gm indormi oblivious to tos???

[robus 0]

so ive been camping this guy for hours every night because i hate him a lot and i got a mail from gm indormi saying this
http://i.imgur.com/PGiVsxy.png

i dunno does anyone think this is weird because i want to keep camping this guy because i still hate him and now i hate him even more but heres why i think its weird and this is from the tos
 

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a ). Player vs Player

The Elysium staff recognizes all play styles to be valid and a part of the game and not harassment. Killing players of your opposing faction, including camping players at spirit healers, corpses and/or gravestones, is considered a part of the game.
 

While playing on a Player vs. Player server, you should always remember to protect yourself in zones where the members of a hostile faction can attack you.

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 D. Griefing

 

Players can interact in a variety of ways, not all of them constructive. You may encounter players that steal resource nodes, chests, items, lead monsters to new areas and summon demons that raise havoc.

Elysium staff will not intervene in these situations as the community may take measures concerning these players. However, behaviour that is considered to be contrary to the essence of the Game will be considered a violation of this agreement.

Such behaviour is considered griefing which includes, but is not limited to, the following:

 

    Summoning demons at the initial starting zones of new players;
    Intentionally killing or disabling important quest NPCs for an extended period of time;
    Intentionally causing any of the four demons for Stave of the Ancients to despawn;
    Intentionally causing The Cleaner to appear during The Balance of Light and Dark;
    Intentionally interrupting or negatively influencing a raid group that is currently engaged in ANY world boss encounter on the PvE realm with either faction characters;
    Intentionally interrupting or negatively influencing a raid group that is currently engaged in ANY world boss encounter on the PvP realms with same-faction characters.

 

World boss encounters are unique circumstances, and resolution will be determined at the discretion of the attending GM. For same faction on PVP & all raid groups on PVE - we strongly suggest a "first come, first serve" mentality when encountering world bosses.

so did i break any rules or can i keep camping espur???

[Nelythia 44]

The GM just asked you to move along, because what you do isn't really nice and ignoring it as GM isn't nice either.

They won't and can't force you to stop it, but they will ask you at some point if the player keeps complaining about it and even gets friends to help complain.

 

You can camp him as long as you want actually.

Still it's not that "cool" to keep doing it.

 

You should just lay down your hate and move along as the GM said.

Don't let your fun of the game be ruined by one player you hate.

[EinBaum 1]

A GM is not supposed to send such mail. Looking forward to see him getting kicked from the team.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, robus said:

hours every night

^important detail

 

4 hours ago, robus said:

Such behaviour is considered griefing which includes, but is not limited to, the following:

^another important detail

 

Your best bet is to do as said for now, and also get another GM's eyes on the matter. 

 

oh, and about the TOS

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Elysium reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to increase a sanction, suspend or terminate your use of the service at any time, for any reason or for no reason, with or without prior notice to you.

 

[Oakenlix 79]

And one more important detail.

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Elysium staff will not intervene in these situations as the community may take measures concerning these players. However, behaviour that is considered to be contrary to the essence of the Game will be considered a violation of this agreement.

 

[khalismur 6]

Camping someone every night for hours?

I hope you get banned idiot. Because something is not illegal doesn't mean it is 'okay' to do it.

[DonKarlsen 0]

I think this is great, and you should do whatever the heck you want. The premise of this game is, that the most dedicated will outplay/outgear the less dedicated. If he's too bad to get away from you, it's his own fault. It's impossible to stalk and gank people who have just a little bit of brain.

[Kazuma 11]

The Engrish is stronk lol

[Stondus 1]

9 hours ago, robus said:

can i keep camping espur???

Nope.

As stated somewhere above me, the key words are:

1. "for hours every night"   --> Stalk much, eh?

2. "but is not limited to,"   -> Which is the part you broke.

 

The 2nd one translates as following:

"We *really* can't write a huge wall of text to list EVERY last way of griefing, but what ever WE see fits, goes in this category."

 

The fact that you're actually admitting to be camping him due personal hatred towards him, makes your act being against ToS. Not to mention unmature. Or healthy. Or normal. Or agains the spirit of WoW in general.

I suggest you to move on like the GM said, or to continue camping him, and risk (100% change after that mail) your account being banned.

 

[Wrathran 4]

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C. Gameplay
a ). Player vs Player
The Elysium staff recognizes all play styles to be valid and a part of the game and not harassment. Killing players of your opposing faction, including camping players at spirit healers, corpses and/or gravestones, is considered a part of the game.

While playing on a Player vs. Player server, you should always remember to protect yourself in zones where the members of a hostile faction can attack you.

 

The rules can't be anymore clear or simple.

What OP is doing is allowed and if the player he attacks don't like it he needs to protect himself.

There is nothing more to this really.

[Stondus 1]

Just now, Wrathran said:

The rules can't be anymore clear or simple.

What OP is doing is allowed and if the player he attacks don't like it he needs to protect himself.

There is nothing more to this really.

Nope.

3 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

However, behaviour that is considered to be contrary to the essence of the Game will be considered a violation of this agreement.

 

& still nope.

5 hours ago, YesWeNyan said:

Elysium reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to increase a sanction, suspend or terminate your use of the service at any time, for any reason or for no reason, with or without prior notice to you.

 

Yes, What OP was doing was allowed, but by doing it on & on & on & on he blurred the legality of his act to fit the "what we consider to be wrong IS wrong" - category.

[SKSPlays 0]

3 hours ago, DonKarlsen said:

I think this is great, and you should do whatever the heck you want. The premise of this game is, that the most dedicated will outplay/outgear the less dedicated. If he's too bad to get away from you, it's his own fault. It's impossible to stalk and gank people who have just a little bit of brain.

So if hes camping him when hes lower leveled, how can he ever get up to having better gear if hes being stalked for hours?

 

[robus 0]

7 hours ago, Nelythia said:

Don't let your fun of the game be ruined by one player you hate.

sorry but killing him is my only fun in wow atm so i want to keep doing it

i dont know him at all but he plays a female char so thats weird???? also i was told he posted on 4chan about me killing him and helping his group and he attached anime girl pics to his posts and that is when i decided hes weird and i had to camp him

can gm plz help me tell me if what i am doing is bad or very bad or just ok???

[StompingBox 0]

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9 hours ago, robus said:

so ive been camping this guy for hours every night because i hate him

 

Lmao, I want to know what he did to you in order to make you so mad

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, robus said:

sorry but killing him is my only fun in wow atm so i want to keep doing it

i dont know him at all but he plays a female char so thats weird???? also i was told he posted on 4chan about me killing him and helping his group and he attached anime girl pics to his posts and that is when i decided hes weird and i had to camp him

can gm plz help me tell me if what i am doing is bad or very bad or just ok???

Many males play females and like anime. I am one of those people. 

[robus 0]

Just now, YesWeNyan said:

Many males play females and like anime. I am one of those people. 

hi can u plz leave my thread + tell me ur char name

[Wrathran 4]

15 minutes ago, Stondus said:

Yes, What OP was doing was allowed, but by doing it on & on & on & on he blurred the legality of his act to fit the "what we consider to be wrong IS wrong" - category.

The pvp rules are special in that way that they are saying what is allowed and they are very specific. They are not broadly saying what is not allowed and then also add the phrase that ELysium may come to different conclusions in different situations. No, they are 100% clear and simple, no questions or interpretations at all.

"Killing players of your opposing faction, including camping players at spirit healers, corpses and/or gravestones, is considered a part of the game."

There is no but/what/if here in pvp that does not involve pve. No time limit, no nothing. It is allowed. Done.

 

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Elysium reserves the right, in its sole and absolute discretion, to increase a sanction, suspend or terminate your use of the service at any time, for any reason or for no reason, with or without prior notice to you. 

Yes, the last text give Elysium absolute power to do anything they want. But if they would do anything against OP it would NOT be because they consider it to be "wrong" or against the rules but it would be because they CAN. Elysium do not think what OP is doing is wrong based on how specific the rules are in this situation.

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Wrathran said:

Yes, the last text give Elysium absolute power to do anything they want. But if they would do anything against OP it would NOT be because they consider it to be "wrong" or against the rules but it would be because they CAN. Elysium do not think what OP is doing is wrong based on how specific the rules are in this situation.

We cant mind read the GM, they may think that camping to that degree is wrong. 

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Posted yesterday at 04:25 AM · Report post

Just a sidenote, intentionally doing this an excessive amount of times could be considered griefing. - 

Hamblin

Game Master https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/44774-is-it-dickish-or-nice-to-wait-for-a-guy-to-finish-an-escort-quest-then-kill-him/

 

There are more examples where number of times is a factor.

[robus 0]

gm hamblin oblivious to tos???

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, robus said:

gm hamblin oblivious to tos???

It was his reply to 

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on one hand it's very nice, cause the escort quests can be a pain in the ass.

but on the other hand you are creating hope and making them thank you, thinking you are their friend, then destroying that hope which is always a painful experience like that time when that man over the fence didn't really have any pokemons in his basement except one very agressive diglett

diskuss

and yes he knows the TOS

As I sated, the number of times something is done can be a factor. That's why I said to do as the gm said for now and see if you can get a 2nd opinion from a GM or higher. 

I am not commenting on it being right or wrong. I am saying cover your bases here.

[Stondus 1]

17 minutes ago, Wrathran said:

The pvp rules are <Snip Snip Snip>

As stated in this thread earlier, the part in ToS about Griefing still says THEY have the ultimate power to say what's griefing. OP got a post, 'cause his deeds were. Move on, Nothing to see here.

 

12 minutes ago, YesWeNyan said:

Posted yesterday at 04:25 AM · Report post

Just a sidenote, intentionally doing this an excessive amount of times could be considered griefing. - 

Hamblin

Game Master  https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/44774-is-it-dickish-or-nice-to-wait-for-a-guy-to-finish-an-escort-quest-then-kill-him/

 

[killerduki 54]

9 minutes ago, YesWeNyan said:

We cant mind read the GM, they may think that camping to that degree is wrong. 

There are more examples where number of times is a factor.

Here is the conflict why i kinda support wrathran about this :

I currently farming Un'Goro for gold over hours and hours per day , nearly everyday .

I am not alone in doing this,  meanwhile there are gankers and i gank those who stay on my way (2 sides) .

It happens very often , the same person to come out on my way to gank him for the resources i gather , not only 1 day , but nearly everyday for many hours.

I think this kind of behavior GM's should completely change, as i said Ganking is part of the Game , it should happen without any restriction, the only limit could be done is to not kill quest givers and abusive spots which i support that decision.

Don't destroy vanilla spirit , World PVP was #1 focus back in 2005/6 and today giving the same spirit , it is blizzlike and intended.

I can even give you evidence from Blizzard Forums about their 100% support regarding ganking and World PVP .

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Stondus 1]

Just now, killerduki said:

Here is the conflict why i kinda support wrathran about this :

I currently farming Un'Goro for gold over hours and hours per day , nearly everyday .

I am not alone in doing this,  meanwhile there are gankers and i gank those who stay on my way (2 sides) .

It happens very often , the same person to come out on my way to gank him for the resources i gather , not only 1 day , but nearly everyday for many hours.

I think this kind of behavior GM's should completely change, as i said Ganking is part of the Game , it should happen without any restriction, the only limit could be done is to not kill quest givers and abusive spots which i support that decision.

Don't destroy vanilla spirit , World PVP was #1 focus back in 2005/6 and today giving the same spirit , it is blizzlike and intended.

/Kind regards Killerduki

Yes, but would you stalk those you gank if they were to leave area?

[Hurricane2 2]

3 hours ago, khalismur said:

Camping someone every night for hours?

I hope you get banned idiot. Because something is not illegal doesn't mean it is 'okay' to do it.

He's not an idiot and he shouldn't be banned let alone warned.  Its not against the tos and it is in fact encouraged to kill players of the opposing faction.  Excessive griefing is easily prevented by the one being griefed in many different ways.  You're right when saying just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it's ok to do it but that does not apply to this situation.  

To the op, keep on rocking.  You shouldn't have to worry about owning someone so hard they cry to a gm about said owning when it's his on fault for getting owned so hard in the 1st place.

[robus 0]

my guy is really weak or bad and espur can call for any 60 to kill me and i always die so am i still considered playing the game since i can die????