that there are people crying in the forums about it, without actually making an effort to complete the event.

The anathema community is the one failing. The fact that the admins actually tried to make something very vanilla like, by making it hard is something good.

I mean seriously, each time the "raid loggers" log in to farm "boring MC", why don't they use that hour to farm mats? Oh...they don't want to, they rather kill Onyxia for the millionth time instead.

Bro no one is slacking... the war effort is absurd and ppl that had stocked mats quit. Even if we farm like savages we're not raising 450k in firebloom. They didn't make it hard, they made it unreasonable for the server size.

[Haestingas 30]

Math is hard, making the turn ins 22x harder on a server with 2x the pop is fucking dumb, and you are ridiculous for blaming the anathema community. We could literally farm every mat of every single turn in on perfect cooldown and it would still take 2 months. Considering that's straight up impossible it would be 4+ months, which will kill the server.

I would have been perfectly fine with them delaying the AQ release if they were up front about the whole thing, but this ridiculous WE has left a poor taste in the servers mouths. It's the staff that said they were aiming for 3-4 weeks, and that's obviously not remotely feasible. They then tell us last weekend they will give us an update, half ass a custom content announcement, back out of said custom event after some backlash, then say they will update us on Tuesday about the WE. It's now Friday with no update.

The raiding community just want up front updates on the state of AQ, and what is a realistic release date for it. The raiding community would for the most part be perfectly fine if they say AQ won't be ready until lets say May, as long as they firmly commit to that date. It bugs the ever living hell out of us that Elysium keeps giving us these deadlines and failing to hit them over and over again. IF YOU CAN'T HIT THE DEADLINE RELIABLY THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO GIVE YOURSELVES MORE ROOM. THIS IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101!

 

[Ickus 40]

13 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Math is hard, making the turn ins 22x harder on a server with 2x the pop is fucking dumb, and you are ridiculous for blaming the anathema community. We could literally farm every mat of every single turn in on perfect cooldown and it would still take 2 months. Considering that's straight up impossible it would be 4+ months, which will kill the server.

I would have been perfectly fine with them delaying the AQ release if they were up front about the whole thing, but this ridiculous WE has left a poor taste in the servers mouths. It's the staff that said they were aiming for 3-4 weeks, and that's obviously not remotely feasible. They then tell us last weekend they will give us an update, half ass a custom content announcement, back out of said custom event after some backlash, then say they will update us on Tuesday about the WE. It's now Friday with no update.

The raiding community just want up front updates on the state of AQ, and what is a realistic release date for it. The raiding community would for the most part be perfectly fine if they say AQ won't be ready until lets say May, as long as they firmly commit to that date. It bugs the ever living hell out of us that Elysium keeps giving us these deadlines and failing to hit them over and over again. IF YOU CAN'T HIT THE DEADLINE RELIABLY THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO GIVE YOURSELVES MORE ROOM. THIS IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101!

 

This guy makes sense. Dralek plz take note.

[Dralek 5]

1 hour ago, Haestingas said:

Math is hard, making the turn ins 22x harder on a server with 2x the pop is fucking dumb, and you are ridiculous for blaming the anathema community. We could literally farm every mat of every single turn in on perfect cooldown and it would still take 2 months. Considering that's straight up impossible it would be 4+ months, which will kill the server.

I would have been perfectly fine with them delaying the AQ release if they were up front about the whole thing, but this ridiculous WE has left a poor taste in the servers mouths. It's the staff that said they were aiming for 3-4 weeks, and that's obviously not remotely feasible. They then tell us last weekend they will give us an update, half ass a custom content announcement, back out of said custom event after some backlash, then say they will update us on Tuesday about the WE. It's now Friday with no update.

The raiding community just want up front updates on the state of AQ, and what is a realistic release date for it. The raiding community would for the most part be perfectly fine if they say AQ won't be ready until lets say May, as long as they firmly commit to that date. It bugs the ever living hell out of us that Elysium keeps giving us these deadlines and failing to hit them over and over again. IF YOU CAN'T HIT THE DEADLINE RELIABLY THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO GIVE YOURSELVES MORE ROOM. THIS IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101!

 

Quite the contrary, rather than showing support or trying to solve the issue like adults, what we got was a mass exodus from top hardcore raiding guilds acting like 5 year old drama queens after 1 or 2 days of the announcement, in fact one that was so childish as asking for a donation back that got anathema down for 3 days. Rather than waiting to have a nice talk with the admins about it.

Remember anathema is 1 among 4 realms, one that believe it or not has other problems that can take up priority, like the consant DDOS attack, connection issues, hackers, gold farmers, etc. Lets also not forget that, with the recent drama the admin staff is now fewer in numbers, and have a life outside the project, so expecting them to be on a 24/7 watch list is naive at best.

So saying that:"the admins promised to talk about it on tuesday, and OMG 3 days later and nothing!" is just being impatient.

We all know that the admins will eventually reduce the materials necessary, given that almost everyone willing to contribute is asking for it. But until then, there is no reason as to why everyone that was planning on contributing shouldn't do so. Its not like what you turn in now won't matter. Certainly the material requierements won't stay like this, but they will still be higher than in the original version.

And I do blame the anathema community: 1/3 of them are oblivious to the event andf have only tried to benefit from it (making prices higher), the other 1/3 just sits around crying about it, while the final 1/3 (probably much much less) is actually busting their asses playing the war effort, while waiting for the admins to see what happens. Certainly if after 1 month, the war effort is at only 10% they will call it and end it themselvers.-

So instead of having to discuss this over and over, we could all just be playing, saving materials, turn them in (or not), and simply wait.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Dralek 5]

2 hours ago, Haestingas said:

The raiding community just want up front updates on the state of AQ, and what is a realistic release date for it. The raiding community would for the most part be perfectly fine if they say AQ won't be ready until lets say May, as long as they firmly commit to that date. It bugs the ever living hell out of us that Elysium keeps giving us these deadlines and failing to hit them over and over again. IF YOU CAN'T HIT THE DEADLINE RELIABLY THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO GIVE YOURSELVES MORE ROOM. THIS IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT 101!

 

To answer this specifically:

Sure they can't keep up with deadlines, but have you considered all the unexpected problems that have arose in the past months?

DDOS attack, crash due to removal of donation payments, drama with nostalrius former staff, drama by silly streamers, part of the admin staff leaving, drama by guilds etc. Imagine having a project and setting a deadline to work on AQ; but then one guilds screwes u over and you have to spend 3 days contacting your hoster to fix the server? thats 3 days of work lost.

Throw in all the daily problems, such as people having account problems, reviewing bans, contacting support on how to connect, checking this ENTIRE forum, fixing bugged quests, handling server errors, hiring new staff or talking with other realms for collabortion,etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

And finally multiply all of these problems anathema suffers, by 4, because Elysium, Darrowshire and Zek'thur have problems of their own.

Considering all the problems that Anathema has experienced since it was released, I'm actually surprised they haven't close it all together. And what do you expect, for them to say:"Hey guys we are sorry, AQ isn't exactly ready because you see, every time we are working on the server, something happens and we have to focus on it" .... and another part of the community goes bonkers and creates more drama.

If the community, for once, tried to take this like adults, be patient and stop crying, the realm would be amazing again. Unfortunatly, this will never be the case.

It is surprising no one can realise that admins are actually making a huge effort just to keep this afloat. And consider they do all this...while also having a life of their own.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Haestingas 30]

Good to see you are an unabashed jerk blaming the community (who stayed through all the drama) for the continuing problems with the WE. Thankfully I can just make you an enemy and never read your senseless text ever again.

[Mahtan 15]

Sometimes I wonder if some of you really played retail at all.

10-12 months of waiting for new content has been a common situation before each new expansion. Blizzard made even false promises again and again to reduce that gap next time, which they didn't. And you troll the Elysium Project team for breaking promises? You think a delay of AQ will kill Anathema? Oh damn, you really did not play retail at all!

Edited March 24, 2017 by Mahtan

[Dralek 5]

2 minutes ago, Haestingas said:

Good to see you are an unabashed jerk blaming the community (who stayed through all the drama) for the continuing problems with the WE. Thankfully I can just make you an enemy and never read your senseless text ever again.

If that is your response to my argument defending the staff, all I can do is laugh at it.

Edited March 24, 2017 by Dralek

[Lorilay 12]

30 minutes ago, Mahtan said:

Sometimes I wonder if some of you really played retail at all.

10-12 months of waiting for new content has been a common situation before each new expansion. Blizzard made even false promises again and again to reduce that gap next time, which they didn't. And you troll the Elysium Project team for breaking promises? You think a delay of AQ will kill Anathema? Oh damn, you really did not play retail at all!

It pretty much killed Emerald Dream and K1, both of which had vastly extended war efforts (6 months and 1 year) to stall for the devs since AQ wasn't finished.