The Devilsaur monopoly.

[Morathe 5]

14 minutes ago, TTL said:

PvP instead of cooperate with opposing faction and you wouldn't need to deal with tag battles. I highly doubt latency has anything to do with it, I live across the world from where the servers are hosted and latency is hardly an issue at all.

Again, if you're part of this problem that so many people complain about which it sounds like it then your voice is not required here as you'll obviously be biased. It would be like me asking President Obama how great he did and getting a "great answer" while the country is burning down all around.

There is nothing more frustrating to someone than having their own faction help who is suppose to be the enemy solely cause they are working together, I don't bother with devilsaurs or have skinning so it doesn't affect me personally but I can at least understand how annoying this is especially after watching it happen to someone in a video on the forums here.

Then I have one advice for you. Get skinning, join Cartel, see how fun it is to tag battle devilsaurs during the time we have no opposing faction friends online to come to get rid of others of our own faction. 

I don't see how you think pure ally vs horde would make it non-tag battle in the end. I think you just don't understand Un'Goro and talk purely out of your understanding that ally vs horde is a holy war that can't stop because thats the one and only way to play the game. As i said cooperation with opposing faction in that singular matter is a way to implement more rivalry into the otherwise stagnant system. Don't be blind zealot and instead learn the ins and outs of the thing you criticize just because it breaks one of the aspects of the game you thought is unbreakable. Think of the alternatives and try to sell them to me. I'm open to ideas, dude I'd die for proper competition there. Atm its just old enemies that come and go without posing much threat and randoms that realize whats happening and get mad they didn't get to have a shot at tagging thus cry on forums even tho they are not even interested in farming or pvping or having any real competition as a matter of fact. 

P.s (Chinas are not there soloely because they have over 100ms and they have absolutely ZERO chance to tag a spawning devilsaur, we're talking about macros that you bind under mouse wheel up and down and scroll it like a mad man, its a huge difference in that case if you have 15ms or 50ms or 100ms)

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

[Xylon666Darkstar 4]

1 hour ago, TTL said:

PvP instead of cooperate with opposing faction and you wouldn't need to deal with tag battles. I highly doubt latency has anything to do with it, I live across the world from where the servers are hosted and latency is hardly an issue at all.

Again, if you're part of this problem that so many people complain about which it sounds like it then your voice is not required here as you'll obviously be biased. It would be like me asking President Obama how great he did and getting a "great answer" while the country is burning down all around.

There is nothing more frustrating to someone than having their own faction help who is suppose to be the enemy solely cause they are working together, I don't bother with devilsaurs or have skinning so it doesn't affect me personally but I can at least understand how annoying this is especially after watching it happen to someone in a video on the forums here.

Your 'logic' in the face of rational reasoning and mutual compliance between groups within the opposing factions is FLAWLESS. IT SOLVES THE CARTEL/MAFIA PROBLEMS THAT BLIZZARD COULDN'T WOW (Because there was nothing wrong).

GJ cuck. Now do better than Iron Edge or GRIZZLY BOYZ with better army of pvpers and comms. Like a man.

[Justme 9]

3 hours ago, Morathe said:

Then I have one advice for you. Get skinning, join Cartel, see how fun it is to tag battle devilsaurs during the time we have no opposing faction friends online to come to get rid of others of our own faction. 

I don't see how you think pure ally vs horde would make it non-tag battle in the end. I think you just don't understand Un'Goro and talk purely out of your understanding that ally vs horde is a holy war that can't stop because thats the one and only way to play the game. As i said cooperation with opposing faction in that singular matter is a way to implement more rivalry into the otherwise stagnant system. Don't be blind zealot and instead learn the ins and outs of the thing you criticize just because it breaks one of the aspects of the game you thought is unbreakable. Think of the alternatives and try to sell them to me. I'm open to ideas, dude I'd die for proper competition there. Atm its just old enemies that come and go without posing much threat and randoms that realize whats happening and get mad they didn't get to have a shot at tagging thus cry on forums even tho they are not even interested in farming or pvping or having any real competition as a matter of fact. 

P.s (Chinas are not there soloely because they have over 100ms and they have absolutely ZERO chance to tag a spawning devilsaur, we're talking about macros that you bind under mouse wheel up and down and scroll it like a mad man, its a huge difference in that case if you have 15ms or 50ms or 100ms)

Roflmao at thinking macros are the fastest way to tag

[Morathe 5]

Enjoy the laugh:p meanwhile thats what people do... erm? 

[Justme 9]

I guess that's why this thread got 16 pages

15 minutes ago, Morathe said:

Enjoy the laugh:p meanwhile thats what people do... erm? 

 

[Morathe 5]

You mean because likes of you that jump into convo, say the first most stupid thing they can invent and then expect to be left unanswered? I mean you don't deserve answer thats correct but I still like to mock mongrels, wat do. 

Edited March 16, 2017 by Morathe

[Justme 9]

If I wanted an answer I would've posted a question. 

[Hurricane2 2]

7 hours ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

Your 'logic' in the face of rational reasoning and mutual compliance between groups within the opposing factions is FLAWLESS. IT SOLVES THE CARTEL/MAFIA PROBLEMS THAT BLIZZARD COULDN'T WOW (Because there was nothing wrong).

GJ cuck. Now do better than Iron Edge or GRIZZLY BOYZ with better army of pvpers and comms. Like a man.

You are advocating that he should try harder at PvP and use a group of people who go out of their way to circumvent game mechanics to avoid PvP as a comparison?  I'm confused.

[Guest]

Devilsaurs live in Un'Goro and hunting them is considered endgame occupation. If you're not prepared for endgame, then you're not prepared. Why not to return back to hunting boars/wolves in Durotar/Elvynn's and train more? Can't you?

[TTL 6]

15 hours ago, Xylon666Darkstar said:

 

GJ cuck.

All that needs to be said about this fad player. "Cuck" "666", yeah... I'll take what you say to heart.

[LC-LC 1]

This definitely is something that would have been a punishable offense on retail, regardless of whether the GMs and admins have sufficient time to police it.

[Arxon 0]

On 3/15/2017 at 7:16 AM, Daxtar said:

So, because of a bunch of crybabies, on a blizzlike realm, you want it to not be a blizzlike realm? are you out of your mind? hahahahaha

I've just never been a fan of greed.  There isn't a more despicable trait in my opinion.  Especially when it's success depends on the disparity of others.  Hell, make Devilsaur BoP for all I care and give everyone a special skinning knife for it.  At least that filters out the greedy.

[Zarant 2]

37 minutes ago, LC-LC said:

This definitely is something that would have been a punishable offense on retail, regardless of whether the GMs and admins have sufficient time to police it.

It didn't, setting agreements and colluding to kill world bosses never yielded a single ban for any of the guilds involved back in the day, however, I'd say that not even 1% of the population even cared about that. I'm sure if blizzard faced the same issue back in the day, if they decided to act on it, they would have responded to it with proper game design, not handing out bans.

This whole thing stems from thoughtless game design, the people who populated the database were just trying to recreate Un'goro as close as possible to the way it was on retail without any thought about the implications of their decisions.

I don't necessarily blame them beacause from a game designer perspective, it's very difficult to predict player behavior. Right now the only reason the cartel can control the territory is because the respawn locations and timers are just set up in a deterministic way, anyone can figure out exactly where and when the next devilsaur is going to spawn, making it significantly easier to control every single one of them.

Edited March 16, 2017 by Zarant

[LC-LC 1]

Ignore previous comment. Thought you were saying something different.

I agree with you that the best solution would be to vary the spawn locations, assuming that occurred on retail, which I don't even remember at this point.

Edited March 16, 2017 by LC-LC
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[Zumber 0]

So, why are people up in arms about this again? Because they can't get leather to sell for their own personal gain, or to craft armor for raid?

[nooobieee 3]

15 minutes ago, Zumber said:

So, why are people up in arms about this again? Because they can't get leather to sell for their own personal gain, or to craft armor for raid?

Because people are PvP wintrading in Un'goro.

[Zumber 0]

14 minutes ago, nooobieee said:

Because people are PvP wintrading in Un'goro.

I don't see wPvP as wintrading in vanilla. Very hard to pull off getting GM/HW in Ungoro from farming. 

 

About the whole sheep thing, I agree it's a dick move and griefing. If you're not a warlock, it's hard to make sure the mob doesn't stay sheeped. That being said, make friends with warlocks and others, take a group there, and have fun kicking ass.

Other than that, this will be a thing of the past when ZG releases.

[nooobieee 3]

1 hour ago, Zumber said:

I don't see wPvP as wintrading in vanilla.

wPvP is not wintrading. Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and vice versa is wintrading. And that has been reported here.

[Morathe 5]

5 hours ago, nooobieee said:

wPvP is not wintrading. Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and vice versa is wintrading. And that has been reported here.

Which is just a matter of your opinion tho based on "comperable" principle. Lets agree to disagree shall we? For me win trading is a specific action were group of people first agree to loose vs another same group of people and then that same group of people do the same in return, known from bg scenario to maximize honor per hour. In Un'goro its completely different. All the time different groups of people fight and sure its based on exchanging favor when the opposing faction allies need same help but in both cases we need to EARN our pvp win as a faction vs different group, its NOT traded. And we don't get any help from opposing faction in those fights. When it boils down to fighting sides are on their own. People use "wintrading" term here cause its in ToU as against rules so they stretch the meaning of that term to make their case stronger... which is a bit desperate. But they are free to try. I just don't agree with that reasoning and don't agree to stretch the meaning of the term into adjacent matters just to fit current agenda. Its very dangerous thing to do as it can be done in pretty much every aspect of the game. 

Edited March 17, 2017 by Morathe

[Nejiri 1]

long story short:

 

nobody needs to buy this stuff. nobody need this stuff to clear MC / ZG.

Do not buy it -> win

[Zil 0]

Selling leather and crafted sets.

Pst me in-game!

:D

[Maynard 1]

No GM will ever do anything to stop this cross-faction collusion. Why? Because there are GMs among the Un'goro mafia.

I have been abused verbally by the leader of the Un'goro mafia (Curatorx aka Vathdar) about how I am going to get banned for selling sets cheaper than them because, quote-on-quote "GMs are among us".

Yes I have screenshots.

The truth is - this is life. The same thing is in the real world as well. The only way to beat the Un'goro mafia is to get more organized, gather more players and be more skilled and better geared.

Their only mistake (and eventually their Demise) is their arrogance. Trust me, something is cooking. They will see it coming but there are more guilds on this server who will watch the mafia go down that there are guilds who want to join them.

The same story has been repeating throughout the history of mankind. A group of extremely intelligent individuals organize themselves and seize power, claiming all resources. At some point though, they get too arrogant and greedy, and get overthrown by the "masses". To give you an example, read on how Taxes first came in the economy.

Stay tuned....

Edited March 17, 2017 by Maynard
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[ismeckye 7]

4 minutes ago, Maynard said:

No GM will ever do anything to stop this cross-faction collusion. Why? Because there are GMs among the Un'goro mafia.

I have been abused verbally by the leader of the Un'goro mafia (Curatorx aka Vathdar) about how I am going to get banned for selling sets cheaper than them because, quote-on-quote "GMs are among us".

Yes I have screenshots.

The truth is - this is life. The same thing is in the real world as well. The only way to beat the Un'goro mafia is to get more organized, gather more players and be more skilled and better geared.

Their only mistake (and eventually their Demise) is their arrogance. Trust me, something is cooking. They will see it coming but there are more guilds on this server who will watch the mafia go down that there are guilds who want to join them.

Stay tuned....

Well, did you get banned?

[Maynard 1]

I didn't, but I was told that GMs looked at my account for gold buying etc.

My point is not that the mafia can ban people for opposing them - my point is that there are GMs that play in the mafia. It is not in their interest to party-poop.

 

[Shiamorah 20]

Post screenshots please!