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[Wirt 8]

I really enjoy playing on your servers but I can't accept this as transparency when it comes to donated money. For transparency to happen we'd need a review of donated money into the PayPal account. I'm sure it could be done by uploading a video where you scroll through the PayPal account's deposits and withdrawals along with dates and balance status. Some blur effect in Sony Vegas is an easy task to inject as to remove sensitive information.

Sure, it might sound meticulous at first glance. However, like I've explained in other threads, it's mindboggling that you barely raise enough money for server upkeep when another project of your size managed to pile up $3 million in a PayPal account. The project is illegal after all, thus total transparency when it comes to money should be a given. Epecially if you're trying to convince Blizzard of your dreams about official legacy servers by them.

[Gizmore 0]

5 minutes ago, AzAMOuS said:

'I started weeks after the start'

Yeah. That makes your comment redundant on the situation.

And why? 

[metagame 8]

22 minutes ago, Wirt said:

The project is illegal after all, thus total transparency when it comes to money should be a given.

Illegal according to which country's laws?

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Epecially if you're trying to convince Blizzard of your dreams about official legacy servers by them.

I think Elysium and Nostalrius differ in their opinion of this situation. Personally, I don't think Blizzard Vanilla would be nearly as good as an open source fan project (which is what Elysium is).

[Storfan 24]

1 hour ago, NVladd said:

Again I don't think screenshots are sufficent enough as evidence as they can get easily be tampered with.

If you really want to be transparent and eliminate any doubts I think it would be better to have an openly refreshed donater counter like on the front page of the Elysium website so we can see the donations at all times and where the money goes. Lots of communities do this, also don't you think it would be better to use a business related bank / PayPal account instead of a personal one like yours...

That last sentence made no sense. It's a double negative. Did you mean that you DO think they should use a business related bank/paypal account?. The reason they cant do this is because of legal reasons relating to intellectual property rights, taxation etc. They HAVE to use private accounts for this to "work".

In the end, who gives a flying fuk? it's a fuking private-pirate server and you are free to donate out of your own free will. If you dont want to donate because you dont trust the admins then fine. DONT DONATE.

1 hour ago, Wirt said:

I really enjoy playing on your servers but I can't accept this as transparency when it comes to donated money. For transparency to happen we'd need a review of donated money into the PayPal account. I'm sure it could be done by uploading a video where you scroll through the PayPal account's deposits and withdrawals along with dates and balance status. Some blur effect in Sony Vegas is an easy task to inject as to remove sensitive information.

Sure, it might sound meticulous at first glance. However, like I've explained in other threads, it's mindboggling that you barely raise enough money for server upkeep when another project of your size managed to pile up $3 million in a PayPal account. The project is illegal after all, thus total transparency when it comes to money should be a given. Epecially if you're trying to convince Blizzard of your dreams about official legacy servers by them.

The autism relating to transparency in this thread is so amazing my sides are LITERALLY in orbit. It's a private-pirate server. Donate or dont. It's your choice. If you dont trust the admins then dont.

 

EDIT: Before anyone asks. Yes I played on feenix. Yes I know the story about the sports car.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Storfan

[Owondyah 8]

you donated the money...

Server uptime costs X amount, we got Y amount of money. Z is the months payed for server upkeep.

Do the math and see if it fits you. If don't - stop donating. None is forcing you to do it in order to play it.

I will donate each month even if it went straight into their pockets.

 

If you GAVE something, don't cry about it. Give again or stop giving it at all... geezus, what a science. 

 

 

"The project is illegal after all, thus total transparency when it comes to money should be a given." - just woah lol 

Edited March 22, 2017 by Owondyah

[Mohasco 0]

14 hours ago, Shenna said:

@indi Currently the population of Zeth'Kur is still on a Blizzlike level and not taking any negative influence on PvP or PvE. A possible merge may take place if the population would drop permanently into ranges which would make PvP and PvE barely possible, that doesn't seem to be the case currently.

Maybe if you would have looked at the trend you'd have realized that it's not a question IF you will have to do a merge, but rather a question of WHEN. If you had realized this, maybe you would have realized that you will avoid losing the majority of the server's player base if you do it sooner rather than later.

Also, there has been plenty of feedback from the community on this already.

[Ickus 40]

Just merge ZK with Anathema since it's bleeding pop since the war effort hasn't been fixed.

[TheDruidCode 28]

1 minute ago, Ickus said:

Just merge ZK with Anathema since it's bleeding pop since the war effort hasn't been fixed.

Don't think everyone would be happy to jump a year of progression forward. Or be held back a year. But if the war effort gonna take a year to complete  they just as well merge...

[Ickus 40]

3 minutes ago, TheDruidCode said:

Don't think everyone would be happy to jump a year of progression forward. Or be held back a year. But if the war effort gonna take a year to complete  they just as well merge...

Lol love it

[Meitie 0]

4 hours ago, Ragward said:

The whole reason Zethkur started was because of massive Que times , NOW it was your choice to hastily move to another server YOUR choice to skip the ques instead of Wait like ALL The rest of elysium players you are extremely impatient and now you are crying because your server is going lower not dying but going lower I am not against the merger I Just wish you would stop posting this in every announcement made by the dev team  this was purely a transparency post and now it has been turned into a whine fest of epic proportion.

This is totally bullshit.  Who are you that you know the reason of every single player who started on ZK? There are players like me who started just a few weeks ago because of a pop about 3k in the peak. And now when it drops there are flamer like you who tell us its our problem 

1. This is Not true for every player

2. No one has a benefit by a bleeding dying community. Is Not good to save the players?

Think about what you are saying because people and their reasons for zk are different

[Pest 3]

This post is fine and all, but where's that war effort change?? You said, "Max 2 days" 3 days ago. So, what happened with that?

[Jawohl 3]

Correct me if im wrong, but ...

Showing your Order numbers could potentially help / lead Blizzard jurists to track this project down. By leagal actions they could sue OVH and show them exactly what service is being paid by who, and request them to take it down. You kind of shooting yourself in the leg with "transparency".

They can quite easily say that this private server project breaks the Copyright law and OVH is providing them with the server. The order number is what will lead them directly to the correct machine / account and voila, its a snap of fingers to cease and desist.

Just a tought thought.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Jawohl

[Haestingas 30]

Anyone with a brain on their head knew day 1 that ZK was going to crash and burn. It was made for all the impatient hype kiddies who were unwilling to wait 2 weeks for Elysium's pop to calm down, so they cried and moaned all over the forums for another fresh server. News flash, vanilla wow has a HUGE drop off on every server ever made from level 1 - 60, because people just don't stick it through. Fact is that until the server #'s are truly dire, with 500 pop peaks the powers that be will do nothing. Quite frankly it's obvious that the devs, admins, and GM's have their plates 130% full as it is, without having to worry about a merge.

[Reggi 0]

Maybe all the whiners should just roll a toon on anathema. It takes a few weeks to get to 60 even at a snails pace. By the time you have 3 weeks played you will be 60 with better gear than is even out on ZK. The simple solution is to abandon the ZK experiment and go to the servers who have a steady and consistent pop.

[Lorilay 12]

If you're wondering where that 90% went to, most of the people that roll on fresh servers are the exact same people that are looking for those elusive greener pastures. Once their unattainable dreams weren't fulfilled, they were off to roll on the next server to be released. Wow, Feenix Rebirth Nostalrius Anathema Elysium Zeth'kur totally sucked! I'm going to go start fresh on Corecraft Hellground Hellfire Tauri Primal, and the list goes on...

Those are not the player base the admins on here should be listening to, since they have no vested interest in any project and are usually the ones complaining loudly about how some pack in Deadmines isn't patrolling 100% correctly and thus the server is terrible.

Edited March 22, 2017 by Lorilay

[Shayss 43]

28 minutes ago, Ektelion said:

If i was on zeth'kur alrdy lvl 60 i'd definitelly prefer a transfer, as a warrior it took me 10 days played to get lvl 60 on old nostalrius, this is freaking aids, we're living in a century where time is not infinite, for adults with jobs even more.

leveling from scratch on a late bwl content server is cancer.

And here i thaught you had left already because Pottu had left.

[Alrik 6]

10 hours ago, Ektelion said:

we're living in a century where time is not infinite

Wrong. We're living in a century where we have as much time as we never had before.

[Alrik 6]

53 minutes ago, Ektelion said:

Everyone has a different opinion on this, but why do you think the retail wow has gone to the casual friedly direction it has so far?

Because people simply no longer have the time they had when vanilla first came out so many years ago.

No, people are washed up Pussys nowadays that need immediant gratification or else they create a new Hashtag on Twitter that they're being surpressed by Blizzard.

People are weak because they don't have real Problems to care about.

Have you read the Official Forums? Ever since Vanilla its full of Crybabies that the Game is too hard.

Blizzard took the approach to make things easier instead of telling them "fuck off".

[Ickus 40]

Stop hijacking our #Freethewareffort movement. Also boys if they ever open transfers come to Anathema. We'd love to give you hugs.

[rajinsu 8]

1 hour ago, Ickus said:

Stop hijacking our #Freethewareffort movement. Also boys if they ever open transfers come to Anathema. We'd love to give you hugs.

U should just give up on the war eff getting fixed its clear that they wont  or dont know how to or it would have been done by now look at all the time from the start of the war eff that they had to fix it at any point .Yet it just get put off and will get back to u just to tell us na not going to fix it.thin we listen to our players will let u know once we recount the numbers.Really becase if that was the case it would have been fixed the first time..

ok whiteknights go head and flame me for calling there shit agin

[Hurricane2 2]

9 minutes ago, rajinsu said:

U should just give up on the war eff getting fixed its clear that they wont  or dont know how to or it would have been done by now look at all the time from the start of the war eff that they had to fix it at any point .Yet it just get put off and will get back to u just to tell us na not going to fix it.thin we listen to our players will let u know once we recount the numbers.Really becase if that was the case it would have been fixed the first time..

ok whiteknights go head and flame me for calling there shit agin

Edit for grammar and spelling and then we can flame.

[rajinsu 8]

10 minutes ago, Hurricane2 said:

Edit for grammar and spelling and then we can flame.

[Hurricane2 2]

I agree but I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say with so many typos.

[demundus 0]

@Shenna,

 

I mentioned this in another thread, but can you guys boil it down to maybe a monthly/daily donation limit? Like how reddit does with gold? Really helps show us the progress towards helping you daily.

[Wirt 8]

On 2017-03-22 at 2:19 PM, metagame said:

Illegal according to which country's laws?

For example Blizzard won a lawsuit against a WoW emulator project in the U.S in 2010. Blizzard has also won a lawsuit against a WoW bot maker project in Germany in 2017 and a Hearthstone clone by a Chinese company in 2014. Then there are projects such as Nostalrius that shut down after receiving cease and desist letters.

On 2017-03-22 at 3:16 PM, Storfan said:

In the end, who gives a flying fuk? it's a fuking private-pirate server and you are free to donate out of your own free will. If you dont want to donate because you dont trust the admins then fine. DONT DONATE.

The autism relating to transparency in this thread is so amazing my sides are LITERALLY in orbit. It's a private-pirate server. Donate or dont. It's your choice. If you dont trust the admins then dont.

Elysium is a very big project. It's size probably surpasses that of Scapegaming. Scapegaming managed to pile up $3 million in a PayPal account. Therefore I think it's logical to request transparency regarding donations. Especially when we're being told they barely get enough donations to keep the servers online. There's plenty of more legitimate reasons to ask for evidence on how donated money is handled. Such as the case with Vitaliy, the owner of the project, who was caught in an RMT channel full with Chinese users where he offered to unban for money.