RESERVE RUNS

[Drain 19]

If you do not like it, then do not go to those groups.

[Morathe 5]

3 hours ago, mortisxamor said:

i couldn't disagree with this logic more. This is exactly the kind of mindset that i never understand. If the people running it are so amazing and geared shouldn't they be able to run it without taking less geared players? Bottom line if you require somebody in your run, regardless of their skill or gear, if that person is NEEDED to complete the run then they should have the same chance as anyone else to roll on gear. Furthermore the argument could be made that the less geared players need the loot more than the 90% bis players do. If you are 90% "pre raid" bis then you can already raid just fine. Again though...this is just my personal opinion. As for tanks reserving orbs to do runs i think it's also pretty selfish. I get why people do it, because tanks are hard to find but i still think it's lame that people need to get soecial rewards when the whole group is required to reach the objective. You can't finish a dungeon without a tank sure, but you can't do it without dps or healers either....just because tanks are more rare does not mean they are more vital.

Needed? No most of the time u just fill with randoms to make a run faster, they get to gear up by a big chunk carried by geared people while those people get a fast run trying to get one of the last things they need / desire (mount). Anyway there is nothing to disagree here with. TL;DR people are free to a) ignore tank reserving orbs and spend extra time looking for a guy that does strat living for quests/gear himself etc. What I dont understand is why would anyone complain about reserving... its not like u're forced to join a grp that reserve something right? Just form ur own grps that let everyone roll on everything. Anyway I'm super curious to see you follow that rule when u played tank for ages and u form ur own mc pugs hoping to get bindings and then you just let all warriors rogues and hunters roll for those bindings because everyone was vital:P 

You present mentality of either fresh or salty player that is too lazy to form his own groups but is still entitled to have a shot at getting whatever he considers fancy.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Morathe

[Morathe 5]

2 hours ago, Revo said:

reserving is a dick move, but only a few classes can really do this. if you see a rogue reserving something, its very easy to fill your own group not reserving anything. so dont just complain, but let them see how easy it is to drain their players.

but well, if a tank reserves an item, he possibly is in advantage.

what i hate the most about reserving items: on retail vanilla, this happened pretty much never in non-raid dungeons. so it reminds you youre on a private server

Cause we all know how retail vanilla would develop over course of the years and current retail is so much loot competition right? derp

[Morathe 5]

2 hours ago, mortisxamor said:

My feelings are always the same...reserved runs are selfish and i would avoid them completely. If a guild needs pugs to finish their raid why shouldn't the pugs have an equal chance at gear as anyone else? 

Equality is a fabric of imagination. Abandon that foolish concept at once!

[behemothdog 4]

If you reserve something I don't need, I see no reason to sit out on a run. 

[kastle 4]

1 hour ago, salvy said:

And to the person who was saying that reserving items """ruins""" the fun from dungeons.. uh??? hello? It's not fun to do like 20-30 UBRS runs for your Dal'rends or like 100 for your Ironfoe/Felstriker only to lose them to some random. 

hi, welcome to mmorpg's 

[kastle 4]

double

Edited February 27, 2017 by kastle

[behemothdog 4]

26 minutes ago, kastle said:

And to the person who was saying that reserving items """ruins""" the fun from dungeons.. uh??? hello? It's not fun to do like 20-30 UBRS runs for your Dal'rends or like 100 for your Ironfoe/Felstriker only to lose them to some random. 

 

26 minutes ago, kastle said:

hi, welcome to mmorpg's 

Yes, welcome to MMORPG's where we find ways around almost anything, even not winning a drop. 1 of those things is a reserve run. Also, cartels for leather. Can't WAIT until GDKP comes here. That is not sarcasm. I love them.

Edited February 27, 2017 by behemothdog

[Lapinlehmät 1]

Just let the reservers form their own group and fight over loot.

[Fladrif 14]

The worst part of mankind plays Vanilla  Wow.  

Yesterday, I joined a reserved run at RFD: we had a single clothed character in the group and he reserved a cloth item.  He said "I'll change to Master Loot shortly before the last boss". 

I thought: Why the need to reserve? It seems natural to me that the mage gets all the cloth.

I realized the reason later: he brought such a dick transvestite paladin from his guild who tried to ninja a chest first and then needed ALL of the leather items.

-《Why you do that? You can wear Plate》

-《Do u think I'm a nOOb? I need da stats, dont care about +200 armor on shoulder》

 

And there you have it.

The worst part of mankind plays Vanilla  Wow. 

Edited February 27, 2017 by Fladrif

[ismeckye 7]

As a rogue you can almost always have fun PvPing in any spec you, as mage you can AoE grind and make money in the hundreds? Whats the advantage of a prot warrior, huh? He cant PvP, he cant make a decent coin! His advantage is that there are hundreds upon hundreds of rogues who will run dungeons anways with him. When I reserved I did it like this:

1.  TS reserved, when I got it it was
2. Dal'Rend MH reserved, when I got it it was
3. Dal'Rend OH reserved, and first slots filled were ALWAYS rogues.

I have an advantage whereas I have lots of disadvantages, I will work around my advantages, dont be so seflish, do you want even less people tank for you?
Do you think reserving bindings when a T2 warrior runs his own weekly MC pug is unethical? He leads the raid, he inivted everyone, he has all rights to do so!

[Crixx 2]

6 hours ago, Morathe said:

You present mentality of either fresh or salty player that is too lazy to form his own groups but is still entitled to have a shot at getting whatever he considers fancy.

+100, /thread

[Storfan 24]

9 hours ago, mortisxamor said:

The thing is though you don't HAVE to be "pre raid bis" to raid at all....it doesn't hurt obv but these items are not needed to raid. It's the same logic that makes people demand you be 4 levels above an instance to take you into it that demands you need "pre raid bis" to raid. Everyone seems to want fast and easy or nothing at all....i do however understand where you are coming from but i think people ruin there own experiences with these mindsets.

You're right, you dont "have" to be pre-raid bis to raid. However coming to raid in subpar lvl50 quest-reward green-trash is actually quite disrespectful for the other raid-attendees who will effectively be carrying this person, they are carrying their own weight as well as the trash-geared player. Imagine Having a setup of 4 freshly 60-dinged green-geared (including Maintank) in green lvl50 quest rewards, how far do you think that raid would get into MC? I'll tell you how - Not a single boss killed. Brining pre-raid bis and consumables is a courtesy towards your fellow raid-attendees.

9 hours ago, boxjellyfish said:

This is the typical blizzard response you'd get for a post like this

 

"If you don't like other groups reserving items, take the time to make your own group without limitations on rolling"

 

bam, don't like it, make your own groups. 

^This sums it up pretty well.

8 hours ago, Revo said:

reserving is a dick move, but only a few classes can really do this. if you see a rogue reserving something, its very easy to fill your own group not reserving anything. so dont just complain, but let them see how easy it is to drain their players.

but well, if a tank reserves an item, he possibly is in advantage.

what i hate the most about reserving items: on retail vanilla, this happened pretty much never in non-raid dungeons. so it reminds you youre on a private server

Agreed. People will call me out for having double standards but I dont mind. Reserving is "reserved" for classes/roles that actually bring something that is in low supply and high demand, that is Tanks and in some cases healers. On a personal note, when I was farming my Ironfoe I simply excluded fury warriors and rogue completely from my runs unless they specifically stated that they didnt want Ironfoe, it's basically a sneak way of reserving:)

8 hours ago, Zyfire said:

What's your opinion on reserving things in raids? Raids takes a lot of time to organize and can be stressful to run, should they not be rewarded for their time/effort?

The work that goes into hosting a weekly MC pug is quite alot, much more so than a guild run. It's definitely okay for a Geared tank to reserve what ever shit he wants in these cases, especially Bindings.

[ismeckye 7]

I invited mostly rogues and furies to my BRD runs because I made them really happy that there are constant runs for HoJ where the tank isnt rolling. There the groups looked liked: tank, fury, rogue, cloth DPS, healer. Worked like a charm and seeing the furies/rogues celebrate their HoJ was nice every time :)

[Storfan 24]

13 minutes ago, Ektelion said:

When i used to be bis pre raid tank, which i myself farmed my own ubrs key, and hosted my own ubrs groups, there was nothing i needed, NOTHING but felstriker, i did total 141 runs to get it ( reserved ) wanna know how sad people were because i was reserving it? NONE AT ALL, they were more than happy i kept hosting every night like 4-5 runs and were all coming back into my groups because i did 20-25 min ubrs jed+rend runs, because of a freaking 1% chance to drop dagger was reserved? guess who was the first to fill my spots? warriors and rogues. lmao

Too bad Felstriker is kinda shitty, but kudos for hosting ubrs for the lesser plebs <3

Edited February 27, 2017 by Storfan

[Irisai 8]

FWIW I've always loathed the idea of reserve runs. They just don't seem like they're in the spirit of the game to me. 

But with that said, they don't bother me too much. I either don't join them or make my own groups. They don't really affect my enjoyment of the game that much, I wish people wouldn't do them, but meh. 

[Pyrognome 3]

Well why does it bother you so much? Make some guild runs or just boykott reserving groups. I don't like people who reserve items too but I just don't join those groups and wait for the next group or build a group by my self.

[artan 14]

10 hours ago, Drain said:

If you do not like it, then do not go to those groups.

This ^

 

[hakoon 3]

Like OP said, I always thought reserving items in dungeons was very selfish and I never seen such things when i was playing vanilla in 2005/2009 excluding raids.

We were all going in UBRS and rolled on what we needed for exemple.

Right now, I can say im sick of running BRD to get HoJ that doesnt want to drops after almost 10 runs (dropped once, lost the roll to a Rogue). that yes, I would be tempted to reserve it. But as I find it being a dick move, I wont. I will either try to get some guild member helping me on some lava run or I will just go with a pug group, get only 1 member that can possibly need it (rogue) and hope for the best of luck to me.

When I see ppl looking for a tank for UBRS and say at the same time (deflector and both swords RES) I just LOL at them and wish them good luck finding one.

But yeah, there is no rules against that and if ppl want to RES every single loot, it's up to them, and it's up to anybody else to decide joining or not.

But as OP said, it kinda became out of hand. PPL should just boycott that kind of LFM imo.

 

 

[Mahtan 15]

I would argue, that there is a general shift in the mentality of Classic-WoW players.

While the game was new and fresh 12 years ago, people did not focus on progress but rather on having fun. I have never read about "reserving" on one of the three German realms I have played 2004-2006.

Today many people level a char and know the whole procedure in every little detail and get their fun through progressing as fast and efficient as possible. For many people, the game is about min-maxing and optimization. They lost track of the "magic" that this game can have, because they only see their own progress and forget, that the game is mostly about... playing the game.

So that's why I agree the opening thread. People who do reserve runs don't value the social aspect as high as their egocentric goals. People are right when they say, that Elysium is not like Classic, it is only a surrogate and replicates the experience in a slightly different way.

It is strange to see people reserving stuff in dungeons. It means that they do not really like playing the game.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Mahtan

[gotmilk0112 10]

21 hours ago, kastle said:

reserving things seems like a new phenomenon that i dont ever really remember existing in mmo's before the private server era, and now its everywhere.

Been playing since retail TBC, and reserving was a thing back then.

 

Don't like reserving? Make your own group. Simple enough. Nobody is forcing you to join the reserve group.

 

2 hours ago, Mahtan said:

It is strange to see people reserving stuff in dungeons. It means that they do not really like playing the game.

And who the fuck are you to tell people what they should and should not enjoy?

 

You really only see reserves for rare drops like dal'rends or hand of justice. Reserving those makes sense because it's already a really low drop chance; they don't want to roll against 3-5 more people, thus further reducing their chance of getting it.

Edited February 27, 2017 by gotmilk0112

[taladril 43]

Reserving runs? Step 1, be a tank.

I had to run LBRS 15 times to get the gem off the last boss. Since about run 5 I made sure to always do it with that gem reserved. It was stupid to be investing so much time in it not to do it that way. As a tank I provided a smooth and speedy run to finish the dungeon and was always successful without to group falling apart. I didn't join groups that reserved the last gem. I turned down groups that asked me to tank and the last gem was reserved. I joined groups where they were willing to work with me. Finding tanks can suck. I've seen groups looking for a tank for that with gem reserved and it could be over an hour before they go. So reserving is a double edged sword. If you tank then you can make your own rules a bit and I don't see the problem in that. It's an involved position which requires you to actually organize and coordinate and mortality rate is higher than some classes too so it's more expensive.

[salvy 1]

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If you tank then you can make your own rules a bit and I don't see the problem in that. It's an involved position which requires you to actually organize and coordinate and mortality rate is higher than some classes too so it's more expensive.

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Doing a dungeon as the leader is basically the same as this.

I think that if you put the effort to put the group together [sometimes this shit takes like thirty minutes or an hour etc] you should be able to reserve whatever you want.

[behemothdog 4]

7 minutes ago, salvy said:

Doing a dungeon as the leader is basically the same as this.

I think that if you put the effort to put the group together [sometimes this shit takes like thirty minutes or an hour etc] you should be able to reserve whatever you want. 

Well yeah, but its easier to replace heals or DPS

if you know he is good, I say run with em. They might just return the favor you help them get a shiny they want. 

[Mahtan 15]

I am lucky, I have a solid friendlist and can almost always start a group as tank with a healer and 1-2 dps and enjoy the game in the most social way possible.

Righteous Orbs are rolled in Round Robin, I pass on flask recipes that I already have (instead of needing them out of pure greed) and I will never ever reserve a flask recipe, just because I want to speed up my own progress or the one of my guild. I just hate the mentality and it is my good right to put every person on /ignore when I read about reserve runs in world chat. Muhahahaha!