How is "Ninja" defined?

[Sancty 0]

Hey guys.... i just have a small question.

Today in the morning i was in redridge and did some quests. I saw a copper ore surrounded by 3 Mobs... i killed them to get the Ore. And while i´m fighting, there came a warrior and mined the ore. I wrote... dude i killed them to get the ore and he said: "Don´t cry"....

I mean... i don´t feel angry because i didn´t got the skillpoint or the ore. I felt angry because of his behaviour. He could said: Oh sorry i didn´t knew that or make me the offer to give me the ore, but he just said Dont Cry... 

 

Now my question is, is that Ninja? It´s not social, definetely not....

 

PS: Sorry for my bad English grammar....^^

[Stormhart 12]

It's not ninja. It happens all the time, not just with nodes, but witch questi tems other resources aswell. You are not in a raid or group environment where you can set rules

[TheDruidCode 28]

Bad manners. Darn them Warriors.

[PeterGryphon 0]

There are two types of players: Those who play solely for themselves and their own personal gain, and those who prefer a more social friendly experience. There is not technically anything wrong with either player, although the latter is always nicer to encounter.

At some point you will find yourself in his shoes, and at that moment, you'll find out what kind of player you are.

To answer your question, poeple out for themselves will argue that there are no ninja's here because there are no set rules against it. Even in groups/raids etc people can take what they want and there is nothing you can do to stop them.

Edited April 5, 2017 by PeterGryphon

[Wrathran 4]

It's not a ninja if the player is not in your group.

A ninja is someone who clicks need on an item when he should click greed, loots a chest without a roll or taking mining nodes or herbs without a roll >in a group<.

There is nothing in the rules that forbid ninja-looting but a player who is a group-leader and writes loot-rules and then breaks those rules as master-looter is a scammer and that is against the rules.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Wrathran

[Undertanker 88]

These are ninjas

Hope this clarifies things.

[Storfan 24]

Ninja? - Nah. Bad manners? - Probably yeah.

[Trophy Un1ocked 2]

These are Samurai Ninja

 

Incase anyone was wondering.

Edited April 5, 2017 by Trophy Un1ocked

[Rickrolled 4]

[Sesshomaru 1]

well, he is not in your party or anything... resources in open world are "FIRST COMES FIRST SERVED" , the guy probably knew it was a dick move, but it happens all the time

[Greenkarma 1]

What will be next? He killed my mob, thought  I gonna do it soonish.

Cmooon.....

 

 

[Banezilla 2]

What if someone needs on all BoEs since they need gold? Seems legit.

[TheDruidCode 28]

4 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

What if someone needs on all BoEs since they need gold? Seems legit.

Indeed, this has to be discussed! Haven't seen a word about it on these forums.

[Wrathran 4]

9 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

What if someone needs on all BoEs since they need gold? Seems legit.

Need gold = greed, that's kinda the definition of greed, they Greed for gold, they don't need it.

One thing that retail did that is genious is to make all BoE loot become soulbound if you click need as need = equip and greed=sell.

[Banezilla 2]

But, I really really need gold more than you do.

[SpottedCow 2]

3 hours ago, Banezilla said:

But, I really really need gold more than you do.

Agreed.  That BoE epic that you're equipping is something I could sell to buy a BoE epic that I can equip.  Personally, for BoE blues and epics, I'm going to roll on them because I'm not going to pass up something that can help me afford to get my BiS so some random can get his.  If it's friends/guildies, that's one thing.  PuGs, I don't owe you shit.

[ShadowLords 2]

3 hours ago, SpottedCow said:

Agreed.  That BoE epic that you're equipping is something I could sell to buy a BoE epic that I can equip.  Personally, for BoE blues and epics, I'm going to roll on them because I'm not going to pass up something that can help me afford to get my BiS so some random can get his.  If it's friends/guildies, that's one thing.  PuGs, I don't owe you shit.

 

Well in this case, I'm going to start to roll on everything also, cause umm you see I got this alt. who I'm also trying to get his BIS gear, oh no wait... I mean actually, I could use that piece for my Pvp spec.

[Oakenlix 79]

Ok, you have summoned me in this thread by mentioning BoE rolling.

7 hours ago, Wrathran said:

they Greed for gold, they don't need it.

With all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?

People do need gold, its one of the most important resources in the game.

 

[Undertanker 88]

[smokeit 26]

7 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

Ok, you have summoned me in this thread by mentioning BoE rolling.

With all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?

People do need gold, its one of the most important resources in the game.

 

Of course a night elf druid playing on the ely realm wants to need on an item they're not gonna equip but sell.

"Oh I can't use this item, the other guy in my group could really use it as a good upgrade, fuck it ima need roll on it and sell/vendor the item for a lil gold"

This is one of the reasons zeth'kur should never be merged with elysium. In ZethKur your name matters and your name is known. In elysium its a free-ass bullshit need party where your name gets forgotten.

[Wrathran 4]

8 hours ago, Oakenlix said:

With all due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?

People do need gold, its one of the most important resources in the game.

Don't be silly an play with words.

When the roll window shows up, there is a freaking gold coin as a greed button.

You can make any rules you want in a group and roll need or greed or whatever as long as your group is ok with that but the default system for everyone who isn't an ninja:

Need=equip mainspec
Greed=sell (there is a freaking gold coin as button), send to alt, use for offspec.
There is a third is option for BoP loot that no mainspec needs, then it's ok to click need after asking in chat.

Anytime you want to deviate from this very simple and commonly used and accepted system you ASK and come to an AGREEMENT with your group. If not, you are a ninja.

There are clever ninjas and there are stupid ninjas. The clever ninjas are for example druids who need on 2h weapons that no one need that have no stats and only procs. Those ninjas are smart, they live in the shadows as most people don't even realize they are a ninja that ninjad a handful fo gold from the group. Idiot ninjas click need on epic BoE loot when everyone else click greed, making some gold in the short run but may suffer from it in the future in a way they have no control over.

[Justme 9]

I miss the days before the loot windows was added and you had to shout NEED or GREED

[Justme 9]

Personally I just Round Robin everything so the whole group gets an equal amount of items.

[Oakenlix 79]

1 hour ago, Wrathran said:

Don't be silly an play with words.

When the roll window shows up, there is a freaking gold coin as a greed button.

You can make any rules you want in a group and roll need or greed or whatever as long as your group is ok with that but the default system for everyone who isn't an ninja:

Need=equip mainspec
Greed=sell (there is a freaking gold coin as button), send to alt, use for offspec.
There is a third is option for BoP loot that no mainspec needs, then it's ok to click need after asking in chat.

Anytime you want to deviate from this very simple and commonly used and accepted system you ASK and come to an AGREEMENT with your group. If not, you are a ninja.

There are clever ninjas and there are stupid ninjas. The clever ninjas are for example druids who need on 2h weapons that no one need that have no stats and only procs. Those ninjas are smart, they live in the shadows as most people don't even realize they are a ninja that ninjad a handful fo gold from the group. Idiot ninjas click need on epic BoE loot when everyone else click greed, making some gold in the short run but may suffer from it in the future in a way they have no control over.

I'm not being silly, and I'm definitely not playing with the words "greed" and "need" like you do. The thing is, there's a high-priority roll ("Need") and a low-priority roll ("Greed"), and it's simply how the game mechanics work. Names of the buttons and icons don't matter (rofl, why would you even make an argument about icons, as if they weren't there it would change everything and you would get confused and not roll on anything?).

So what you're saying is basically that a BoE that is a gear upgrade for someone should have a higher roll priority than for someone who would make an equivalent amount of gold from selling it. Which is self contradictory, because we're talking about equivalent amount of gold, that amount being - the average price on AH. So you really believe that when a BoE item drops, someone who can equip it and save himself N gold from not having to buy it from AH, has a higher priority over someone who can sell it for the same N gold on AH.

Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. They do need it equally, therefore their roll's priorities should be equal, either both "Need" or both "Greed", but since the latter allows someone to get sneaky and roll "Need" in the last moment, it'd be better and more fair if everyone rolled "Need" on BoEs to prevent that.

 

PS: @smokeit, I'm glad that you're being consistent with your idiocy and still failing to make any sensible point.

[Wrathran 4]

@Oakenlix Just shut up and listnen god damn.

You can make any rules you want in your group. Just communicate with your group and come to an agreement.

But right now, in World of Wacraft, today and since launch, this is the default system:

Need=equip mainspec
Greed=sell (there is a freaking gold coin as button), send to alt, use for offspec.
There is a third is option for BoP loot that no mainspec needs, then it's ok to click need after asking in chat.

You may agree to this like EVERY single group I have played in have for over 9 years, or you may disagree. If you disagree, you can either be a ninja and click need on items you don't equip for mainspec, or you come to an agreement with the group so everyone clicks need on rare items or what ever you want.

You just spew out your pointless opinions and no one cares. This is the reality, how it works. We don't care what you think. Make your own rules in your own groups if you like but this is how it works for the vast majority of the community.