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[Frz 0]

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This is the start of a class action lawsuit against Blizzard Entertainment for the removal of Classic World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade and will most likley apply to other future versions of the game.

The funds will be 100% used to fund this campaign including law fees and other random fees that may be accumulated over this process.

I cannot guarantee  that we will be sucsessful but I feel we have a strong chance of winning or at least rattling them enough to make a change.

Below I included the key points that would be brought to the table regarding this lawsuit.  Prior to any court date I will personally contact blizzard and attempt to settle with some sort of agreement.  I havent determined an exact value that I will sue them for, but it will be quite a large number, enough to scare them.  3.53 Million copies were sold in the first month.  Just using that value, dividing it by 50% and multiplying it by $50 (retail price) we result in a value of 105 Million Dollars.  As you read my reasoning for the lawsuit you will understand where I pulled these numbers from.

I live in the United States and am fully capable of seeing this lawsuit through.  Below are the points for the lawsuit.

1.        Blizzard sold copies of World of Warcraft to consumers and after two years the game was removed and replaced by World of Warcraft – Wrath of the Lich King (WotLK).  The game “World of Warcraft – The Burning Crusade (TBC)” was removed consumers were unable to play the game they paid for.

2.       Blizzard never preemptively informed consumers that the game they purchased: “World of Warcraft – The Burning Crusade”  would be no longer playable after two years on its own specific servers. In addition these customers paid a $15 per month fee during this time on top of the actual purchase of the game which costs roughly $50 (Classic World of Warcraft) plus $45 (TBC Expansion Pack)

3.       Porting the game from TBC to WotLK creates an entirely different game IE, entirely different economy,  different final bosses (Kil'jaeden VS The Lich King).  Although there are many more examples, these simple facts make the two games completely distinguishable.

4.       Blizzard created a new expansion without consideration for people without the new expansion.  Blizzard took no effort into accommodating the old paying customers and instead bullied paying customers into purchasing a product they didn’t want, but was required to continue to play the game.

5.       Petitions were created to persuade Blizzard to do the right thing and release “Old Content Servers” but Blizzard simply ignored them. Source. It has been determined by the community that what Blizzard has done is illegal.

6.       Monetary greed is the overall reason they forced this expansion on the community.  The majority of people prefer TBC over WotLK and Blizzard wanted to sell another expansion pack without considering the community or the fact that we purchased a game we wanted to play.  TBC was taken from the community forcefully.

7.       Given these points above blizzard basically bullied their customers into buying the future expansions because the previous expansions would be unplayable due to lack of community and lack of partitioning of the community into one central server for players on “The old expansion”.  In short, Blizzard exiled players off the previous expansions making the game they paid for obsolete. 

Petition Source: https://www.change.org/p/mike-morhaime-legacy-server-among-world-of-warcraft-community

Thanks for Reading

[Stylophone 1]

No matter what expansion pack you purchased, the game you paid for is called World of Warcraft®, the service they provided is called World of Warcraft online service. It was NOT specifically for any expansion. Take a look the official ToU before you start wasting your life...

[Revo 34]

thats exactly what i feel. we paid for it, yet we can not play it on blizzards servers and we are not allowed to play it elsewhere. we paid for vanilla/tbc and now we are forced to play legion or GTFO. this just does not feel "right" and i wish this movement the best of luck!

[Svetozar 0]

i'd like 10 grand too

[behemothdog 4]

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I live in the United States and am fully capable of seeing this lawsuit through.  

I live in the united states and doubt this is legit.

Edited March 21, 2017 by behemothdog

[Morathe 5]

Lol at the whole idea. Its like you folks sued your favorite artist cause he can't/don't want to play music same way as he did 30 years ago when you originally bought the first recording. Get some brain. Wow changed and all the rights you have is to like it or not. Its not like some public good you are entitled to.

Edited March 21, 2017 by Morathe

[Revo 34]

8 minutes ago, Stylophone said:

No matter what expansion pack you purchased, the game you paid for is called World of Warcraft®, the service they provided is called World of Warcraft online service. It was NOT specifically for any expansion. Take a look the official ToU before you start wasting your life...

so if blizzard just added a patch tomorrow that completly turned wow in a hello-kitty game, it would be OK because they keep calling it World of Warcraft®?

im european, but im sure the USA also has customer rights to protect customers from false advertisement and other "abuses"

Edited March 21, 2017 by Revo

[Morathe 5]

 

3 minutes ago, Revo said:

so if blizzard just added a patch tomorrow that completly turned wow in a hello-kitty game, it would be OK because they keep calling it World of Warcraft®?

im european, but im sure the USA also has costumer rights to protect costumers from false advertisement and other "abuses"

It would be perfectly fine from law perspective. Fact they'd probably loose 99.9% playerbase doesn't mean shit. We as players are users, not owners. Ofc using your argument they'd have to stop advertising it as fantasy game (although this term can be stretched even into hello kitty i guess) to dodge false advertisement claims. 

 

Edited March 21, 2017 by Morathe

[Lorilay 12]

1 hour ago, Frz said:

This is the start of a class action lawsuit against Blizzard Entertainment for the removal of Classic World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade and will most likley apply to other future versions of the game.

Lawsuits based on armchair lawyering are never a good idea. Here's a more appropriate place to post things like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/ 

Let me know if you need legal advice or mage tips and I can point you in the right direction.

Edited March 21, 2017 by Lorilay

[Lifealert 19]

This would never hold up in court, especially by a company that can afford the best lawyers in the field. Don't be retarded guys.

[Revo 34]

20 minutes ago, Morathe said:

 

It would be perfectly fine from law perspective. Fact they'd probably loose 99.9% playerbase doesn't mean shit. We as players are users, not owners.

thats wrong. we are not users. those who bought the game are customers and owners of a copy of the game. thus, we have additional rights . i obviously dont know how these look like in the US but we're not just simple (anonym) users.

and blizzard likes to call WoD, legion etc "expansion"; but its questionable if it really just expands the current game or replaces it. and ToU do not replace national law, they can just specify and expand them

even if the current law does not cover such behaviour because it is very specific and rather rare, it possibly draws attention to the players situation and might cause a "fix"

Edited March 21, 2017 by Revo

[Gunari 3]

Lol

[Stylophone 1]

19 minutes ago, Revo said:

thats wrong. we are not users. those who bought the game are customers and owners of a copy of the game. thus, we have additional rights . i obviously dont know how these look like in the US but we're not just simple (anonym) users.

and blizzard likes to call WoD, legion etc "expansion"; but its questionable if it really just expands the current game or replaces it. and ToU do not replace national law, they can just specify and expand them

even if the current law does not cover such behaviour because it is very specific and rather rare, it possibly draws attention to the players situation and might cause a "fix"

You are the owner of the physical copy or digital download of the game content. However, you're not the owner of anything that created by the server. Your golds, toons, gears, accounts. All the bosses, mobs, the Azeroth were spawned/created/owned by the server. They are free to change/modify any part of these.

[Jack Mage 0]

Lmao. Blizzard will laugh you out of court (although I doubt it would even get that far). 

[rajinsu 8]

your case is only as good as your lawyer

there was a case where someone broke in to some one house from a skylight i think it was fall on a knife sued the house owners and won

another was some old lady got a cup of hot coffee spilled it or drink it and got burned and sued because the cup didnt say on hot coffee on it and won

Edited March 21, 2017 by rajinsu

[Gronix 6]

1 minute ago, rajinsu said:

there was a case where someone broke in to some one house from a skylight i think it was fall on a knife sued the house owners and won

That is from the Jim Carey movie 'Liar, Liar'.

2 minutes ago, rajinsu said:

another was some old lady got a cup of hot coffee spilled it or drink it and got burned and sued because the cup didnt say on hot coffee on it and won

You should watch the movie 'Hot Coffee'. The lady suffered large areas of third degree burns and went through years of skin grafts.

[rajinsu 8]

no the first case was not from the move it was a real case they may have used it to make fun of it but it was a real case we talked about it in class a lot and a few other really stupidly won cases on where the person should never have won and why

Edited March 21, 2017 by rajinsu

[Gronix 6]

12 minutes ago, rajinsu said:

no the first case was not from the move it was a real case they may have used it to make fun of it but it was a real case we talked about it in class a lot and a few other really stupidly won cases on where the person should never have won and why

It might be more properly defined as folklore that the movie used.

https://www.overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt/

This came about as corporations plowed millions into Tort reform, which was something defense attorneys in particular were against. My father is an attorney and a judge, so this was a matter of length discourse when it was fresh in the mid to late 1980's.

[gotmilk0112 10]

So let me get this straight

 

you're trying to sue Blizzard into releasing an older version of a game they have full ownership of?

 

lol

 

nice donation drive scam, OP

[behemothdog 4]

28 minutes ago, gotmilk0112 said:

 

nice donation drive scam, OP

Nah, its still at zero

 

[kastle 4]

3 hours ago, Revo said:

thats wrong. we are not users. those who bought the game are customers and owners of a copy of the game. thus, we have additional rights.

you own nothing, not even your own account. Trying to sue because a company released expansions that you don't like is actually hilarious. Americans will really try and sue for literally ANYTHING

[Trumpnado 28]

Even my university had a better case than this

[Morathe 5]

3 hours ago, Revo said:

thats wrong. we are not users. those who bought the game are customers and owners of a copy of the game. thus, we have additional rights . i obviously dont know how these look like in the US but we're not just simple (anonym) users.

and blizzard likes to call WoD, legion etc "expansion"; but its questionable if it really just expands the current game or replaces it. and ToU do not replace national law, they can just specify and expand them

even if the current law does not cover such behaviour because it is very specific and rather rare, it possibly draws attention to the players situation and might cause a "fix"

Thats right... you bought the game so all you own is the box and the cds. For access you always needed to pay extra in form of subscription. That being said if I paid subscription nowadays I could access the game I bought 10 years ago, on official server. My content would be gated at 70 cause I never bought wotlk or beyond with my main account tho...

The hard reality is that they are not in a duty to maintain a version of a game that chunk of their player base liked more. Following that logic they'd need to host different servers for every single patch across every single expansion because some people liked patch 1.9 way more than 1.12 or 2.1 than 2.4.3 etc etc. 

My main point tho is that Blizzard changed from a fan-based company that cared about pristine gaming experience and lets say... overall spirit of mmorpg into a proper business. Hardcore pve player base is not the one that bring most money but existence of a content that target that group of people kills it for the major group (casuals, sunday gamers, clueless streamers etc etc)... I think Naxx 40 proven that quickly for Blizzard (cause they had waves and waves of unhappy customers complaining that content was so hard that they never got to experience it... as you pretty much needed to make wow your job to be invited into proper guilds that done that back then). This was the point blizzard realized they can't make stuff for hardcores (with proper difficulty and reward that come with it) without hurting their money making group that will be unhappy to pay a subscription but get wrecked by small % of players that can access that high-high-end content. 

When you think about that thats why vanilla servers are so popular among all private servers. Cause it has that impossible content. Like unreachable goal for most. That at the same time pisses you off cause you have to sacrifice your IRL to experience that... even on private server nowadays. I think blizzard directly abandoned that philosophy and even if they hosted vanilla  servers again they would not bring back that thing. 

[Drain 19]

You're asking people to donate to help fund a totally spurious lawsuit? I don't know if you're just trying to scam this community, or you're stupid enough to think there's a case here. I guess both are equally possible. Either way, I would not support you, and hope no one else is stupid enough as well.

[Syanis 2]

I studied the thought of such a lawsuit quite some time back and having some actual understanding of the law and how its applied. The conclusion I came to is that while such a lawsuit may sound good on its face to the gamer as far as law goes it has NO standing what so ever. First you weren't denied the original content but that content changed and when you paid a sub you agreed to the TOS including game changes. You also became a person paying for access to something which is the game *World of Warcraft* and whatever its relevant expansion is. You paid to purchase the original game and each expansion but access was paid through subscription which is where it stands. I could go into a lot of stuff but their really is no point. In the end the courts would side with Blizzard and do so quite easily and even likely dismissing the lawsuit outright.

 

The ONLY thing you might get the courts to side on which is a long shot still is citing that Blizzard can't go after private servers offering content that they no longer provide to those who have a legit version of the base game or expac. However as no way to prove someone has a legit copy of the original game or expac w/o Blizzard's help your still screwed.