Legacy Crusade: The Journey doesn't end here!

[riplip 2]

That's a splendid self projection there bud, hope things get better for you.

[alijaj805 0]

bout Darrowshire?  what the situation on that?

[lastnoob 0]

On 9/3/2017 at 9:59 AM, Ash said:

Friendly reminder that things are not finalized! ;)

I understand that you haven't decided details about the TBC realm yet, but it'd be great if you made a decision about anathema going first or not. Only this question. People from Elysium would start a new char on Anathema to prepare, but if you back out from that decision they wasted days/weeks of playtime on a new char for nothing.

This would be incredibly important to know.

[Silverlan 0]

My suggestion would be that a week or two after Naxx is cleared on Anathema then you allow limited character copies from Elysium (1 or 2 characters per account) to Anathema. You then convert Anethema to a TBC when it is ready.

 

I would also suggest allowing a limited copy from Anathema to Elysium for those who want to carry on with vanilla. Logistically this is harder to do in regards to going back on gear but I think it could be done. Please understand this is just an preliminary suggestion but you could transfer items such as:

-Epic items up to BWL

-Mounts 

-Other vanity items agreed by the community/admins

- 4 empty Bags and 1 backpack full of reagents

This would be similar to how Zeth was merged in but with more limitations - the small playerbases moving from Anathema with their limited farmed matts should not crash an economy like Elysiums (any further).

Darowshire should continue as it is, and convert into TBC PvE OR stay vanilla - not split into two patches.

This will mean that Elysium characters can carry on. The limited amount of characters you can transfer will mean that a few people will make new chars on Anathema if they want to play an additional class in TBC. The population will be split into three servers but it will be TBC, Vanilla PvE and PvP. Nobody loses anything, and everyone carries on. If people playing Elysium want to play TBC then they will whatever, same with people wanting vanilla.

 

Essentially you are waiting for Anathema to reach the end of it's line and then giving both Elysium and Anathema players options on where they want to be and keep their characters.

 

Constructive critism is appreciated. I really dont see any massive issue with this but please prove me wrong. I understand character data and items is essentially text so I presume it would be easy to wipe AQ/Naxx gear for transfers but I may be wrong.

 

[aceroner 0]

Sweet!!!

Only concern though, I created my character for the sole purpose of "Vanilla" on the server I am currently on "Elysium."

So the only problem is, will it automatically convert to a TBC server, if it is there is no point on me to continue to level my character, I would like to keep the sole vanilla integrity in tact, I know it is still early but if anyone knows or can let me know, please do!

Thanks again in advanced!

[Keala 28]

10 hours ago, aceroner said:

Sweet!!!

Only concern though, I created my character for the sole purpose of "Vanilla" on the server I am currently on "Elysium."

So the only problem is, will it automatically convert to a TBC server, if it is there is no point on me to continue to level my character, I would like to keep the sole vanilla integrity in tact, I know it is still early but if anyone knows or can let me know, please do!

Thanks again in advanced!

I have a feeling you literally did not read the post at all, so many people asking this while it only required 5 minutes at most to read the post.

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• The existing realms will not close, and all characters will remain on their respective realms as well as being copied to the new TBC realm.

Toradh is right, the people simply cannot understand what they are reading.

[aceroner 0]

Sorry I did read it, Just panicked......... had a brain fart. I was thinking our characters would be copied over and the old one would be deleted, sorry!

[Ickus 40]

On 9/3/2017 at 1:32 PM, Dralek said:

You are asking other people not to play new content for an entire year (until Elysium finishes progression).

The reason is because you want to finish your progression at your pace.

You are prohibiting others from doing something that isn't even related to you, under the excuse that it will somehow affect you in a very very very long time while disguising the notion under the banner of "for the greater good". I'm sorry, but if I see obvious hypocrisy I will call you out on it.

The greater good would be to attract all the Anathema players back into the game, by launching TBC. Also attracting a large number of possible new players that may be interested in a TBC server, and also keeping the 2k-3k players in Anathema/Darrowshire from leaving.

Dude if we don't wait for Elysium you're asking for the same disaster that happened to anathema. It's painful and will suck for a lot of us but in the long run going to tbc at the same time is honestly the best long term fix.

[Keala 28]

20 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Dude if we don't wait for Elysium you're asking for the same disaster that happened to anathema. It's painful and will suck for a lot of us but in the long run going to tbc at the same time is honestly the best long term fix.

Long them fix or not, there are players who simply can't or are not willing to wait for so long. I'm not saying the vast majority have the same opinion as me, but I'm for sure not the only one. I simply don't care to wait for so long, by the time TBC will be here, I might have forgotten about this project entirely or I might just be playing on Crestfall, since the chances to see that released before TBC are higher in the case Anathema waits for Elysium.

I'm fine with whatever the staff decides to do, I will simply act accordingly based on what path they choose.

[Ickus 40]

29 minutes ago, Keala said:

Long them fix or not, there are players who simply can't or are not willing to wait for so long. I'm not saying the vast majority have the same opinion as me, but I'm for sure not the only one. I simply don't care to wait for so long, by the time TBC will be here, I might have forgotten about this project entirely or I might just be playing on Crestfall, since the chances to see that released before TBC are higher in the case Anathema waits for Elysium.

I'm fine with whatever the staff decides to do, I will simply act accordingly based on what path they choose.

It's just very hard to honestly make any plans since there are basically no details. Best move would be to use the timeline @sumeht proposed which starts the timer for the next instance release based on when the final boss was killed. For instance Nef was killed 58 days before he war effort was released. It speeds up Elysium slightly and sends us to tbc in a reasonable time. Simply put there really isn't a great comprise here... just what is going to workout the best. And you shouldn't be going into every single raid tier will full BiS which is basically the norm on private servers due to bosses being cleared day 1.

[Forest_ 40]

The logical solution to this whole thing is:

• Most Important Point: Speed up Elysium's timeline to be more Blizzlike as in this post (https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/53161-adjusting-content-release-schedule/)
• Let Anathema farm up a shit ton of gold and materials which would put us ahead of Elysium economically and with T3.
• Have only 1 single TBC server. (Or 2 if you do them on the EXACT same timeline, leaving the option to merge always easy and open)

 

 

[Ickus 40]

2 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

The logical solution to this whole thing is:

• Most Important Point: Speed up Elysium's timeline to be more Blizzlike as in this post (https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/53161-adjusting-content-release-schedule/)
• Let Anathema farm up a shit ton of gold and materials which would put us ahead of Elysium economically and with T3.
• Have only 1 single TBC server. (Or 2 if you do them on the EXACT same timeline, leaving the option to merge always easy and open)

 

 

EXACTLY THIS

[Keala 28]

It depends by how much they speed it up though, because reaching Naxxramas 2 months earlier than intended (which would be July instead of September) then it doesn't really make a difference, the wait is still insanely long. It's still better than nothing, but I also have my doubts that most Elysium players don't want to see their content sped up in any way. I agree when you say that it's a good compromise to speed up the content release considering we're waiting for them, it just doesn't seem like it's something they are willing to accept.

[Keala 28]

22 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

The logical solution to this whole thing is:

• Most Important Point: Speed up Elysium's timeline to be more Blizzlike as in this post (https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/53161-adjusting-content-release-schedule/)
• Let Anathema farm up a shit ton of gold and materials which would put us ahead of Elysium economically and with T3.
• Have only 1 single TBC server. (Or 2 if you do them on the EXACT same timeline, leaving the option to merge always easy and open)

 

 

The question is, will the gold and materials remain untouched during the character copy? They might want to look into this in order to prevent disasters with the economy right from the very start. They will probably think of setting a cap on how much gold you can have on one account, which can probably be avoided by making multiple accounts. Point is, they might find a way to block rich players from bringing insane amount of stuff/gold to TBC, which would leave us with only T3 as an advantage.

I wouldn't mind at all to keep everything I farmed till the release day, it just seems unlikely imo.

[Dralek 5]

8 hours ago, Ickus said:

Dude if we don't wait for Elysium you're asking for the same disaster that happened to anathema. It's painful and will suck for a lot of us but in the long run going to tbc at the same time is honestly the best long term fix.

I understand your point, but it doesn't change the proble.

First of all, you can't really make the timeline for Elysium faster. A lot of people play in Elysium, because they want to play a slow vanilla progression. Making the timeline run faster is screwing that part of the community over, and they may oppose the decision. We can't really force Elysium players to deal with the problem, because its not theirs to bare. Let them have their server the way it is working right now, and let them enjoy their vanilla experience the way they prefer.

Now, we can do as you say, and wait for an entire year until Elysium ctches up to Anathema: in the process we risk more people leaving, and spending more time having to host/support a dying realm, which costs a lot of money. Its not a good investment because we are loosing both money and people. The solutions to Anathema need to be encanted soon.

The best solution is to have 2 realms: 1 in Vanilla (Elysium) and 1 in TBC (Anathema). Let Anathema players finish up Nax, and make Anathema the TBC realm. Let Elysium players thta wish to play the TBC realm transfer to Anathema before it upgrades to TBC. Then lets just have Elysium be the vanilla realm, while Anathema caters to the TBC community. Once both realms stop competing with each other, is when Anathemah will begin to grow.

[Ironfoot 5]

13 hours ago, Forest_ said:

The logical solution to this whole thing is:

• Most Important Point: Speed up Elysium's timeline to be more Blizzlike as in this post (https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/53161-adjusting-content-release-schedule/)
• Let Anathema farm up a shit ton of gold and materials which would put us ahead of Elysium economically and with T3.
• Have only 1 single TBC server. (Or 2 if you do them on the EXACT same timeline, leaving the option to merge always easy and open)

 

 

I'm totally fine with this, as an Ely player. 

[Malga 1]

My opinion :

Open a TBC server "when it's ready" only with Anathema players... they will be the content beta testers for Elysium players as they are today.
And Have the real TBC Elysium server with all the fixes some mounthes after... as it is today :D

[sreaver 0]

I suggest having a very strict limits on resources when characters get copied to TBC realms, to have that blizzlike feeling where you will not see everyone on flying mounts instantly when people hit 70 and might not see epic flying mounts for a while, also keeps the cost of materials at reasonable level . Maybe ~500 gold max, and transfer only items in the regular bank space, while emptying the bags in bank (Obviously if you have the time and resources to code it, it's better to limit only tradeable/usefull materials and let people bring over as many vanity items and item sets as they want to, but strict bag space limit works too).

This will give very fresh and blizzlike feeling to the TBC servers, and still people get to keep everything they farmed as the items are still at the vanilla servers.

[Ickus 40]

4 hours ago, Malga said:

My opinion :

Open a TBC server "when it's ready" only with Anathema players... they will be the content beta testers for Elysium players as they are today.
And Have the real TBC Elysium server with all the fixes some mounthes after... as it is today :D

Worst idea out here yet, but best troll yet 

[Forest_ 40]

47 minutes ago, sreaver said:

I suggest having a very strict limits on resources when characters get copied to TBC realms, to have that blizzlike feeling where you will not see everyone on flying mounts instantly when people hit 70 and might not see epic flying mounts for a while, also keeps the cost of materials at reasonable level . Maybe ~500 gold max, and transfer only items in the regular bank space, while emptying the bags in bank (Obviously if you have the time and resources to code it, it's better to limit only tradeable/usefull materials and let people bring over as many vanity items and item sets as they want to, but strict bag space limit works too).

This will give very fresh and blizzlike feeling to the TBC servers, and still people get to keep everything they farmed as the items are still at the vanilla servers.

There were some very rich dudes going into TBC from Vanilla. I remember leveling in Hellfire and getting jumped on by a few 70s in the first week with their epic flying.

Trust me not everyone is going to have the willpower to farm 6,000g in Vanilla. Only the very dedicated farmers will have huge gold stockpiles. Deleting gold from people's inventory just simply won't happen. Migrating 100,000 characters alone is already intensive enough without having to do character inventory and gold updates on their data.

[Ickus 40]

What is this mentality that everyone has to start evenly despite some people working harder than others? I farm my ass off and if I get 6k gold before tbc I should be allowed to use it for my epic mount.

[Keala 28]

1 hour ago, Ickus said:

What is this mentality that everyone has to start evenly despite some people working harder than others? I farm my ass off and if I get 6k gold before tbc I should be allowed to use it for my epic mount.

This is the problem, most Elysium players simply don't care about finding any compromise to make everyone happy. They want Anathema to wait for them, they want their content release to not be sped up in any way and they want TBC start to be fair by removing anything Anathema / Darrowshire farmed while waiting for TBC. Because you know, fuck the others, I only care about myself. That's how the people there think (more than half at least).

[Dralek 5]

9 minutes ago, Keala said:

This is the problem, most Elysium players simply don't care about finding any compromise to make everyone happy. They want Anathema to wait for them, they want their content release to not be sped up in any way and they want TBC start to be fair by removing anything Anathema / Darrowshire farmed while waiting for TBC. Because you know, fuck the others, I only care about myself. That's how the people there think (more than half at least).

Exactly this.

[Ickus 40]

I just find it funny the anathema players are willing to wait a significant amount of time but the MC heroes have to do everything on their terms which is pathetic imo 

[Horten 9]

If you don't want people to bring over their belongings into TBC, why even play on a transfer realm? Just play on some new meme fresh server and delete your Vanilla characters. Jesus Christ.