Proposal to alter Druids' itemization a bit.

[Zak Preston 5]

Feral druids on Elysium and ZK have a serious problem with itemization:

1. Our T1\T2 sets are designed for healers\casters.

2. The choice of offset items is extremely limited, so most BiS items for now are rares and this won't change until AV/ZG patch. But most of more or less decent gear come out in AQ20/AQ40 which is year away from now on.

3. As you can check our BiS item list, one of the best choices for F-Druid is r12-r13 set, which still has a weird mix of stats on it (spell crit, AP, spirit, +heal).

 

The proposal is simple: allow Druids to use Rogue T1/T2 and PvP items. While it seems to be non-blizzlike, in TBC the itemization issues for Ferals has been resolved in similar manner: PvP offset pieces like wrists, jewelry, belts and so on were shared among Druids and Rogues.

[Mimma 10]

How about No?

As you say yourself: it is not blizzlike.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Mimma

[Zak Preston 5]

Your opinion is very important to us (c)

(except it's not)

[Fladrif 14]

Druid is supposed to be played as a hybrid class independently from the spec.

Druid isn't a rogue.

[Zak Preston 5]

4 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Druid is supposed to be played as a hybrid class independently from the spec.

Druid isn't a rogue.

Sure, I'm playing as a rogue\warrior MELEE hybrid, so I need strength, agility and stamina, not spirit, spellhit and +healing.

[Undertanker 88]

16 hours ago, Zak Preston said:

But most of more or less decent gear come out in AQ20/AQ40 which is year away from now on.

You chose to play on a server with MC for 7 months.

[Lorilay 12]

Custom content is 100% not going to happen. Read the sticky in this forum.

[Roxanne Flowers 15]

Clues are not for everyone.

And some of us have more than our fair share ...

[Fladrif 14]

8 hours ago, Zak Preston said:

Sure, I'm playing as a rogue\warrior MELEE hybrid, so I need strength, agility and stamina, not spirit, spellhit and +healing.

Stamina is good for every class.

There's no rogue/warrior melee hybrid: druid is a natural off-healer because of Hots spells. Druid is a caster and he needs mana for multiple Shapeshifts.

STRE/AGI --》 rogue's stuff

INT/AGI --》hunter's stuff 

STRE/INT --》 druid's stuff

If you collect rogue gear, you end up having a shitty mana pool. 

Feral talent "hearts of the wild" buff sta, int and strength ( STRE specifically buffed only in cat form).  Guess why you don't get AGI there.

If you roll a druid to play like a rogue,  why don't roll a real rogue who happens to be stronger? 

Do you want to be the superclass who can always find a role in any group?

Druid healer with feral talent is sick and druid tank is a natural off-tank.

Druid was designed to be off-healer with Hots spells, an off-tank to make it easier for the priest to heal. And a decent dps in cat form.

Why t1 and t2 are caster gear? Because Blizzard created them out of players' requests, players that  never really tried to play hybridly ... and because when you're done with most of the PvE content, balance SPEC is just stronger in PVP.

 

Edited April 3, 2017 by Fladrif

[Fladrif 14]

Edited

Edited April 3, 2017 by Fladrif
Double post

[Storfan 24]

On 2017-04-02 at 11:57 AM, Zak Preston said:

Your opinion is very important to us (c)

(except it's not)

It's not when it's a stupid opinion:D

[Darksyn 0]

Would it be fair for raiding? Probably. PvP? No way!

You're better off trying to make the elysium staff make int increase cat damage, otherwise you're promising cats all rogue gear from later raids like naxx and i highly doubt they wouldn't be significantly overpowered.

There's no good way to fix this without major changes... and yeah, people don't want vanilla changed. sorry.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Darksyn

[smokeit 26]

On 2-4-2017 at 11:47 AM, Zak Preston said:

The proposal is simple: allow Druids to use Rogue T1/T2 and PvP items. While it seems to be non-blizzlike, in TBC the itemization issues for Ferals has been resolved in similar manner: PvP offset pieces like wrists, jewelry, belts and so on were shared among Druids and Rogues.

Okay, only if you give us rogues shapeshifting abilities

[Zak Preston 5]

8 hours ago, Fladrif said:

Stamina is good for every class.

There's no rogue/warrior melee hybrid: druid is a natural off-healer because of Hots spells. Druid is a caster and he needs mana for multiple Shapeshifts.

STRE/AGI --》 rogue's stuff

INT/AGI --》hunter's stuff 

STRE/INT --》 druid's stuff

If you collect rogue gear, you end up having a shitty mana pool. 

Feral talent "hearts of the wild" buff sta, int and strength ( STRE specifically buffed only in cat form).  Guess why you don't get AGI there.

If you roll a druid to play like a rogue,  why don't roll a real rogue who happens to be stronger? 

Do you want to be the superclass who can always find a role in any group?

Druid healer with feral talent is sick and druid tank is a natural off-tank.

Druid was designed to be off-healer with Hots spells, an off-tank to make it easier for the priest to heal. And a decent dps in cat form.

Why t1 and t2 are caster gear? Because Blizzard created them out of players' requests, players that  never really tried to play hybridly ... and because when you're done with most of the PvE content, balance SPEC is just stronger in PVP.

 

Druid was designed to be a jack-of-all trades, but with fixed ilvl stats budget it means that any a feral in "pure druid gear" is gimped to be a terrible tank\mdps and the worst healer of all available. Obviously your approach didn't work in Vanilla, so in TBC every spec got it own PvP and PvE set. Moreover, in TBC Rogues and Druids shared offset pieces like wrists, jewelry and trinkets. 

11 hours ago, Lorilay said:

Custom content is 100% not going to happen. Read the sticky in this forum.

It has already happened with lots of spells\abilities not working as intended, with customized gear stats, nerfed goldfarming spots, and so on.

3 hours ago, Darksyn said:

Would it be fair for raiding? Probably. PvP? No way!

You're better off trying to make the elysium staff make int increase cat damage, otherwise you're promising cats all rogue gear from later raids like naxx and i highly doubt they wouldn't be significantly overpowered.

There's no good way to fix this without major changes... and yeah, people don't want vanilla changed. sorry.

Not a single sane RL will give a cat Shadowcraft Nightslayer piece instead of rogue. Rogues scale with gear so much better because they don't have fixed attack speed and base damage. BTW, this was first fixed in Naxx patch with Atiesh giving Feral Attack Power (FAP) and has been widely improved in Cata when FAP has become a hidden value and scaled with rough DPS.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Zak Preston

[Lorilay 12]

No gear has custom non-blizzlike stats. This won't happen.

Also, you don't get shadowcraft in raids so it's easy to get as a cat. There's plenty of raid level gear that's great for cat DPS. The real limitation on its DPS is mechanical, not gear based.

Shadowcraft isn't even very good for cats. Refer to the gear thread on the druid forums for much better alternatives.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Lorilay

[Undertanker 88]

On 4/3/2017 at 9:10 AM, Zak Preston said:

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Not a single sane RL will give a cat Shadowcraft Nightslayer piece instead of rogue. Rogues scale with gear so much better because...

Because they are the only class that can equip it?

Edit this a 3rd time please.

Also, Feral Diversity kicks ass.   Allows us to roll 1 healer less, 1 tank less without missing a beat.

Similar to how healers have a +heal set, +mp5 set, tanks have max Stam/mitigation set, FR set, TPS set, nightfall set, a feral brings different sets too.

Bear max Stam set. Bear TPS (+hit tank) set, FR tank set, bear max avoidance/stam set.

They will also bring a cat dps set for when not tanking or support.

They bring a mp/5 set, as they are asked to be a decurse bot when needed, freeing up a mage to do more damage, or a healer to do more heals. (ie, Luci)

They also bring a +healing set on fights that don't need 3 tanks, but are heal intensive or melee just take a lot of damage (ie Shazz).

Are you aware that a proper geared mage/Warlock only uses 0-1 piece of Tier 2 in there best itemization?

Once more, you purposely picked a realm furthest away from content that provides best optimization.  Live with it.  Until then, enjoy MC.

[Mahtan 15]

On 3.4.2017 at 4:13 PM, Lorilay said:

Shadowcraft isn't even very good for cats. Refer to the gear thread on the druid forums for much better alternatives.

Shadowcraft is a solid set of gear for a generalist approach. I tanked with that set any dungeon and even MC and the setbonus is an enjoyable element in cat dps rotation. The shitload of spirit is nice for farming. Of course, if you want to min max your druid for one specific role, there are better items for cat/bear/farming.

I count the days until Dungeonset 2 is released :D

[Zak Preston 5]

48 minutes ago, Mahtan said:

Shadowcraft is a solid set of gear for a generalist approach. I tanked with that set any dungeon and even MC and the setbonus is an enjoyable element in cat dps rotation. The shitload of spirit is nice for farming. Of course, if you want to min max your druid for one specific role, there are better items for cat/bear/farming.

I count the days until Dungeonset 2 is released :D

the dungeon set 2 is released in naxx patch, iirc. 

[Mahtan 15]

1 hour ago, Zak Preston said:

the dungeon set 2 is released in naxx patch, iirc. 

nope, the patch between aq and naxx: 1.10

[Zak Preston 5]

So, the problem with retardedly bad itemization for feral druids on Ely\ZK still exists: blue PvP set pieces give all palette of stats like agility, strength, intellect, spirit, spell crit, ap and damage\healing to spells. T1\T2 pieces can also boast some strength and agility while still being designed for casters\healers. AQ patch is too far away, and feral druids are forced to wear blue gear while other classes enjoy their epics.

[judgejewdy 0]

play anaethma if u cant wait years 

[killerduki 54]

On 2.4.2017 at 11:47 AM, Zak Preston said:

 

The proposal is simple: allow Druids to use Rogue T1/T2 and PvP items. While it seems to be non-blizzlike, in TBC the itemization issues for Ferals has been resolved in similar manner: PvP offset pieces like wrists, jewelry, belts and so on were shared among Druids and Rogues.

 

How about Prot Paladins allowed to use Warrior Taunt and Warrior T1/T2/T3 ?

Keep it blizzlike and please stop requesting this sort of suggestions .

What if druids get changed itemization , everyone will request for their stuffs , just no.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Zak Preston 5]

10 hours ago, killerduki said:

How about Prot Paladins allowed to use Warrior Taunt and Warrior T1/T2/T3 ?

Keep it blizzlike and please stop requesting this sort of suggestions .

What if druids get changed itemization , everyone will request for their stuffs , just no.

/Kind regards Killerduki

I'm not talking about skills, i'm talking about the lack of itemization. Both shamans and palas are a completely different case since they use mana as their main resource, while ferals use rage and energy, so intellect and spirit is above useless. Also you cant complain about the lack of itemization for both: there are so many good crafted items and for both, while the only epic Feral can get is Breastplate of Bloodthirst from the quest and a couple of crafted tanking items wit fire resist and poor stats.

As I stated before, in TBC both rogues and druids got access to the same accessories from PvP vendor at least. It really hurts to lag in gear quality only because there are no items for ferals and I'm forced to wear rares from dungeons => no guild will want an undergeared bear tank or offtank instead of better equipped warrior.

[Roxy 8]

3 hours ago, Zak Preston said:

I'm not talking about skills, i'm talking about the lack of itemization. Both shamans and palas are a completely different case since they use mana as their main resource, while ferals use rage and energy, so intellect and spirit is above useless. Also you cant complain about the lack of itemization for both: there are so many good crafted items and for both, while the only epic Feral can get is Breastplate of Bloodthirst from the quest and a couple of crafted tanking items wit fire resist and poor stats.

As I stated before, in TBC both rogues and druids got access to the same accessories from PvP vendor at least. It really hurts to lag in gear quality only because there are no items for ferals and I'm forced to wear rares from dungeons => no guild will want an undergeared bear tank or offtank instead of better equipped warrior.

It doesnt matter what they did in TBC. this is vanilla, and it is what it is. if you didnt take that into account when you rolled a class thats on you, not the game

[Pottu 290]

Not going to happen.