A Frank Address And Statement on Recent Events and Revelations

[Crowley 8]

I think its funny (but not surprising) that people would choose to continue play on a server where someone in Shenna's position would openly attack a PLAYER on the servers forum, instigating a witchhunt on the player.

The way I see it, Shenna really wishes he was a girl (hence the name, hence the avatar, hence the catty name-dropping on the forum)  Shenna, your parents would be ashamed of your behavior here. We both know you were brought up better than this.

You aren't fit to be admin of your dress collection let alone a server of thousands of people. If you care about the legacy of wow you'll step down before you stain it any more.

[Gehere 8]

THIS POST IS A REFLECTION OF MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS, MY CURIOSITY, AND MY PRESENT FEELINGS ON THIS WHOLE SITUATION.

 

@Alexensual has responded to the witch hunt, created against him, by the Administrator @Shenna on these boards.

It ain't pretty.  He gets a shit-load of negativity thrown at him.   But if you look beyond all the wanna-be posters.  The "go-with-the-flow" people, just posting to sound and be smart, there really are a few things in here, which has to make you wonder.    And should get you thinking about the last 6 weeks.

Alex's post is here:   https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5uuc70/elysium_and_the_whole_lgn_cant_be_trusted/

What I have learned from the past weeks, is something close to ->  Not everything that glitters, is gold.

We all cheered when we came here, late November, last year.   We were given an opportunity, to continue playing, on one of the best private servers, the whole wow-server scene, had seen.

And it began well.   Very well indeed.   Elysium was meant to carry "the torch of legacy", in close cooperation with Nostalrius.   People flocked here.  This they had to experience.  But before things really had a chance to develop - Nostalrius withdrew.    Viper even made an announcement, that under no circumstance, could he associate the Nostalrius name, with what was happening here.

- I sit with a few questions now.     "Did Viper know more than he actually told us?"     Nano left as well - maybe he saw something coming?

Suzerain left, under the pretend of being ill.  Might be true, but are we sure?    Mesh left - the work load was too high?

Down the line, a few very liked faces have disappeared.   Faces, that for some reason, didn't give the impression of "being too ill" or "being too busy", up until some of this shit, didn't hit the toilet.

 

I've been following the progress of Crestfall, for quite some time now.   This server-project (Crestfall) has been pretty quiet, avoiding pretty much any bad publicity.  Until now.    People are now learning, that the Staff on the Crestfall project - are the same people, as are being put on public display here.    On the boards of the Crestfall project, things aren't as bad as here, but it is escalating.    People are starting, to show concern.   To ask questions, that did not exist 3 months ago.

It is a shame really.   Maybe this - Legacy Gaming Network - is killing more, than it actually breeds.

 

THIS POST IS A REFLECTION OF MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS, MY CURIOSITY, AND MY PRESENT FEELINGS ON THIS WHOLE SITUATION.

[Irisai 8]

I just don't care. I'm having fun playing. So I don't care. 

[Wirt 8]

3 hours ago, Gehere said:

Alex's post is here:   https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5uuc70/elysium_and_the_whole_lgn_cant_be_trusted/

What I found interesting from Alexensual's reddit thread is what was said about Whitekidney. Alexensual claims Whitekidney has been in the picture all along. Pottu confirmed that Whitekidney works with Elysium and is solely helping them out with "webserver stuff":

On 2017-02-16 at 11:07 PM, Pottu said:

Zzuk and Radeghost are not part of the Elysium team. The Legacy Gaming Network does not mean that the CF and Ely teams are merging. If you have problems with them, take it up with Crestfall. Whitekidney is helping us out with webserver stuff, nothing more. He has no in-game role whatsoever.

If Whitekidney's role is of as low importance as Pottu makes it sound then why bother having to do with such a nasty figure to begin with? He's a long-standing member, with over 1,000 posts, of Ownedcore, a community of cheaters. From his activity there we know he's been selling gold and powerleveling and releasing hacking and botting tools such as an anti-AFK and a gathering bot. (Goldselling: http://i.imgur.com/fPwUcEH.png, powerleveling: http://i.imgur.com/nbS8lnw.png,anti-AFK bot: http://i.imgur.com/DKlXnal.png, gathering bot: http://i.imgur.com/BI5RaFk.png, trading exploits and confirming a dupe (16 March 2015): http://archive.is/8ASQf)

Ironically, Pottu himself has moderated Whitekidney's posts over at the Nostalrius forums for lying, insulting and spamming (i.imgur.com/NWthntN.png). There's also a thread by Whitekidney at the Nostalrius forums where he explains why he lost the leveling race to 60. He slanders the righftul race winner with utter and complete fabricated lies: http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3122

Additionally Radeghost has been in contact with Whitekidney to alter .mpq files in 2015: http://imgur.com/qhtLnRb

With all this into account Whitekidney should be unqualified a thousandfold. Yet here he is, requested to stay by the Elysium staff, despite revelations:

On 2017-02-17 at 1:21 PM, Shenna said:

Whitekidney also expressed a desire to leave due to the complaints that have been thrown around, but we requested that he stay.

 

4 hours ago, Gehere said:

- I sit with a few questions now.     "Did Viper know more than he actually told us?"     Nano left as well - maybe he saw something coming?

Suzerain left, under the pretend of being ill.  Might be true, but are we sure?    Mesh left - the work load was too high?

Down the line, a few very liked faces have disappeared.   Faces, that for some reason, didn't give the impression of "being too ill" or "being too busy", up until some of this shit, didn't hit the toilet.

It could be that Nostalrius was involved in moneyhoarding donations and, or, selling gold. That would explain why the core staff that revealed themselves in a meeting with Blizzard chose to leave the project. They were pressurized by other staff members, who were still anonymous, to start the project up again within Elysium. First when Elysium was set up and running were they allowed to leave the scenery. Why else would they leave by calling us pirates? They wanted to be forgotten by shifting all focus unto Elysium.

Also, Elysium asking for donations is kind of mind-boggling. Remember when they asked for money on 13 December? The next day they reported they had been donated to probably more than $2,700! (13 December Financial Report: http://i.imgur.com/SspSuDH.png and the update: http://i.imgur.com/VONoK5c.png) Then they reopened donations on 10 January. Despite this they still started crying for money on 1 February. This is the reason why I've been asking them to provide us with evidence on how they're handling donations. As for now I'm fearing what happened with Scapegaming is happening here. It turned out Scapegaming had hoarded more than $3 million in a PayPal account: http://www.geek.com/games/blizzard-wins-88-million-from-scapegaming-over-illegal-wow-servers-1277800/

[sporkineye 0]

he did a chargeback on donations so fuck that guy, no refunds, he really fucked things up for everyone, for his enjoyment. ban him, you don't need that. and if you find out he has another account ban it too. don't provide services to people who shit on you. 

i'm also reading he collected the donations to donate to you and charged those back to keep them for himself? again, ban him and move on.

plus he's messing with your staff, "doxing" (whatever that is), and "exposing" them? that's crazy ex girlfriend level shit. again, ban him and move on.

 

anyway, you guys are the best, i'm only posting criticism because i assume you want it, since you posted this all in the forums. i'm a huge fan of the project.

[Wirt 8]

2 hours ago, sporkineye said:

he did a chargeback on donations so fuck that guy, no refunds, he really fucked things up for everyone, for his enjoyment. ban him, you don't need that. and if you find out he has another account ban it too. don't provide services to people who shit on you. 

i'm also reading he collected the donations to donate to you and charged those back to keep them for himself? again, ban him and move on.

plus he's messing with your staff, "doxing" (whatever that is), and "exposing" them? that's crazy ex girlfriend level shit. again, ban him and move on.

Suzerain tells us on reddit that Alexensual was banned:

"Lastly, Alexensual. I like Alex as a person. I've had a few conversations with him on Teamspeak and the like, just about everyday things. I understand also why he is upset with the Legacy Network, though I by no means agree with the way he has expressed himself. In the end, the staff has decided to ban him. I originally advocated that they let him remain. However, I think we can all agree that the Legacy Network was far more patient than they needed to be given the circumstances." https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/5v5l9t/last_stop_on_the_drama_train_joining_the_legacy/

Edited February 21, 2017 by Wirt

[Theloras 108]

The drama surrounding Alex aside, I haven't said anything on the forums until tonight but the folks here at Elysium can't expect any of the loyal Paladin theorycrafters, bug reporters and class community liaison people such as myself or Killerduki et al to be giving you guys the big thumbs up for getting into bed with Asura and Drakrasp et al from Crestfall.

I'm not going to litigate the sheer volume of reasons why we have immense reasons to distrust them and their values ad nauseum here, but the fact is that we chose to play here on Elysium and we chose NOT to help Crestfall in any way, shape or form for very good reasons.

On face value, the current situation looks incredibly muddy after what began with such good intentions from Nostalrius.

[Aeglo 1]

Holy. Shit. You are all dumb.

Why is it that even now, after all these years, people continue to give any attention to the standard whine babies that plague the internet?  These fucking twitch memelord degenerates?

You have 20 people tops making a fuss on these forums about the crap a twitch streamer moans about.  How many people is that compared to the active playerbase? It isn't even a drop in the lake.  This entire thread is pointless and any action taken regarding this stupid drama is pointless.

Here is the reality.  Most people don't check these forums.  Most people DO NOT CARE.  Stop reacting to these idiots.  It is so easy for a few people to make a lot of noise but only if you acknowledge them do you make them relevant.

Edited February 21, 2017 by Aeglo

[Sauronn 311]

A bunch of Sherlocks trying to split the community! What's the point of this?  Why can not we just play?

[noob257 36]

3 hours ago, Aeglo said:

Most people don't check these forums.  Most people DO NOT CARE.

And because of that we should tolerate gold sellers and scum like that?

What is your point? That someone is a streamer on Twitch and you don't like Twitch? Me neither.

[Roidrage 0]

8 hours ago, Theloras said:

The drama surrounding Alex aside, I haven't said anything on the forums until tonight but the folks here at Elysium can't expect any of the loyal Paladin theorycrafters, bug reporters and class community liaison people such as myself or Killerduki et al to be giving you guys the big thumbs up for getting into bed with Asura and Drakrasp et al from Crestfall.

I'm not going to litigate the sheer volume of reasons why we have immense reasons to distrust them and their values ad nauseum here, but the fact is that we chose to play here on Elysium and we chose NOT to help Crestfall in any way, shape or form for very good reasons.

On face value, the current situation looks incredibly muddy after what began with such good intentions from Nostalrius.

Instead on insinuating stuff without showing any profe of them being more shady than anyone els in this business. Better speak up what is wrong with them. Bringing Duki as to strengthen your argument against sertain people is not a strong choice do i found him to be pretty problematic and not very openminded.

[Wirt 8]

3 hours ago, Roidrage said:

Instead on insinuating stuff without showing any profe of them being more shady than anyone els in this business. Better speak up what is wrong with them. Bringing Duki as to strengthen your argument against sertain people is not a strong choice do i found him to be pretty problematic and not very openminded.

Did you educate yourself on the bot authors, goldsellers, powerlevelers and he who offered lifting a ban for roughly $70? Otherwise I'll happily compile it all in a post here for you.

[Orocnogu 8]

46 минут назад, Wirt сказал:

Did you educate yourself on the bot authors, goldsellers, powerlevelers and he who offered lifting a ban for roughly $70? Otherwise I'll happily compile it all in a post here for you.

Please do, I personally didn't bother to educate myself, but with your help I very much hope to. A short recap should do< I did read this whole thread and clicked some links attached. 

[Pottu 290]

14 hours ago, Theloras said:

The drama surrounding Alex aside, I haven't said anything on the forums until tonight but the folks here at Elysium can't expect any of the loyal Paladin theorycrafters, bug reporters and class community liaison people such as myself or Killerduki et al to be giving you guys the big thumbs up for getting into bed with Asura and Drakrasp et al from Crestfall.

I'm not going to litigate the sheer volume of reasons why we have immense reasons to distrust them and their values ad nauseum here, but the fact is that we chose to play here on Elysium and we chose NOT to help Crestfall in any way, shape or form for very good reasons.

On face value, the current situation looks incredibly muddy after what began with such good intentions from Nostalrius.

Darkrasp is not involved with Elysium in any manner.

Crogge and Whitekidney are helping out with the webserver and doing some backend work that had been neglected previously.

Asura is helping out the dev team but his main focus obviously is Crestfall.

None of the three that actually are helping us out, get to decide on what features or bugs or anything like that Elysium does - in that aspect, we rely on our QA team, led by Link, whom you might remember as we go way back. Neither do they have any say in GM decisions. Shenna is the main administrator and she has the full support of the rest of the Elysium team behind her. I understand that there is some bad blood between you and killerduki on one hand, and some CF staffers on the other, but rest assured that such things will not be carried over here.

[P. Runkel 0]

Thank you for this transparency!  In the future, I hope to contribute to the project in a meaningful and positive way, since my goals align with those of the project.

[Roidrage 0]

2 hours ago, Wirt said:

Did you educate yourself on the bot authors, goldsellers, powerlevelers and he who offered lifting a ban for roughly $70? Otherwise I'll happily compile it all in a post here for you.

Did you educate your self in source criticism?

[metagame 8]

TL;DR some people secretly abused their position of power for personal gain. Action taken to remove bad actors post-discovery. News at 11.

Transparency is a good thing. Unless you prefer to deceive yourself into thinking a team of people is going to be 100% legitimate and ethical at all times, this should not be a surprise to anyone.

[Roidrage 0]

16 hours ago, Theloras said:

The drama surrounding Alex aside, I haven't said anything on the forums until tonight but the folks here at Elysium can't expect any of the loyal Paladin theorycrafters, bug reporters and class community liaison people such as myself or Killerduki et al to be giving you guys the big thumbs up for getting into bed with Asura and Drakrasp et al from Crestfall.

I'm not going to litigate the sheer volume of reasons why we have immense reasons to distrust them and their values ad nauseum here, but the fact is that we chose to play here on Elysium and we chose NOT to help Crestfall in any way, shape or form for very good reasons.

On face value, the current situation looks incredibly muddy after what began with such good intentions from Nostalrius.

Yes you bet on the best horse there. Stay here pls

4 hours ago, Wirt said:

Did you educate yourself on the bot authors, goldsellers, powerlevelers and he who offered lifting a ban for roughly $70? Otherwise I'll happily compile it all in a post here for you.

Yes now with cards on the board. Did i need education? 

 

GG Viatly... 

[rajinsu 8]

so the one thing id like to know now that crestfall has jumped ship  and if im thinking right it was one of them that was working on aq where does that leave ely at with geting it out.Where does the server stand on staying up .Lots of shit flying  around right now .starting to look like dooms day is coming.

Hope the server can make its way back in to the light and move on to something better. only time will tell i guess

love the server but shit is looking bad with all the leaked chats  and other things

[Roidrage 0]

1 minute ago, rajinsu said:

so the one thing id like to know now that crestfall has jumped ship  and if im thinking right it was one of them that was working on aq where does that leave ely at with geting it out.Where does the server stand on staying up .Lots of shit flying  around right now .starting to look like dooms day is coming.

Hope the server can make its way back in to the light and move on to something better. only time will tell i guess

love the server but shit is looking bad with all the leaked chats  and other things

I hope the server stays up for the players sake. But the fact of the mather is vitaly, i dont say more than that. Don't want to throw more shit. 

[Tanked 2]

All I saw here was a wall of text about some drama and then 10 pages of drama to follow.

All I can say is Elysium staff keep up the good work and I love playing on this server. Whatever all of this was about I could care less as long as I get to play :)

[Roidrage 0]

1 minute ago, Tanked said:

All I saw here was a wall of text about some drama and then 10 pages of drama to follow.

All I can say is Elysium staff keep up the good work and I love playing on this server. Whatever all of this was about I could care less as long as I get to play :)

Try read on reddit.

[TheDruidCode 28]

2 minutes ago, Tanked said:

All I saw here was a wall of text about some drama and then 10 pages of drama to follow.

All I can say is Elysium staff keep up the good work and I love playing on this server. Whatever all of this was about I could care less as long as I get to play :)

There's new drama! Even more drama! Juicy juicy drama. 

[Tanked 2]

1 minute ago, Roidrage said:

Try read on reddit.

The thing is, it sounds like a staff member having to explain alot of drama and then lots of drama to follow. I don't want to read it or I would have lol. I trust the staff will do whatever and I trust that I will keep playing vanilla wow. :)

[Wirt 8]

4 hours ago, Orocnogu said:

Please do, I personally didn't bother to educate myself, but with your help I very much hope to. A short recap should do< I did read this whole thread and clicked some links attached. 

 

29 minutes ago, Roidrage said:

Yes now with cards on the board. Did i need education?

Of those I mentioned the ones directly involved with Elysium are Whitekidney and Vitaliy. Whitekidney has been a diligent member of Ownedcore, selling powerleveling and gold through the years. In 2015 he was also trading exploits and working on selling gold at Nostalrius. There are links confirming all of this in a post by me at page 9 of this thread. Vitaliy lifting bans for money was confirmed today: https://www.reddit.com/r/ElysiumProject/comments/5vdmlu/regarding_vitaliy_pastebin_and_the_lgn/

The others are Zzuk and Rhadeghost. Zzuk was part of the Legacy Gaming Network and is the author of probably the most prominent vanilla bot. Rhadeghost was a staff member over at Crestfall, and like Whitekidney, has been selling gold, powerleveling, etc at Ownedcore. As you can see Rhadeghost has a thread from 8 January where he offers powerleveling at Elysium PvP: http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/search.php?searchid=705904