Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Fladrif said: Then, it seems that we can't solve the problem in-game. None was able to do so, and GMs keep repeating "player's problem, player's solution"... but un'Goro mafia always win because they exploit the game mechanic that makes same-faction friendly-targets. None EVER saw a player's solution. Consequence is that there's no such a thing. Potentially, we could counter goldseller by not buying gold... wouldn't be that a player's solution? Why it doesn't work? In the case of devilsaur's monopoly which hides a gold-market that cannot be spotted because the currency doesn't come from botting, even a GM solution would require an effort. Either you remove the exploited mechanic... or GMs should be available to respond to and to investigate the single cases of those who denounce the abuse. I find it pretty offending that you assume Un'Goro people sell gold just because they have lots of it. I myself earned quite a bit there and NEVER sold a penny. I'm sitting at 2600 gold and I'll spend most of it during first few weeks of AQ (flasks alone with soak 1700gold). People make up your mind already... are you angry because we make a lot of gold or are you angry because we break your Roleplaying experience by "communicating with the opposing faction" (aka exploit derp). Or you actually have proof of gold selling. Ofc I'm talking for myself, I can't take responsibility for all people that had access to farming ungoro, maybe some of them indeed sold their gold before quiting the game but that doesn't make the way to make gold against rules. Its like you said EVERY way to make gold should not be allowed cause you could possibly sell that gold right? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, BogyOne said: Topic is alive and maybe some good will come of it thanks to that. I'm glad to see that you call the thing for what it is - cartel. I have to admit that I haven't thought about offline implications of that but you're 100% right here. Creating bottlenecks and ridiculous prices was what was keeping the gold trading in WoW early days going as well. Flood of insults you get shows that you hit the soft spot here, trying to bully you into submission is as childish as it is effective so keep it up. Goal here is for server owners to evaluate the situation and make a stand - either tolerate this organized action or adapt TOU appropriately. Server owners evaluated this thing ten times over and came up with same logical solution. If they listened to whiners and people that keep bitching 24/7 they'd be same as Blizzard and turn server into auto-pilot experience. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duality 4 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 On a brighter note: All the low levels are currently safe from dangerous dinosaurs who used to roam the area freely! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sojs1 1 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 Let's not forget the original change that allowed this to be possible Nost changed how skinning works making it unblizzlike which created this problem in the first place During the first 3-4 months of nost it didn't matter who killed the devilsaur there was no grace period where it was only skinnable by the players who killed it. People cried about having skins ninjaed and forced an unblizzlike change which caused this autism monopoly to start in the first place. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justme 9 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 5 hours ago, sojs1 said: Let's not forget the original change that allowed this to be possible Nost changed how skinning works making it unblizzlike which created this problem in the first place During the first 3-4 months of nost it didn't matter who killed the devilsaur there was no grace period where it was only skinnable by the players who killed it. People cried about having skins ninjaed and forced an unblizzlike change which caused this autism monopoly to start in the first place. that scenario is even worse 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haestingas 30 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 Are seriously crying that you can't ninja skins? Perfect example of how bad you guys are. Pathetic 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sojs1 1 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, Haestingas said: Are seriously crying that you can't ninja skins? Perfect example of how bad you guys are. Pathetic I haven't farmed devilsaurs since they stopped ninja skinning if shit players want to form alliances go for it I'm not a big enough shitter to request aid and make teams on opposing factions over small amounts of gold It's far less money then farming herbs unless you control all 4 spawns solo anyways 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, sojs1 said: I'm not a big enough shitter to request aid and make teams on opposing factions over small amounts of gold It's far less money then farming herbs unless you control all 4 spawns solo anyways You mean u're roleplayer then? I thought they were dying breed. I wonder tho what drug you run on to collect enough herbs to beat 150g/h. Unless you're talking about being legendary super saiyan on AV weekend and getting every black lotus that is in 10 min games I call it a bs. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zak Preston 5 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Daxtar said: PLEASE DO THIS, and my 25 sets, and 280 spare leather will sell for a fuckton ! Best suggestion ever, you must be very smart I don't give any single guano about your spare skin and sets, honesly. Making DS skin more common is the only solution to prevent griefing. I really don't care how much gold you have, if you sell it or not and so on. Ignoring the issue completely is a very short-handed solution. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 13, 2017 Calling it an issue is huge overstatement. Bitching of casuals is hardly a problem, more like a nuisance for proper hardcore players that need to battle all the cry induced shitguments so you don't ruin the server. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hisana 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 No reason to change anything. Cry-babies who don't want to fight for anything crying on the forums, nothing else to see here. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arxon 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 Cross faction communication was always against the rules in retail. Even though it was possible via skype/discord/multiple accounts. It was still against the rules because it created an environment other than intended. I think the simple fix to prevent something such as a monopoly from forming if it seriously is a problem (I have no idea I've never been to Un'Goro crater) would be to add a debuff to Devilsaur making so that you can only get so many per time-frame. Thus forcing you to come back at a later time if you want more. Hell, if it got to be too bad and I was running the server then I'd just open up a few more spawn locations in diff areas of the world. Sure, the value would drop but hey they deserve it for forcing it to come to such measures. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Arxon said: Cross faction communication was always against the rules in retail. Official ToU quote from pre 2006 plz 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haestingas 30 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 Waitasecond, I'm horde,and there's definitely some ally posting on here.Omfg we are breaking the rules and communicating! Quick everyone stop posting! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xylon666Darkstar 4 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 On 3/13/2017 at 2:54 AM, Spanishboss said: boring 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nosleep 4 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) ''Blizz like'' or ''check EULA'' is NOT a valid argument .. this in a pirate server that cherry picks the rules it wants to follow, and modifies the rules it wants to. Admins changes rules and makes new ones all the time.. ''blizz like'' is not valid. ''in game solution'' is NOT a valid argument ... many things have in game solutions but they are still not allowed, admins and community discuss each thing individually and decide based on the principle behind it, EG: bots/harassment/griefing even normal BG win trading, all have in game solutions but are still against the rules. ''in game solution'' is NOT a valid argument. ''win trading is ONLY against the rules cos it will break the ranking system'' is fundamentally wrong and so NOT a valid argument. .. if i only win trade once per week... it would still be against the rules, and so it should be, because its the principle behind win trading thats cheating.. not the amount you do it. I am not effected by this, my arguments are not bias, im not on elysium, mafia couldnt stop me even if they wanted to, i encourage the RP element of it and would love them to try this in my server... i just care about fair play and dont like cheating. Most people defending the mafia's co-op PVP win trading have a lot to lose and their arguments are 100% bias. Which is why they have no argument except for 12 year old youtube troll tactics. Mafia tried to get me banned lol childish chicken shit tactics hahahaha mafia fail! cant fight like men haha Edited March 14, 2017 by Nosleep 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nosleep said: ''win trading is ONLY against the rules cos it will break the ranking system'' is fundamentally wrong and so NOT a valid argument. .. if i only win trade once per week... it would still be against the rules, and so it should be, because its the principle behind win trading thats cheating.. not the amount you do it. I am not effected by this, my arguments are not bias, im not on elysium, mafia couldnt stop me even if they wanted to, i encourage the RP element of it and would love them to try this in my server... i just care about fair play and dont like cheating. And as such if you'd win trade on bgs you'd get banned no matter the amount of it cause it the long run its hurting the system the same. The is one fundamental difference why win trading on bgs HAS to be banned. Thats because normal teams can't compete for honor with win traders, no matter how good/geared/experienced people are they can't compete with pure win trade teams. On the other hand Un'goro offers a way for regular players to rival dominating teams. They just have to band together and fight for it. Its completely irrelevant that people outside of cartel are bunch of whiners and loosers that won't come even close to creating a valid opposition but thats the price you pay for being an underdog on a 10y old game aka if you're not aiming for top you will end up being a sidekick that won't see half of the game and won't have access to the cookie jar. But if thats the case then maybe its not a matter of changing the server rules, policies to cater around average players but more like average players realizing they have to accept being handicapped, upping their game or quiting if prior options are not possible. About encouraging RP: your case would be totally valid and i'd back you 100% if we were talking about things happening on rp-pvp server where things like "how matters actually feel" are relevant. On PvP realms folks play to win and don't care about being "hero of the alliance" or "mighty horde chieftain" P.S win trading as a term is tied to honor system for the reasons you should be able to comprehend by now. Don't mix the terms if you want to have any proper convo here. Un'goro is based on communicating with opposing faction so I understand why you're confused. Edited March 14, 2017 by Morathe 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooobieee 3 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 50 minutes ago, Morathe said: win trading as a term is tied to honor system for the reasons you should be able to comprehend by now. Don't mix the terms if you want to have any proper convo here. Un'goro is based on communicating with opposing faction so I understand why you're confused. Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and they helping you is wintrading. No, you can't just dominate because your own team is helping the other side so unless you engage in the same abuse you can't dominate. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironsides 35 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 believe it or not, you don't need devilsaur leather gauntlets/pants in order to clear MC. at all. seriously. this autismal screaming because players are losing out on 25 dps is getting boring at this point 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeetee 2 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ironsides said: believe it or not, you don't need devilsaur leather gauntlets/pants in order to clear MC. at all. seriously. this autismal screaming because players are losing out on 25 dps is getting boring at this point +1 So much autism over pre-bis. Nobody needs pre-bis for mc regardless of class or role, especially melle. Edited March 14, 2017 by Jeetee 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane2 2 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Morathe said: Official ToU quote from pre 2006 plz You need a quote from a tou when the game designers went out of their way to code the game to prevent it from happening? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 5 hours ago, nooobieee said: Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and they helping you is wintrading. No, you can't just dominate because your own team is helping the other side so unless you engage in the same abuse you can't dominate. What you consider helping? Not attacking them? I know there were rare cases in which people mind controlled and healed (that case is abuse indeed) but you can't otherwise help opposing faction kill the members of your own faction. Most of the time its fair and square fight, probably with numbers on our side but thats about it. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorrana 0 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) long story short: 1. this is an MMO, if you are not able to make and find friends (even on the opposite faction) you should go back to single player games or stop complaining 2. monopolies can only exist if there is no competition, feel free to create competiton and contest it or stop complaining 3. you are just too lazy to gather people and do somethign against it, thats why complaining to GM's seems easy. Edited March 14, 2017 by sorrana 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooobieee 3 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 45 minutes ago, Morathe said: I know there were rare cases in which people mind controlled and healed (that case is abuse indeed) I'm glad you agree with me and I hope you join me in calling for banning people engaging in this abusive wintrading. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morathe 5 Report post Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Hurricane2 said: You need a quote from a tou when the game designers went out of their way to code the game to prevent it from happening? Yea, got problems finding it? I had. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
