Fresh server last makes absolutely no sense

[Dralek 5]

Oh lord, here we go again... 

Can you guys PLEASE comprehend that the most effective solution is to release the Nost servers first for the community to regenerate and go back to normal after the closing of the server, and that waiting 2-3 weeks for a fresh server which is provided for FREE CANNOT be disappointing? I've got a 60 on Nostalrius myself, full end-game and I'm also rolling fresh, you don't see me going around moaning all the time. No, because I'm not self-centered and I actually acknowledge the strategy of Elysium and the effort they are putting in for all of us. Stop crying, it's the closest we can get to a consensus!!!! CLOSE THIS THREAD

 

Whether it is the most effective solution is a matter of debate, which is the reason so many topics threads about the issue have spawned. I certainly agree most are whine posts to try to coerce the staff into launching the fresh server earlier, but among them some of us are trying to have an objective discussion regarding the matter.

 

Please respect that

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Dralek 5]

The choices are either play on the first server available because you just want to get in or wait.  It's not releasing old servers first just for the sake of people who willingly choose to roll there, there is an entire established community who were here first and their characters are going to be on those servers.  New blood should never come first, respect to the OGs.

 

I didn't say it should be released first. I said that the problem is that it hasn't been announced.

 

The source of the complaints isn't that the old nost server is coming first, because that was intended from the start and everyone knows that. The reason why some are dissapointed is that:

 

1) Fresh server date was NOT announced

2) PVE server release date was changed (was supposed to be the last? not really sure)

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Erwinst 0]

Whether it is the most effective solution is a matter of debate, which is the reason so many topics threads about the issue have spawned. I certainly agree most are whine posts to try to coerce the staff into launching the fresh server earlier, but among them some of us are trying to have an objective discussion regaring the matter.

 

Please respect that

It wouldn't be debatable if you guys took the Nostalrius server into consideration, all you guys think about Elysium and your own asses. If you thought about both and have a sufficient amount of IQ, you'd see that the best solution is to open up Nost first, BECAUSE the community needs to regenerate (AND I UNDERLINE, IF NOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY, ELYSIUM WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING), then open the Elysium fresh server with a more than decent amount of people, SURELY more than enough. Oh and did I mention that it's for free? hmmm I think I did

Yeah pretty much.  The whining culture of WoW is a phenomenon that will never go away.  If we go on the Blizzard forums right now half the posts will be whine posts.  People have mommy and daddy issues and project them into Blizzard or in this case Nost/Elysium.

 

I want to play on the fresh server too but it never even remotely dawned on me to complain about it of the forums.  Reasons:  1) Nost team explained the delay, it makes sense, it is perfectly logical, 2) I'm a grown up who is capable of waiting for something really cool.

 

Imagine being the parents of these kids,  "Mommy I want to open Santa's presents NOW!  Not 3 weeks from now, RIGHT NOW!"

Perfect analogy, it is quite saddening though. People are self-centered and egoistic, unfortunately. 

Edited December 7, 2016 by Erwinst

[Undertanker 88]

"build your own legacy"

[Aisar87 0]

I didn't say it should be released first. I said that the problem is that it hasn't been announced.

 

The source of the complains isn't that the old nost server is coming first, because that was intended from the start and everyone knows that. The reason why some are dissapointed is that:

 

a) fresh server date was NOT announced

PVE server release date was changed (was supposed to be the last? not really sure)

Being disappointed about not getting a release date for elysium pvp is so trivial that I didn't bother addressing it but sure, some people are disappointed.  You planning on requesting days off ahead of time to play a game?  All the release date announcement means is pve players arn't getting totally shafted and forced to wait for two other pvp servers to launch, which is awesome for them.  We knew elysium would be later, that's all we need to know right now.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Aisar87

[Dralek 5]

It wouldn't be debatable if you guys took the Nostalrius server into consideration, all you guys think about Elysium and your own asses. If you thought about both and have a sufficient amount of IQ, you'd see that the best solution is to open up Nost first, BECAUSE the community needs regenerate (AND I UNDERLINE, IF NOT FOR THIS COMMUNITY, ELYSIUM WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING), then open the Elysium fresh server with a more than decent amount of people, SURELY more than enough. Oh and didnt I mention, it's for free? hmmm I think I did

Perfect analogy, it is quite saddening though. People are self-centered and egoistic, unfortunately. 

 

The subject of what would be best for the community and server in general is a matter of opinion, and that is why it is debatable. A lot of the people that are former nost players (like myself) do lean towards the possibility of playing the fresh pvp rather than the revived nost. A lot of people that contributed to promote the revival server in the past few months are both old nost players that consider playing fresh, new people that never played nost, and old nost players which will return to their characters. So regenerating the community isn't based on realm choice.

 

So everyone in the community has a hand in helping revive the project, trying to take the title away as belonging to only those that seem to be headed to the old nost pvp, is unreasonably arrogant.

[Erwinst 0]

The subject of what would be best for the community and server in general is a matter of opinion, and that is why it is debatable. A lot of the people that are former nost players (like myself) do lean towards the possibility of playing the fresh pvp rather than the revived nost. A lot of people that contributed to promote the revival server in the past few months are both old nost players that consider playing fresh, new people that never played nost, and old nost players which will return to their characters. So regenerating the community isn't based on realm choice.

 

So everyone in the community has a hand in helping revive the project, trying to take the title away as belonging to only those that seem to be headed to the old nost pvp, is unreasonably arrogant.

You don't get it, do you?

 

edit: don't go around calling me arrogant when you're the one saying how disappointed you are that the fresh realm isn't released at the same time as Nost, that is in my eyes pure arrogance. Disappointed with someone who does this фекал for free, in their free time and for the love of the game, and you, your royalty are dissapointed. Saddening.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Erwinst

[Dralek 5]

Being disappointed about not getting a release date for elysium pvp is so trivial that I didn't bother addressing it but sure, some people are disappointed.  You planning on requesting days off ahead of time to play a game?  All the release date announcement means is pve players arn't getting totally shafted and forced to wait for two other pvp servers to launch, which is awesome for them.  We knew elysium would be later, that's all we need to know right now.

 

The same analogy can be made of the old nost pvp server if the table was turned, so here is no point in doing the analogy in the first place.

 

People are dissapointed it wasn't announced because they are lookign foward to play it, as simple as that is, and are trying to talk to the staff about it. Nothing wrong in doing that. It might be trivial to you and others, seems important to some.

[Dralek 5]

You don't get it, do you?

 

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edit: don't go around calling me arrogant when you're the one saying how disappointed you are that the fresh realm isn't released at the same time as Nost, that is in my eyes pure arrogance. Disappointed with someone who does this фекал for free, in their free time and for the love of the game, and you, your royalty are dissapointed. Saddening.

 

I get that you are trying to dismiss my post with a one liner question without any real answer to what I ask. Its easier if you just respond me.

 

I'm not here to argue, just trying to have a discussion on the subject if you are willing. No need to get offended just because I have a different view and don't exactly agree with your opinion on what would be best.

 

It is an arrogant attitude to claim something for yourself that belongs to a larger group of people. People can feel dissapointed, just as you can feel annoyed by them. Its not that they are ungrateful to the staff, but are merely trying to have a talk about the subject. Dismissing them because you don't like it, is absurd.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Aisar87 0]

The same analogy can be made of the old nost pvp server if the table was turned, so here is no point in doing the analogy in the first place.

 

People are dissapointed it wasn't announced because they are lookign foward to play it, as simple as that is, and are trying to talk to the staff about it. Nothing wrong in doing that. It might be trivial to you and others, seems important to some.

I am rolling on fresh and want to start hardcore nolifing with my guild just as much as anyone else.  I am just not being a baby about it.  Discussing it is pointless, there's a method to the release order and it's not likely to change.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Aisar87

[Dralek 5]

I am rolling on fresh and want to start hardcore nolifing with my guild just as much as anyone else.  I am just not being a baby about it.  Discussing it is pointless, there's a method to the release order and it's not likely to change.

 

Yes you are a more patient person, which I think is a good trait to have in life. Others are not patient and would be pleased with an announcement at. If some wish to try to communicate to the staff about their concerns, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to do so.

 

Don't get me wrong, I get that some are just crying rivers of tears about it, or being openly rude and childish towards the staff for no reason, and its annoying everyone else.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Dralek

[Milarepa 1]

i see people still haven't realized the devs aren't going to suddenly change their minds. 10 pages and still this absurdly pointless subject doesn't die. id wager people are going to be complaining about this until the ваууing release lmao. is there a way to remove posts from view? i dont want to see this фекал bumped up on the general section every 5 minutes.

 

Same people who 1-2 months from now will be in STV typing "/1 how do u report gankers?? this isn't fair!!" on the fresh PVP server.

[Glenzig 34]

Same people who 1-2 months from now will be in STV typing "/1 how do u report gankers?? this isn't fair!!" on the fresh PVP server.

"They killed our flight master!"

[maverick 11]

There's a huge difference between playable and enjoyable. Playing with 1-2 second input delay is "playable" as in you are able to play - doesn't make it enjoyable.

Nost pvp started heavily shitting itself in terms of performance and input delay past the 6-7k people mark.

And it's not an internet service problem.

no one complained about delays at the 6-7k mark, i heard the moaning after 12k. it must be your isp or your connection is being interrupted by something you should get that checked out buddy, my game was enjoyable, you can't tell me it isn't just because yours isn't , thats when the i don't give a sh i t about you card comes in. welcome to society "nost фекал itself bla bla bla " didnt happen to me.........

[Overtime 6]

I'm not gonna read all this. 

 

Don't forget that Elysium had fresh server already going on, those people can't play until it's reopened under Nostalrius core. Coming here and demanding fresh is just silly when it's not only Nostalrius players gaining from it. They can't just close their old server and wipe it just like that.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Overtime

[Forexal 1]

And how is that?

Or is it just that I have a point and you have no response?

People already gave you their responses.

 

I'm happy to play fresh (I'm one of the newcomers you seem to have such a passion for) on an already established server because I don't care about being some world first hipster esports mountain dew extremist.

 

I'm also happy to wait until the fresh server comes out later, I'll go one of two ways from this:

 

A) I'll end up staying on Nost and raiding while running a PvP toon on Elysium PvP for PvP only

or

I'll end up making my way in Elysium and eventually (well I hope) to become a well known and trustworthy disenchanter, raider and PvPer through one or two characters.

 

Either way, I'm going to enjoy myself. The community doesn't get weaker by centering it around the past because the newcomer community hasn't even started yet, there is only one community which currently exists and that is the old Nost community.

The newer community will start in January, stop being so entitled.

 

Also, I'm annoyed that you keep telling accusing people of not wanting to discuss when you're so blatantly angry towards them when they give their opinions. Maybe you should calm down now before you're looked down upon before the realms are even available.

[Elviss 5]

Imagine being the parents of these kids,  "Mommy I want to open Santa's presents NOW!  Not 3 weeks from now, RIGHT NOW!"

 

lol

 

good one!

[Jambi 0]

Yeah pretty much.  The whining culture of WoW is a phenomenon that will never go away.  If we go on the Blizzard forums right now half the posts will be whine posts.  People have mommy and daddy issues and project them into Blizzard or in this case Nost/Elysium.

 

I want to play on the fresh server too but it never even remotely dawned on me to complain about it on the forums.  Reasons:  1) Nost team explained the delay, it makes sense, it is perfectly logical, 2) I'm a grown up who is capable of waiting for something really cool.

 

Imagine being the parents of these kids,  "Mommy I want to open Santa's presents NOW!  Not 3 weeks from now, RIGHT NOW!"

 

The problem with this argument is that you cant compare parents and DEVELOPERS OF A SERVER. These guys are supposed to uphold a professional standard.

[Undertanker 88]

Says who?

[Glenzig 34]

The problem with this argument is that you cant compare parents and DEVELOPERS OF A SERVER. These guys are supposed to uphold a professional standard.

In their professional opinion the most professional course is to release the servers in the most professional manner possible. These professionals have decided that their profession mandates that the Nost servers be released first and the fresh realm last. From a professional perspective this is a very professional stance to take in that it will restore the faith of the previously developed server populations with a professional launch of said servers, while professionally reserving the fresh server for a later date. Just my professional perspective on the professional decisions of the well paid professional staff here at Nost/Elysium. Edited December 7, 2016 by Glenzig

[maverick 11]

I'm not sure if you read the post I wrote, I said AFTER 6-7k it started shitting itself, implying it was fine around that mark. The closer you get to 10k the worse it got.

6-7k had no extra input delay. 

10k was perfect.

[Limitless 6]

If you read the forum posts, the servers are not having a hard time after 6-7k logged. They are having a bad time when it becauses a cluster вау. When everyone is in the same spot, the ram and everything goes through the roof. Let the community spread and you'll have second to none lag.

[Tholren 7]

I went to sleep, woke up, had my coffee and the existence of this thread continues. And grandpa said things don't last forever, pft...

[Limitless 6]

I went to sleep, woke up, had my coffee and the existence of this thread continues. And grandpa said things don't last forever, pft...

That's why you gotta seize the moment when it's there.

Edited December 7, 2016 by krokmitten

[Turbz 2]

Makes me happy to know that these toxic people won't be playing on the old PvP realm and ruining the incredible community we had.

Please play on the fresh realm.. I beg you

Edited December 7, 2016 by Turbz