The Devilsaur monopoly.

[Nosleep 4]

9 minutes ago, Morathe said:

A) So u're irrelevant in this discussion and you admit that, good that we have that out of the way.

B) I didn't bother to read 9 pages of semi intellectual crap, you got that right, I don't need to read all that if you use term that doesn't match the subject you move in singular post... no matter how hard you tried to stretch it into your argumentation before. Why would I need to read 9 pages of your attempts to stretch the meaning of a term everyone knows? To confuse myself? Or to trouble myself with battling every semi-logic argument that you produced to achieve your goal? As they say "bitch please...". 

C) Oh yes very much so. I'm angry for a living. 

sigh, this will be the last time i respond to you, no offence, but if you admit you cant be bothered to read what i said.. by doing so you refuse to actually understand what i mean.. so then its pointless talking to you.

your subjective idea's about me being irrelevant to a topic asking to have rules discussed, when the rules are shared across all servers, is a prime example of your entire attitude.

 

thanks for calling me names, insulting me, and refusing to read what i say before telling me im wrong.

 

laters :)

Edited March 10, 2017 by Nosleep

[Morathe 5]

You talk about principle... that is irrelevant in un'goro. Thats why I'm getting mad... u're trying to break down the term as its some very technical thing jesus. As I said ALSO before "Wintrading" in bgs is not allowed cause it disrupt the global ranking system. In un'goro we DONT WINTRADE. We ask hordes A to come kill allies A in return allies A call hordes B to kill allies B (me). In both situations different people fight their battles and no party involved die intentionally for the gain of the other side (both sides fight and the winning side takes the profit). Think of it as battleground battle but you can group with both hordes and alliance but inside battleground only hordes can kill allies and vice versa, ofc you'll cooperate with your hordes to achieve ultimate win, and thats the case in un'goro. Win trading in battlegrounds as stated in ToU is skipping the fight and letting other side win to avoid competition (by completely dodging long games and thus putting yourself ahead of your rivals in same faction). Don't compare those things. 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Morathe

[nooobieee 3]

19 minutes ago, Morathe said:

In un'goro we DONT WINTRADE. We ask hordes A to come kill allies A in return allies A call hordes B to kill allies B (me). In both situations different people fight their battles and no party involved die intentionally for the gain of the other side (both sides fight and the winning side takes the profit). Think of it as battleground battle but you can group with both hordes and alliance

That's called wintrading. Partnering with the opposing faction to win and vice versa. Also, if you had read the thread, you would know that players are not just asking the opposing faction to come kill their own faction's players they are helping the opposite faction players win by, for example, healing them.

Edited March 10, 2017 by nooobieee

[Daxtar 1]

21 hours ago, Lorilay said:

Teamspeak existed in vanilla as well. Blizzard never limited people to only using in-game communication (and the terrible quality of their voice comms in later expansions is a testament to this). You're also not required to kill all players of the opposite faction you see. If you only want to kill a select few, then that's on you. Also, @Daxtar stop killing my alt trying to farm war effort materials!

Haha i'm sorry bra - If you are not cartel and i see red, soon you will be dead :P - Next level poem for you right there <3

Edited March 10, 2017 by Daxtar

[Fladrif 14]

Here's how anyone can exploit cross-faction communication to safely sell gold for real money without the need to farm them:

1) Create a monopoly over an item X by exploiting the game mechanic that prevents same-faction players from attacking you.

2) Set a fixed price for it (26g).

3) Sell gold for real money by trading item X to your customer and asking him to sell it on AH for 25g.

4) By trading 4 items, you've sold 100 gold. And none will notice it. Safe goldselling.

5) Pay someone with real money to secure your monopoly: you ask them to be ready to login&gank/(and exploit the  mechanics that prevents players from attacking same-faction) at different hours when they're power-leveling someone's else character. None should be able to influence the price of item X.

6) Sell gold ( that you don't even have to farm ) w/o risks. 

That's why vanilla-wow monopoly is dangerous: better to turn Un'Goro into an arena-like zone than having those people exploiting the fact that players can't attack  same-faction players who are cooperating with the opposite faction.

[homu2 1]

The only thing you can do is to deal with the fact that server is corrupted by incompetent administration/gms and stop playing here. Good luck.

Online has dramatically dropped since previous weekend, less players will play - more chances they will do something about this problem.

Edited March 10, 2017 by homu2

[Morathe 5]

4 hours ago, devilsaurPVEerBGwintrader said:

They are tolerating it quite specifically because it is behavior that is against the ToU that too many people are engaging in to make up for half a dozen other gold methods having been silently nerfed, and they now dont have enough GMs to control it. This was stated by GMs in the last thread, retard. Now the topic is open again because it continues to be a problem for such a large number of players that other people will open these threads repeatedly until the problem is solved. Deal with it little crybaby entitled whiner faggot.

Nobody controlling the cartel in ungoro has friends. People get bullied into being there even though you can pvp anywhere in the world, they let their fragile egos get whipped around into doing whatever their told. You probably know a lot about that since you're here posting now. I have no control over them, the admins do and something will be done about it because these threads arent going to stop being made and the pop isnt going to stop dropping as quickly as it is until the server changes drastically. I have little hope that will take place but Im not going to stop laughing at you handholding PVE carebear faggots as long as you keep flooding these threads with how much you love standing around together with the enemy faction. Youre just a little bitch and youre probably too shitty at playing your class to do anything other than fight mobs together with around 30 other people and then hand the skin over to the person who it actually belongs to, which isnt 29 of you fucking pathetic morons.

I love the people spamming about that video because it is literally a video of an alliance player pvping vs horde players and he hasnt participated in any of this faggotry whatsoever.

You are quite fucked in the head aren't ya? Are you a fucking alexensual apprentice or what? Gtfo bitch :P So much bullshit in one post I won't even address that. Get some help mongol.

Tl:dr if faggots like you quit the server because of that "problem" then I consider it a win :P 

ps. link me a gm stating they are out of control and un'goro is against ToU while they specificly told on various occasions its perfectly fine and people should either form their own ally-horde coalition or just enjoy other aspects of the game. 

p.p.s few randoms crying their ass off for eternity is not considered a LARGE number of people that have problem with it. Only underachievers got problem with it and ill actively fight you and u're looser logic.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Morathe

[Morathe 5]

2 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Here's how anyone can exploit cross-faction communication to safely sell gold for real money without the need to farm them:

1) Create a monopoly over an item X by exploiting the game mechanic that prevents same-faction players from attacking you.

2) Set a fixed price for it (26g).

3) Sell gold for real money by trading item X to your customer and asking him to sell it on AH for 25g.

4) By trading 4 items, you've sold 100 gold. And none will notice it. Safe goldselling.

5) Pay someone with real money to secure your monopoly: you ask them to be ready to login&gank/(and exploit the  mechanics that prevents players from attacking same-faction) at different hours when they're power-leveling someone's else character. None should be able to influence the price of item X.

6) Sell gold ( that you don't even have to farm ) w/o risks. 

That's why vanilla-wow monopoly is dangerous: better to turn Un'Goro into an arena-like zone than having those people exploiting the fact that players can't attack  same-faction players who are cooperating with the opposite faction.

Tinfoil hat equiped.

[Morathe 5]

7 hours ago, nooobieee said:

That's called wintrading. Partnering with the opposing faction to win and vice versa. Also, if you had read the thread, you would know that players are not just asking the opposing faction to come kill their own faction's players they are helping the opposite faction players win by, for example, healing them.

You're hopeless

[Nosleep 4]

The reason he is so mad and insulting everyone like a 15 year old, is because he has a LOT too lose from this.

 

Bias statements based purely on his greed and desperation to not lose a RL cash income is very likely

 

Finds it impossible to have an objective opinion, just insults wildly like a child, giving examples of things no one is talking about.

 

AKA: a troll.. and a bad 1... dont expect him to form a decent response to anything you say.. he openly refuses to read what ppl say.

 

im objective because im not on elysium and this doesnt effect me. But i do care about fair play and i HATE cheaters... and the entire principle behind cheating, whatever form it takes.

 

 

 

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nosleep

[Voice 2]

*Nosleep

Wait wat, arent you playing on any of the elysium servers on a weekly basis?.

[Hisana 0]

SOMEONE IS BETTER THAN ME.

 

 

MUST BE CHEATING

 

i swear to god i've never seen such a bunch of cry babies before, you really take the crown. haha, cry me a river

[rajinsu 8]

here this song imo was made for all the drama/probs  on this server

 

Edited March 11, 2017 by rajinsu

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

Fucking crybabies. Go play the game.

#mafiarules

[Morathe 5]

8 hours ago, Nosleep said:

The reason he is so mad and insulting everyone like a 15 year old, is because he has a LOT too lose from this.

Bias statements based purely on his greed and desperation to not lose a RL cash income is very likely

Finds it impossible to have an objective opinion, just insults wildly like a child, giving examples of things no one is talking about.

AKA: a troll.. and a bad 1... dont expect him to form a decent response to anything you say.. he openly refuses to read what ppl say.

im objective because im not on elysium and this doesnt effect me. But i do care about fair play and i HATE cheaters... and the entire principle behind cheating, whatever form it takes.

I totally wrecked your logic and tossed a few insults to highlight how flawed it was so its obvious you consider me a troll to diminish that effect. Thats psychological so don't worry, its natural reaction. But one thing to address: 

A) If you accuse me of gold selling bring a proof or gtfo, anyway you admit you're not even playing here so you have like 0 clue whats the matter. I sorta pity you that you're forum warrior and you spend time arguing ur 60 IQ ideas. Cheating? You're seriously fucked to the brain. Hey folks from this day calling in your friends and having a brawl even tho the other side does the same is cheating. Doesn't matter we have fair and square fights all the time but its CHEATING :P You sir are a pussy. Let that sink. Pussy:) 

P.S its cute you found a nice meme to highlight your case :) Speaking of 15y old thinking :* Btw you told 5 posts ago you won't respond to me so stick to your word and shut the fuck up :P or too triggered to leave that keyboard in peace?:D

 

Edited March 11, 2017 by Morathe

[Nosleep 4]

4 hours ago, Morathe said:

I totally wrecked your logic and tossed a few insults to highlight how flawed it was so its obvious you consider me a troll to diminish that effect. Thats psychological so don't worry, its natural reaction. But one thing to address: 

A) If you accuse me of gold selling bring a proof or gtfo, anyway you admit you're not even playing here so you have like 0 clue whats the matter. I sorta pity you that you're forum warrior and you spend time arguing ur 60 IQ ideas. Cheating? You're seriously fucked to the brain. Hey folks from this day calling in your friends and having a brawl even tho the other side does the same is cheating. Doesn't matter we have fair and square fights all the time but its CHEATING :P You sir are a pussy. Let that sink. Pussy:) 

P.S its cute you found a nice meme to highlight your case :) Speaking of 15y old thinking :* Btw you told 5 posts ago you won't respond to me so stick to your word and shut the fuck up :P or too triggered to leave that keyboard in peace?:D

 

Now im responding to you... previous post was talking to everyone about you.. big difference, but you know that.. and you still say what you say.. which is why youre a troll.. you know youre wrong but you say it anyways.

You didnt wreck my logic, you avoided it and talked about a few of your own experiences,  dismiss/avoid talking about everyone elses experience. While you pretend i had said the things that your points attempted to counter so you can claim victory.

like if i ask how many sides a triangle has.. and you answer that 5+5 = 10 and claim you solved the triangle question ... yes youre right, but youre not answering the question that was asked.

that is the very essence of a troll... or an idiot.... or both.

All you have done is give examples of your own group pvp that are not relevant to the examples that were given by me or a few others here... you know? the ones you openly refused to read? ... and just blurted your own examples acting like they answer the questions being asked here.

I never called you a cheat, i wasnt talking about you specifically in the last line of my post, i was explaining why i have a vested interest in this even though im not on elysium.

You are getting very angry and mad about my point of view, thats prob cos u have a lot to lose, imo thats prob rl cash. otherwise your anger is really pathetic, kinda like your insults towards me.. you dont have to prove them, you just give your opinion lol.  you really are a very poor troll.. did you also learn how to troll from yahoo comments and youtube? hahahahaha

 Please learn how to troll properly if youre going to put this much effort into, i mean really? are you the best the mafia has? pro mafia forum defender?? hahaha

if so then ill repeat my desire for you guys to come un'goro and try this stuff with me.. cos you fail this hard at trolling .. you prob fail equally hard at most things.

Learn to read, another thing you fail at, and you might have more success in forming a valid point, rather than childish insults and name calling .. troll 

lol .. you fail soo hard there is no meme for it.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nosleep

[Fladrif 14]

Please stop selling gold by exploiting game's mechanics to monopolize devilsaur's leather. 

The mere fact that this exploit can lead to a monopoly should be enough to condemn it.

Please stop selling gold.

 

[Dev24 0]

There is obviously a monopoly going on, but you can either start farming it yourself in a group or just do what I do and don't buy it. It's nowhere worth what they're charging anyway.

 

5 hours ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

Fucking crybabies. Go play the game.

#mafiarules

 

I do love it when people act tough about it though like this guy. You must feel like a badass being in a mafia in a videogame.

 

Nerds.

[Nosleep 4]

nerds is a term normally associated with intelligence, these guys are more like 12 year old youtube trolls, i would say 'kids' is a better term :)

 

but i like it too when they act tough, avoiding all points and giving it the big un lol :P 

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nosleep

[Nosleep 4]

9 hours ago, Voice said:

*Nosleep

Wait wat, arent you playing on any of the elysium servers on a weekly basis?.

i play on ZK dude :) 

I dont play on elysium, where this problem seems to happen, the mafia dont effect me and i encourage them to try and take over un'goro on ZK..i love the RP aspect of it.  as i said before in a post ''let them take over un'gogo??  let ally scum take over un'goro?? lol not on my watch!''  :P

 

i said i dont play on elysium, to counter the claims im only posting because im butthurt about devilsaurs. but i get them np's and the mafia dont stop me. and couldnt even if they wanted to :)

 

and they do want to stop me, raging youtube trolls on here avoiding all points spouting insults like a tantrum teenager, they even tried to get me banned with a lvl 6 trying to trade me 'gold selling ban gold' multiple times as soon as i logged on to Nosleep after i 1st got involved in this thread... he only did it to me, he wasnt trying random ppl.

i posted screen shot in this thread and reported ofc... sad little mafia tactics.. too scared to fight like men hahaha :P

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nosleep

[Nosleep 4]

21 hours ago, Morathe said:

You talk about principle... that is irrelevant in un'goro. Thats why I'm getting mad... u're trying to break down the term as its some very technical thing jesus. As I said ALSO before "Wintrading" in bgs is not allowed cause it disrupt the global ranking system.  Don't compare those things. 

saying that win trading is ONLY against the rules because it could break the ranking system is fundamentally wrong.

 

if i win trade but then stop when i get to rank 6.. or i only do it 1 game per week.. does that make it ok? ... ofc not!

 

why?

 

because its the principle behind win trading that is wrong, not the amount you gain from it.

 

...and the reason youre getting mad? Well that is because you dont like what i have said, and rather than form a constructive argument like a normal person, you avoid all points raised, openly refuse to read them and insult like a child. .. raging .. angry... entry lvl troll name calling ... lol

and u dare to call me triggered? hahahaha priceless irony!

Edited March 11, 2017 by Nosleep

[ismeckye 7]

On 9.3.2017 at 0:34 AM, Hurricane2 said:

Blizzard designed the game so that you can't cross faction communicate.  That's just how it is.  That was Blizzard's choice and I am simply echoing their choice on how they designed the game.  Just because you are able to communicate outside of the game doesn't mean it's allowed.  This is not a difficult mechanic to understand.

 

But why on earth did they make forums in the same moment they did the game? Why let the player communicate with the enemy faction on forums THE DEVELOPERS SET UP if you dont want  alliance and horde to talk to each other? They could've easily made it so that the forum sees that you are horde player and you cant see what the alliance says and vice versa. But they didnt, they wanted to have the factions be able to talk to each other.

[ismeckye 7]

On 9.3.2017 at 2:04 AM, Nosleep said:

just because its inefficient doesnt means its not the same thing... the principle is mine, and many others point, its not he mob farming, its the unfair pvp win trading. 

 

By that logic, if i do normal win trading, but i dont do it very well and we take too long and generate honor slowly, would that be ok? no.

there is a solution to win trading, as i stated in another post, you can also win trade and do it more than them to mean you beat them in honor brackets = pvp solution.

 

but win trading is against the rules, so win trading back is against the rules.

 

if win trading in bg's and out of bg's are the same thing and imo they are,  then the only solution to this problem is for people to use the same tactic, which when being understood as unfair, like normal win trading, is only advocating cheating to beat cheaters.

Do you know what win trading is?

a) Both teams get into the match and one just rolls over, the other wins in 5mins

b) One team opens up a game, both teams check whether they got the same match name and one doenst go in to the BG. Now before you win the game, most times you didnt even see an enemy as it takes time for PuGs to fill up the spots the dodging premade just gave up.

In both points you DONT PvP. You run across an empty field an bring flags from  A to B WITHOUT actually killing the opposing faction. So there is NO PvP involved.

[ismeckye 7]

On 10.3.2017 at 5:44 PM, nooobieee said:

That's called wintrading. Partnering with the opposing faction to win and vice versa. Also, if you had read the thread, you would know that players are not just asking the opposing faction to come kill their own faction's players they are helping the opposite faction players win by, for example, healing them.

World Wintrading aka honor farming would be:
Horde A calls Alliance A to kill Horde A.

After 20mins Alliance A let themselves get killed by Horde A etc. etc.

 

Nosleep: People get triggered hard and start insulting because the bunch that wants "sheep griefing" and faction collaboration sanctioned are the same who made the game the pile of shit retail is today. You want a player driven problem sorted by GMs. Dont you think it's better for the game to have the two factions collaborate instead of having whack-a-mole and hope your internet connection is fast enough? Did you like to stand next to a shaman/mage/druid on questnodes trying to tag the named when you yourself were warrior/priest/WL? It's GOOD to have this collaboration on this server. It makes for a better gameplay and people who farmed to Rank 14 can actually put their PvP gear to good use instead of stomping some BGs and farming BRM/Dire Maul. Now warriors and other group PvP classes actually have a shot to have fun outside of instances and play against other skilled players in the open for actual gain (gold). If anything it strengthens the hardcore scene as R12+ people and other hardcores just go raidlog if they dont have an incentive to dominate. I believe that farming Maraudon might still be more profitable for R14 hunters like Rottix than PvPing in the crater.

But because they can do other things (PvP) than dully killing the same mob over and over, it's such a big gathering point for many hardcores. And that's part of the problem for the casuals. There are so many hardcores in Un'goro that you cant compete anymore. 99% of the server pop isn't willing to run a guild, what makes you think they are willing to fight the "problem" by making opposing faction friends via the forums to fight the enemy guy by sheeping YOU? They simply cant be arsed (TBH I cant either, therefore I make 4 friends and farm Strat Live for living - pun intended - and sell orbs/shards/cloth/shit). I mean people in general not you personally as I know you arent afffected.

But in my opinion I think griefsheeping is GOOD. It's fun for the sheeper and really annoying to the enemy but no real harm done. You might die, well bring a mage along next time to get yourself sheep healed. All these little stupid ways of playing the game made vanilla so great. PvP has always been rather simple in vanilla WoW but with all them little nooks and crannies to know about it's actually alot more skillful than other WoW iterations. Did you know you cant even use all these engineering gadgets in RANDOM battlegrounds in retail anymore?! This is so fucked up, and that's the way you guys want handle sheeping. It was healing people for 12years now. Only because people now make good use of it, you want to ban that?

Do you want to ban bounties too? Say alliance player A got an item ninjad by alliance player B and player A now sets up a bounty of 50g to make noninvested players sheep all mobs of player B for 2days straight, would you want to ban them for collaboration? I think it's wrong to interfere with such ways of playing. If they want to be a dick to you by sheeping you, just set up a bounty and make them pay for 4 weeks. May cost you 500g but well worth it to taunt him every time he logs on dead.

P.S. I really hope you can be bothered to read this wall of text, but I used gaps to make it readible :)

P.P.S. Didn't you like the feeling in retail vanilla that the big bad endboss of the current tier raid wasnt defeated yet and the lingering doom was still upon you? Well, this charm faded long ago on pservers, therefore I personally adore the feeling of having an area out in the world that makes people tremble because it's a nogo area with 100% death certainty!

Edited March 11, 2017 by ismeckye

[Morathe 5]

6 hours ago, Nosleep said:

Now im responding to you... previous post was talking to everyone about you.. big difference, but you know that.. and you still say what you say.. which is why youre a troll.. you know youre wrong but you say it anyways.

You didnt wreck my logic, you avoided it and talked about a few of your own experiences,  dismiss/avoid talking about everyone elses experience. While you pretend i had said the things that your points attempted to counter so you can claim victory.

like if i ask how many sides a triangle has.. and you answer that 5+5 = 10 and claim you solved the triangle question ... yes youre right, but youre not answering the question that was asked.

that is the very essence of a troll... or an idiot.... or both.

All you have done is give examples of your own group pvp that are not relevant to the examples that were given by me or a few others here... you know? the ones you openly refused to read? ... and just blurted your own examples acting like they answer the questions being asked here.

I never called you a cheat, i wasnt talking about you specifically in the last line of my post, i was explaining why i have a vested interest in this even though im not on elysium.

You are getting very angry and mad about my point of view, thats prob cos u have a lot to lose, imo thats prob rl cash. otherwise your anger is really pathetic, kinda like your insults towards me.. you dont have to prove them, you just give your opinion lol.  you really are a very poor troll.. did you also learn how to troll from yahoo comments and youtube? hahahahaha

 Please learn how to troll properly if youre going to put this much effort into, i mean really? are you the best the mafia has? pro mafia forum defender?? hahaha

if so then ill repeat my desire for you guys to come un'goro and try this stuff with me.. cos you fail this hard at trolling .. you prob fail equally hard at most things.

Learn to read, another thing you fail at, and you might have more success in forming a valid point, rather than childish insults and name calling .. troll 

lol .. you fail soo hard there is no meme for it.

Nah im not angry because I got personal interest. I made enough so far and im not active there anymore. I'm angry because u're full of shit and represent mentality of a looser and a whiner. I learned trolling from your mom, she told me its a good bait for her retarded 16th son she kept caged in a basement thus far (good one right? har har). Fyi thre is no mafia... there is only CARTEL, get ur facts together if you talk about sense of your point (which lacks in every possible regard anyway O_o). 

P.S its funny to see you repeat I fail in every line :P self empowerment kicking in huh?