Playing tank/healer while leveling?

[Xom 8]

I understand that you can do the job,  but won't be efficient on that position , as spriest id rather take you as DPS or as retri paladin or as feral.

In my runs i want smooth runs like silk and to enjoy on the Spec given .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

 

Perhaps if you're speaking about level 60 dungeons, there might be some challenge and need for efficiency. But while leveling all you need to know is the basics about the game and it's a breeze. There's no need for min/maxing in leveling dungeons.

 

I have leveled numerous Priests as Shadow Spec and would merely Renew and Vampiric Embrace Heal 90% of dungeons, Wanding, SW:P, with a few beefy Heal or GHeals, or an emergency Shield for a clothie AoEing. Just spec for Spirit Tap and know how to use your healing spells and you're golden. Same thing with Warriors. I've leveled more Warriors than any other class (over 5) and every single time I specced Arms/Fury and had a wonderfully easy time. Just so long as you keep your gear upgraded and you know your class you'll have zero problems. And since you are always desired as someone who is willing to Tank, you will have a blazingly easy time of gearing up during those leveling dungeons. You have the ability to make your own groups and pick the exact composition, meaning you can set it up so you have no gear competition in your dungeon run either. Wait for a dungeon? Never. As someone who is willing to Tank or Heal but can also DPS on the side, Vanilla is your oyster.

 

Truly, one strength in Tanking and Healing classes is in their ability to fill those roles while also being specced differently. We are all so aware of the way to play the game in 2016 that dungeons are much faster, things die in a snap, and people make less mistakes. This makes tanking/healing miles easier. Even back in retail Vanilla it was well known that there was no need to level a Priest as anything other than Shadow. Only once you get into Blackrock Mountain and 60 dungeons does a respec make sense. Efficiency is easy to compensate for with skill and knowledge, and the vast majority of Nost population have more than a passing understanding of the game. 

Edited November 25, 2016 by Xom

[Banezilla 2]

Spec for leveling until 60. Then spec for the role that you will play at 60. You can always play an offspec at 60, having lot's of gear for the offspec helps a ton!

[Pottu 290]

 

 

P.S. To the NostEly team - Do not nerf respec fee. Like ever cos that should keep of newbs from the server.

Don't worry, that is never going to change.

[vanillalord 0]

I understand that you can do the job,  but won't be efficient on that position , as spriest id rather take you as DPS or as retri paladin or as feral.

In my runs i want smooth runs like silk and to enjoy on the Spec given .

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

"efficient" -> plays protection paladin. on a sidenote, what the вау is that "/kind regards" фекал? how old are you buddy?

[Ellipsea 36]

Really, it always comes down to the same thing- do what makes you happy.  I've leveled two priests on Nost, and I level them as Disc priests. I know everyone says you are supposed to level as Shadow.  Maybe I LIKE wanding the crap out of stuff!   But when I join dungeon groups, I am there as your healer and that's what I'm a gonna do.  I'm gonna heal the crap out of you, and you'll like it.   Plus when I get to 60 I feel eminately qualified, having trudged this distance in my pig-headedness, to be your best healing chum.

[MisterRay 0]

Really, it always comes down to the same thing- do what makes you happy.  I've leveled two priests on Nost, and I level them as Disc priests. I know everyone says you are supposed to level as Shadow.  Maybe I LIKE wanding the crap out of stuff!   But when I join dungeon groups, I am there as your healer and that's what I'm a gonna do.  I'm gonna heal the crap out of you, and you'll like it.   Plus when I get to 60 I feel eminately qualified, having trudged this distance in my pig-headedness, to be your best healing chum.

 

Do you also recommend it to new, fresh Vanilla players like me as well? If we take priest as an example and the best and fastest leveler in the word levels 2 priests, one shadow spec with healing off spec + another priest will full heal spec, how much time difference in leveling would it be?

 

It's difficult to judge it for me as I am really new and it sounds like leveling as a tank or healer since level 1 with full tank/healing gear, seems like a pain in the butt

 

EDIT: Let's just say a priest with full shadow spec.

Edited November 26, 2016 by MisterRay

[Ellipsea 36]

If leveling as quickly as possible is important to you and you want to play priest, ya....you go shadow.

[Undertanker 88]

won't be efficient on that position , as spriest id rather take you as DPS or as retri paladin or as feral.

 

Probably the most hypocritical statement you could have made.   If everybody took the same approach to you, you would be only raiding as AoE tank spec with the important healing talents and that would be the extend of "the dream".

 

Back to the OP part of your statement:

 

A non properly specced healer or tank may add 10-15 minutes to your run at MOST due to extra drinking between pulls. So if you turn down a leveling spec player and continue to look for a person feeding into their raid spec while leveling, for more than 15 minutes, you are in fact the one that isn't being "efficient".

[killerduki 54]

Probably the most hypocritical statement you could have made.   If everybody took the same approach to you, you would be only raiding as AoE tank spec with the important healing talents and that would be the extend of "the dream".

 

Back to the OP part of your statement:

 

A non properly specced healer or tank may add 10-15 minutes to your run at MOST due to extra drinking between pulls. So if you turn down a leveling spec player and continue to look for a person feeding into their raid spec while leveling, for more than 15 minutes, you are in fact the one that isn't being "efficient".

 

- Honestly i don't deny them because they are Retribution or Spriest , i don't tell them don't dps that because you are not viable , "even if i play as healer" i don't tell them don't tank as Paladin or Druid because you are not viable .

- I don't tell them to "AoE" only because he is "AoE" , i let them free do their job without any barriers.

- My point is : You are DPS spec, then go DPS , you are Prot spec , then go Tank , you are Heal spec , the go Heal.

- Leveling , well not my problem if they focus on that to be honest , if they want fast leveling = Quests is twice faster and efficient than Dungeon runs.

- I do play and enjoy the principals of the Game in a common sense.

- Nobody is denied on anything , just common sense.

 

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Destron 2]

This Duki guy is the player type I strive to avoid.

[fructi 0]

I leveled both as protection warrior and protection paladin. Warrior was a pain if you want to solo as your damage is really low.

As paladin it was loads of fun, as I could mass pull everything and just grinded my way to level 70. I leveled to 60 by solo grinding and then AoEing everything. And 60-70 I grinded in instances as everyone wanted a good tank all the time.

 

To answer your question, it's possible, but its not the fastest way (at least not as warrior, and I am sure you arent talking about a prot pala, as they are фекал in vanilla )

[MisterRay 0]

I leveled both as protection warrior and protection paladin. Warrior was a pain if you want to solo as your damage is really low.

As paladin it was loads of fun, as I could mass pull everything and just grinded my way to level 70. I leveled to 60 by solo grinding and then AoEing everything. And 60-70 I grinded in instances as everyone wanted a good tank all the time.

 

To answer your question, it's possible, but its not the fastest way (at least not as warrior, and I am sure you arent talking about a prot pala, as they are фекал in vanilla )

 

Thanks for the insight on this. Since I want to roll a resto shaman and prot warrior, I am mainly not sure how it is to level a shaman when speccing into the healing tree since the start. But now I know that prot warrior is a pain to level, as you mentioned. Thanks for this

[gotmilk0112 10]

I understand that you can do the job,  but won't be efficient on that position

 

 

Honestly , in my runs = kick if you don't heal as Healing Spec or if you don't tank as Tank Spec .

 

This is fking rich, coming from the guy who insists that prot paladins should be MTs.

 

No, you do not need to be in a proper spec to tank or heal leveling dungeons. I've healed every dungeon up to BRD as Shadow and had absolutely no problems. I've also tanked and healed every dungeon up to that level as a Ret paladin, and also had no problems.

 

As a tank you just need a shield and your tanking stance (def stance, righteous fury, bear form), and as a healer you just need plenty of int gear. You don't need to be in the proper spec.

Edited November 27, 2016 by gotmilk0112

[fructi 0]

Thanks for the insight on this. Since I want to roll a resto shaman and prot warrior, I am mainly not sure how it is to level a shaman when speccing into the healing tree since the start. But now I know that prot warrior is a pain to level, as you mentioned. Thanks for this

Yeah prot warrior is not recommended as a leveling spec, haha!

 

But you will be able to tank without a problem if you are arms or fury specced but have the right gear (meaning a proper 1H + shield and other items that are heavy on stamina, rather than strength, AP, crit, whatever).

 

Then you can always make the switch to protection when you are level 50 and level the remaining levels in instances getting all your BiS pre-raid gear

[MisterRay 0]

Yeah prot warrior is not recommended as a leveling spec, haha!

 

But you will be able to tank without a problem if you are arms or fury specced but have the right gear (meaning a proper 1H + shield and other items that are heavy on stamina, rather than strength, AP, crit, whatever).

 

Then you can always make the switch to protection when you are level 50 and level the remaining levels in instances getting all your BiS pre-raid gear

 

Sounds great! Some other people here mention that as well by bringing the right gear is enough/can be enough to level AND to do dungeons in the role that you want to go. Thank you, fructi

Edited November 27, 2016 by MisterRay

[szuszak 2]

This Duki guy is the player type I strive to avoid.

 

yep avoid the douches

sounds to me like the type of kiddies you run into dungeons in legion that throw a fit when tank waits for healer to top of mana or when you fall 10 seconds under his previous group in mythic dungeon

or the type of person in dota that is 2/8 but will constantly  tell other players on the team how they are doing it all wrong

in short

вау that guy lol

to all you other ppl c u in game tanking in my arms spec

Edited November 27, 2016 by szuszak

[Undertanker 88]

Nice pitch at the end.

[Zarant 2]

I leveled my warrior as dps spec, I always tanked 5 mans and for the most part, I had no reason to use shield. Any mail/plate wearer not fighting mobs several levels above, won't take any damage that a shadow priest cannot heal.

Even at 60, after a certain gear threshold, a healer rarely goes oom, so I had more success tanking as a fury warrior with pvp gear than as a protection warrior, in the sense that my damage output and my threat were so high, that I could just blast through dungeons. Hell, I even did some smooth baron 45 runs with a resto druid tanking in bear form.

[MisterRay 0]

I leveled my warrior as dps spec, I always tanked 5 mans and for the most part, I had no reason to use shield. Any mail/plate wearer not fighting mobs several levels above, won't take any damage that a shadow priest cannot heal.

Even at 60, after a certain gear threshold, a healer rarely goes oom, so I had more success tanking as a fury warrior with pvp gear than as a protection warrior, in the sense that my damage output and my threat were so high, that I could just blast through dungeons. Hell, I even did some smooth baron 45 runs with a resto druid tanking in bear form.

 

Hahah that sounds amazing. Thank you for this - I am starting to gather more and more great information on Vanilla and how to level

[Undertanker 88]

I had no reason to use shield.

SMH, was waiting for this, always one person to do this bullshit.

Leave a group if somebody is doing this. Their damage reduction from armor increases by over 25% more even with a shotty green shield on.

A tanks job is to hold threat AND reduce incoming damage taken.

If a healer has plenty on mans, they can opt to dps SOME and will more than cover any extra "damage" your autos would have done with a 2h weapon over a 1h weapon. You will be spamming sunder armor and revenge, so a 2h ,doesn't help but with a little bit more rage rage, but your uptime on revenge will be out the window because you can't shield block.

Perhaps he thought the post was "how to get on people's ignore list.

The only time it is regularly helpful to swap to a 2h mid combat is if the only things alive are magic damage mobs ONLY, any other time you took more damage than you should have which is only used for an opening to a pull for some AoE pulls and are considered advanced tactics.

Edit:

>>>>> tanks with proper gear on, 45 min baron runs with 20 minutes left on the timer.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Undertanker

[Undertanker 88]

Also get used to equipping the sword and board on the fly while soloing for shield bash "interrupting spell casters, and then swapping back to your 2h right after.

[Shaylin 6]

Also get used to equipping the sword and board on the fly while soloing for shield bash "interrupting spell casters, and then swapping back to your 2h right after.

Totally forgot about that. I need to set up a macro to do that. Would need tac mastery to have enough rage to do that though.

[Undertanker 88]

No, this is primary pre level 30. You will be in battle stance while leveling, no tact mastery needed. Just the ability learned from trainer.

Pummel you Will get at 36 or something (just off top of my head).

[Xykaru 1]

Just go full DPS spec for leveling. You will easily be able to heal as shadow in dungeons up until 57-60.  Just make sure you collect a set of healing gear for when you run dungeons (int/spirit/healing). There's really no reason to level as a healing spec. Once you are running Scholo etc.., you'll want to respec since you'll be running these dungeons a LOT.

 

  Example: I leveled as feral spec on my druid. I could easily swap into my healing gear and heal dungeons no problem, while feral spec. Once you get into 57-60 dungeons, though, you're going to want to respec to healing.

[Crowley 8]

I've always gone the "all or nothing" route. I know it's not the most "efficient" way to level in this game, but more than anything in this game I've always loved the bond or identity that I feel with my toon. That being said I always gravitated towards healing, in Nos I leveled both a Resto Druid and a Holy Priest from start to finish. I always found that juggling specs and gear made my character and experience feel more shallow, I understand this is personal opinion. There is more than one way to play this game, there is nothing wrong with your journey being strictly tank or heals all the way through. I think it shows dedication to the role that even when it's an uphill battle you are still sticking to it.

I'm debating on Lock, Druid and Priest, but if I end up with the latter two I will be going heal spec from level 1-60.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Crowley