Is there anything Elysium can do?

[Ultimatebigz 0]

Hey guys, I dont post much on the forums but I have been playing on Nostalrius since it first came out. Im sure a lot of you have seen me on this server (good or bad lol). But I wanted to hear your guys opinions on vanilla servers getting to Naxx.

It feels to me that the majority of the vanilla playerbase does not want to do Aq/Naxx. My guess is that Aq/Naxx is when vanilla actually started to get hard and much more grindy and most players are too casual or not interested on harder content and would rather roll on a different server (probably fresh) or just play other video games. So it makes me wonder, is there anything elysium can do to keep players on a server to play through all of vanilla content?

My personal opinion is that there is nothing elysium can do to keep a vanilla server populated through out all vanilla content. No matter how well the scripting is or how good the server stability is; the majority of the vanilla player base is not interested in ever clearing Naxx, they would rather farm MC/BWL then quit/reroll fresh server.

[Pest 3]

26 minutes ago, Ultimatebigz said:

Hey guys, I dont post much on the forums

"Newbie 1 post" 

27 minutes ago, Ultimatebigz said:

I have been playing on Nostalrius since it first came out. Im sure a lot of you have seen me on this server (good or bad lol).

No idea who the fuck you are.

27 minutes ago, Ultimatebigz said:

So it makes me wonder, is there anything elysium can do to keep players on a server to play through all of vanilla content?

 

Yeah, don't let the war effort last 2 months longer than it should have, and keep BWL open for 1+ years. I understand the shutdown happened, but running it another 6 months didn't help. Nost had most of AQ scripted(supposedly) and all they needed to do was finish it, but the QA team was all like, "Yo, we aint go finish this AQ in time, so we adding a 1000 time more mats for the War Effort in order for us to finish it."

30 minutes ago, Ultimatebigz said:

No matter how well the scripting is or how good the server stability is; the majority of the vanilla player base is not interested in ever clearing Naxx, they would rather farm MC/BWL then quit/reroll fresh serve

Naw, not really. If they had a release schedule, and actually followed it. You'd see a lot of people stick around, but now it's in Chinese hands to keep Anathema afloat. Without them...R.I.P just look at realmplayers.

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[Gardash 11]

A TBC server where we can port our toons will keep people around.  If you can take your tier 3 character into Outlands, people will not just clear Naxx, but will farm it too.

[Undertanker 88]

14 hours ago, Gardash said:

A TBC server where we can port our toons will keep people around.  If you can take your tier 3 character into Outlands, people will not just clear Naxx, but will farm it too.

[Banezilla 2]

On 08/07/2017 at 10:09 PM, Ultimatebigz said:

My guess is that Aq/Naxx is when vanilla actually started to get hard and much more grindy and most players are too casual or not interested on harder content and would rather roll on a different server (probably fresh) or just play other video games.

There's many reasons why people moved from Anathema to Elysium and why people choose Elysium over Anathema when just starting. Blaming casuals isn't the correct position to take.

[Morathe 5]

On 8/8/2017 at 6:09 AM, Ultimatebigz said:

Hey guys, I dont post much on the forums but I have been playing on Nostalrius since it first came out. Im sure a lot of you have seen me on this server (good or bad lol). But I wanted to hear your guys opinions on vanilla servers getting to Naxx.

It feels to me that the majority of the vanilla playerbase does not want to do Aq/Naxx. My guess is that Aq/Naxx is when vanilla actually started to get hard and much more grindy and most players are too casual or not interested on harder content and would rather roll on a different server (probably fresh) or just play other video games. So it makes me wonder, is there anything elysium can do to keep players on a server to play through all of vanilla content?

My personal opinion is that there is nothing elysium can do to keep a vanilla server populated through out all vanilla content. No matter how well the scripting is or how good the server stability is; the majority of the vanilla player base is not interested in ever clearing Naxx, they would rather farm MC/BWL then quit/reroll fresh server.

Vanilla was unique in that manner that even tho Naxx was too hard for majority to clear or even step in you never really needed to be full bis high end geared to actually keep playing the game and remain competitive if you wanted. Thats due to poor class balance, you could pair tier 1 or tier 2 quality rogue vs full naxx warrior, mage, hunter and if rogue was top skilled he would still beat the crap out of them. 

I feel majority of people that play on vanilla servers today are a bit entitled in a way that if they smell that they won't be able to raid AQ or NAXX and by that fall off from competitive environment they just leave because they refuse to realize that its not lack of best gear that make them bad, its just having poor skill. But thats one group and so far its proven somewhat right. Then you have a second group in which I'm that would like to raid the crap out of Naxx with full dedication because I had no chance to do it on retail, unlike the first group this group realizes that Naxx is ultimate reward for ultimate dedication. 

Sadly those are not the only factors, Nostalrius shown us how crazy good server can be if community is there. Its hard to stick around on low pop server if you got accustomed to huge world pvps each day 24/7, constant drama, this made things much more interesting than raids or patch content. 

So NO... don't rationalize by trying to assume people just don't like "hard" because thats not the reason why shit went down here. Server died because many of many reasons mixed together... like poor management, releasing bugged content despite delays and ptr attendance, taking independence in implementing very anti blizz-like custom tweaks despite being advertised as blizz-like. All of this paired with release of a fresh server... thus cutting surplus of fresh players produced that result. Whats killing it even more right now is fact they have like no dev team left, they rely on open source contributors to do the job... thats why herb spawn rate and Silithus is fucked for more than a month now without a fix.

[FEYAARES 3]

6 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Sadly those are not the only factors, Nostalrius shown us how crazy good server can be if community is there. Its hard to stick around on low pop server if you got accustomed to huge world pvps each day 24/7, constant drama, this made things much more interesting than raids or patch content. 

Aaaaaaand you're right ! 
And it's the most important thing in a MMO : the community. I was playing on retail Legion, not so bad, but Blizzard have killed the community aspect, I'm on FF14 in the same time, not crazy, not so bad too, community is really cool and this is one big point.
I'm not on Vanilla only for the game but for the community aspect too and doesn't matter of the lvl you are game feel epic from ragefire to the end. 

I play sometime on Anathema but more on Elysium. Anathema community during EU Time is pretty cool but for sure 1k people is too low.
I'm not expecting something like on Elysium but for sure around 3/4k it can be really perfect for a strong community and funny server to play on.

[Ickus 40]

I mean they could have just not opened a fresh server like morons

[Banezilla 2]

2 minutes ago, Ickus said:

I mean they could have just not opened a fresh server like morons

They could have not opened a wildly popular server and catered to entitled refugees of a dead server. I don't think they're morons for giving their customers what they want.

You think you do but you don't!

[Undertanker 88]

15 hours ago, Banezilla said:

They could have not opened a wildly popular server and catered to entitled refugees of a dead server. I don't think they're morons for giving their customers what they want.

"their customers" were the 600 people that were here pre-November 2016, on their fresh server.  10% of which they just deleted everything from - Valkyrie toons (I had one myself)

Nost was shopping for a suitor for the community and database to be handed to.   Nost didn't have to go with Elysium, as other projects were open to taking on the community as well.

Elysium accepted the responsibility of taking on the community, got free Hype Train tickets because of it, and then broke up the community.

You are not here because Elysium's fresh server is OMG best ever, they had a fresh server soon after Nost was shut down, where was everybody then?  You play on Elysium because Elysium took on the data base and source code.  They didn't have to, 3 other suitors were willing to do the same thing, and you would then have followed the hype train there.

[Ickus 40]

18 hours ago, Banezilla said:

They could have not opened a wildly popular server and catered to entitled refugees of a dead server. I don't think they're morons for giving their customers what they want.

You think you do but you don't!

You sound like a moron. Elysium wouldn't be worth a shit without Nost. Elysium would still be a dirt server with 400 players. 

[Forest_ 40]

18 hours ago, Banezilla said:

They could have not opened a wildly popular server and catered to entitled refugees of a dead server. I don't think they're morons for giving their customers what they want.

You think you do but you don't!

I've seen you around enough to know that you think Elysium is the best server ever and got there on its own, and that Anathema players probably helped Hitler during WWII.

Look at what this split server thing is doing to us. Even within the SAME VANILLA PROJECT we're cutting each other down to shill for the server we play on. It would have made much more sense to give people the option to level from 1 on a server on the same patch, removing any sort of differences from the server other than 'racing' to 60 if that's what you were into (and plenty of people would've been fine with that).

Elysium-Project would not even exist today if Nost players hadn't literally been so dedicated as to force Blizzard to invite the team to their offices and have a multiple day discussion about legacy servers. Nost picked Elysium to take over their legacy, OUR legacy. But the Elysium team was just not ready for this and made very very poor decisions early on (Opening a fresh server draining new life from the original Nost servers, lashing out at it's whiny player base, creating a War Effort that made half the server believe it would never finish, etc). If the team could go back in time they would probably open a new server but have it be patched on the same timeline as Nostalrius.

Without Nostalrius (now known as Anathema) they wouldn't even have 500 pop on an Elysium server.

We are the reason you exist, we deserve a complete Vanilla experience with our characters.

If you love fresh servers so much quit your character on Elysium the second a new server pops up. That seems to be what you're best at.

And if you don't think you'd want to do this, are you saying that you have attachment to your character that you spent so much time on and would hate to lose them? Hmm.. sounds very familiar to what Anathema players have been saying for the past 9 months. I wonder if we were justified in our anger all along (spoilers, we were).

[FEYAARES 3]

@Ickus @Forest_ To your last post : true and true. 
The goal of Nostalrius was to find a way, for legacy player, to play this wonderful version of WoW doesn't matter if it was hosted by them or another one (they try with the amazing support of Legacy community and not only the one of World of Warcraft to convince Blizzard to open these servers we was waiting for).
Elysium just take an opportunity, a really good opportunity, to became the leader of Vanilla Pserv.

I was really like "Elysium is the savior of Vanilla WoW, the savior of Nostalrius...etc" but with a realistic point of view : nope. 

The reality is this one : they don't care about Nostalrius Players, they don't care about Anathema and Daro players and it will not change.
Only things who can save these two servers is the announcement of TBC  (from Gummy maybe or Idk).
But result will be the same at the end. They will take an opportunity, people will saw them (as I was sawing them) like the Legacy Savior, like the Hero they aren't. 

[Morathe 5]

20 hours ago, Banezilla said:

They could have not opened a wildly popular server and catered to entitled refugees of a dead server. I don't think they're morons for giving their customers what they want.

You think you do but you don't!

Before inheriting Nostalrius re-launch hype and before being backed up by "entitled refugees" they were the non-existant brand fighting for their lives for years. Shit dude don't cite what you don't understand. 

[jmul1212 7]

If you want to raid, its pretty easy to raid on Anathema.  If you want to pvp, well.... thats another story!

[Hudson 16]

Considering that the majority of the staff's personal mains are on Anathema and Darrowshire, it's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them.

[Banezilla 2]

I started a new character on Nost, Elysium, and Anathema on release day. I remember seeing 10k+ players online on Nost near the end. Why are these players not active on Anathema right now? You know the story as well as I do.

Well Nost was shutdown by the French cucks as a publicity stunt and to get trips to Blizzard HQ. There was no reason to not reopen Nost, isn't Elysium hosted at the same datacenter or country as the old Nost servers? Nost staff got what they wanted and moved on.

It's obvious that most of these Nost players have moved on and the current community wanted a fresh server. There's nothing preventing people from rolling on Anathema.

[Forest_ 40]

53 minutes ago, Hudson said:

Considering that the majority of the staff's personal mains are on Anathema and Darrowshire, it's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them.

I'm sorry that some of the posts in here have gotten so out of touch with reality that you felt compelled to say something.

 

23 minutes ago, Banezilla said:

I started a new character on Nost, Elysium, and Anathema on release day. I remember seeing 10k+ players online on Nost near the end. Why are these players not active on Anathema right now? You know the story as well as I do.

Well Nost was shutdown by the French cucks as a publicity stunt and to get trips to Blizzard HQ. There was no reason to not reopen Nost, isn't Elysium hosted at the same datacenter or country as the old Nost servers? Nost staff got what they wanted and moved on.

It's obvious that most of these Nost players have moved on and the current community wanted a fresh server. There's nothing preventing people from rolling on Anathema.

This is just completely missing the mentality that people have with private servers. The second a new server pops up and the herd thinks it will kill the last server, everyone jumps ship to the new server because they're afraid the old server will die... when if they would've just stayed put everything would've been fine.

Fresh servers are a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. Everyone thinks fresh servers succeed because everyone wants to level over, and over, and over, and over again. When that isn't the case at all. People leave servers because they think other people leave servers, because THEY think other people leave servers, because THEYY think other people leave servers. Do you see where this is heading? It's a viscous cycle.

Fresh servers aren't inherently better than servers midway through progress that you have plenty of time to catch up to (READ: Anathema was on BWL for 5 months in Elysium's hands, missing 2 of the biggest instances in the game. Still very 'fresh').

Everyone has just seen the herd jump ship time and time again that people think their server is fucked so they follow suit. People just act like sheep unfortunately when it comes to fresh servers.

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Clearly some sort of TBC server involving Crogge's "Legacy Crusade" is in the pipeline to be hooked up to Elysium-Project's network. On top of that if an Admin is smart enough to say something, even if it isn't coming out for a while, would breath life back into Anathema and Darrowshire.

We just need some sort of official statement saying that Anathema/Darrowshire will be the first servers to have transfers opened to TBC since they'll be the first to complete Naxx. Or just let everyone transfer at the same time, who knows.

Or just make Anathema the TBC server, I think that would work almost better. Then let Elysium guys transfer once they hit AQ or Naxx, something like that.

In the end there needs to be some sort of word on TBC and the merge that will EVENTUALLY take place (even if its in a year) between Anathema and Elysium.

[Banezilla 2]

14 minutes ago, Forest_ said:

This is just completely missing the mentality that people have with private servers. The second a new server pops up and the herd thinks it will kill the last server, everyone jumps ship to the new server because they're afraid the old server will die... when if they would've just stayed put everything would've been fine.

Elysium staff should have released all of the servers at the same time. You know very well why they released Anathema before Elysium. They really dropped the ball with the release of their servers.

[Ickus 40]

1 hour ago, Hudson said:

Considering that the majority of the staff's personal mains are on Anathema and Darrowshire, it's a little asinine to say that we don't care about them.

Well here's your solution. Instead of teasing tbc... transform anathema into a tbc server after naxx and announcing it sooner than later would allow all the whiny fresh start kids to lvl up, get some gear and continue on to tbc. 

[Shiamorah 20]

9 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Well here's your solution. Instead of teasing tbc... transform anathema into a tbc server after naxx and announcing it sooner than later would allow all the whiny fresh start kids to lvl up, get some gear and continue on to tbc. 

How does this help darrowshire? Or are you just being biased, seeing that you are an Anathema player who has criticized pretty much every decision staff has made for the past 4 months?

[Forest_ 40]

16 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

How does this help darrowshire? Or are you just being biased, seeing that you are an Anathema player who has criticized pretty much every decision staff has made for the past 4 months?

Darrowshire could just go directly to TBC with Anathema as soon as it launched. Easy solution for both servers at this point. There won't be a PvE TBC server.. I very much doubt it.

[Morathe 5]

1 hour ago, Forest_ said:

Fresh servers are a self-fulfilling prophecy at this point. Everyone thinks fresh servers succeed because everyone wants to level over, and over, and over, and over again. When that isn't the case at all. People leave servers because they think other people leave servers, because THEY think other people leave servers, because THEYY think other people leave servers. Do you see where this is heading? It's a viscous cycle.

Nah man there isn't enough examples to say that this is all there is to the problem. I think majority of the people looked at what happened to Kronos and made decision based on that. I mean you can't really blame them cause we're talking about tens or hundreds days played invested into a char. 

[Morathe 5]

1 hour ago, Banezilla said:

Elysium staff should have released all of the servers at the same time. You know very well why they released Anathema before Elysium. They really dropped the ball with the release of their servers.

Because at that time they still had obligation to Nost staff? If they didn't open Anathema first then its population would boycott the shit out of them in no time. 

[Morathe 5]

58 minutes ago, Ickus said:

Well here's your solution. Instead of teasing tbc... transform anathema into a tbc server after naxx and announcing it sooner than later would allow all the whiny fresh start kids to lvl up, get some gear and continue on to tbc. 

Yea... no that won't happen. Imagine some people rolled on vanilla server because they actually don't like further expansions. TBC is pretty much a raidloggers expansion + some arenas but whatever. There is no world pvp, no bg system to promote organized pvp there, just arenas. But thats even beside the point because its personal pref. Fact worth mentioning is that so many TBC across last 2 years died before they reached even 30% of their timeline that Its hard for me to believe anyone would consider Anathema going TBC any selling factor. TBC atm is like at the bottom of confidence level for potential fresh people.