How to save Anathema

[Careless 0]

13 minutes ago, Ourk said:

Because a new player has no interest in creating a character on the old server.

I see some version of this sentence way too much. There are plenty of new, fresh people joining on a daily basis. I, for one, did - a while back - and I still run dungeons from time to time and talk with people - meet some other newbies out there. Hell, just five minutes ago answered to another 'newbie' asking for advice as per starting out here on Anathema.

It's not as much as you'd like, granted - but it is not as non-existent as some seem to think or proclaim.

[Ourk 5]

18 minutes ago, Careless said:

I see some version of this sentence way too much. There are plenty of new, fresh people joining on a daily basis.

It's not as much as you'd like, granted - but it is not as non-existent as some seem to think or proclaim.

I'm just going to do a little funny test. I just created 3 characters: char1 on Anathema, char2 on Darrowshire and char3 on Elysium.

Look at the pictures, it's informative.

char1 on Anathema: http://hpics.li/4640987

char2 on Darrowshire: http://hpics.li/8073ec7

char3 on Elysium: http://hpics.li/3c7051a

[Careless 0]

So, there are more gold sellers botting, people creating bank alts OR people actually starting out fresh? Alright, informative.

Again,

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It's not as much as you'd like, granted - but it is not as non-existent as some seem to think or proclaim.

 

[Ourk 5]

5 minutes ago, Careless said:

So, there are more gold sellers botting, people creating bank alts OR people actually starting out fresh?

 

Even though it may be some alts or bots, this is a proof of the vitality of the respective servers because nobody (players and gold sellers) create alts and bots on a dying server.

Now, if you think that the Anathema server is in good health, I do not want to try to convince you about the contrary.

[Hurricane2 2]

1 hour ago, Ourk said:

It is true that the staff made the wrong decision when opening Elysium then ZK. But now, they should work to fix their errors at least by reassuring these players through announcements and not with censorship. I do not know if it's technically possible but maybe they should open transfers to Elysium from Anathema and Darroshire deleting during this process all the stuff that is beyond the current patch on Elysium.

Zk is arguable on whether it should have ever existed but saying opening Elysium was a mistake just makes no sense.  I for one would not be here if all this project had was 2 legacy nost servers.

[Tekdrake 2]

I'm only lvl 35, why can't I transfer to Elysium? I put in months of playtime already. I work 6 days a week, I dont have time to level on the new server all over again.

[Hurricane2 2]

You can choose to play on whichever server you want.  Transfers have never been an option and there are no plans for them in the future.

[OrcWarrior 1]

3 hours ago, Hurricane2 said:

I for one would not be here if all this project had was 2 legacy nost servers.

That would have been the best timeline.

[Pest 3]

58 minutes ago, Tekdrake said:

I'm only lvl 35, why can't I transfer to Elysium? I put in months of playtime already.

1-30 takes 2 days, and you're saying it took you months to get there? I don't think Vanilla wow is for you. I feel like I've read this exact same thing before, and if this copy pasta. Well, you got me.

[taladril 43]

In Nost's heyday we had an army of guilds that were strong and long standing. It was fun to see the rivalries and it was also very easy just from talking and seeing what the standing was and the qualities and strengths of each guild. For me for the social aspect of all of that it was incredibly fun. Now on anathema? It's a race to the bottom. I literally can't even keep up with what guilds exist or don't exist anymore. A week ago or so someone new to the server and close to 60 got to talking with me and asked what good guild options there was and I did my best to list them. I didn't know if I was listing guilds that even existed anymore they are disappearing so fast. And in a situation like this, realmplayers isn't accurate enough to reference either. It's just incredibly sad to me especially since the guild I was in for the entirety of it being nost (blacklisted) died recently and they were a day one guild. There are probably only a couple day one guilds left these days. I think mcst and dreamstate?

It reminds me too of what it will be like if the progress continues. I was on the rebirth before nost. On alliance side if you wanted to raid you had two options: Dwarven Overlords and hest. DO was weird and cliquey where dwarves were automatically promoted higher than all other races (lol) and they weren't very good at raiding. And hest was the long standing guild and they also weren't good at raiding. So your choices on the server were bad and bad. With a low pop this is what happens. Yes you can limp your way along but you can't force people to magically exist to have better or worse guilds. Or more hardcore or casual. You just get a or b. You think that the rebirth guilds would have been able to raid Naxx? Unlikely.

AQ opening proved very clearly that vanilla in the day to me is so very similar to what it is currently. Yes you have a select number of guilds that kill the content just like back in the day too. But many many guilds are still struggling to kill certain bosses. Many others stopped trying. And many guilds imploded because of it. All of this happened in vanilla because of the same dungeon and in the same way. That's the excitement and aura of why Naxx is such a pinnacle to people. If AQ was generally a struggle for 2/3 of the raiding guilds with a population over 1k then Naxx is going to be a whole different level with a pop of 500 or 200 or whatever it is going to be after another few months of atrophy. A lot of us are desperate to have the chance to do Naxx but we won't get it if we are stuck on a dead server. That continues to be my worry. Because everything that happened with AQ for the difficulties amongst guilds is going to be far higher with Naxx.

It's a bit of a ramble but I'm trying to convey that some of us really care about our server and our characters and "just reroll" is not an answer and "just deal with it" is also not fair. We were here and we have gone through the whole thing from Nost's start to now. I don't feel abandoned specifically from the devs but our situation is causing the server to be abandoned. We don't deserve to die simply because the newer server is the one that got more popular.

[Stayhi 0]

1 hour ago, Pest said:

1-30 takes 2 days, and you're saying it took you months to get there? I don't think Vanilla wow is for you. I feel like I've read this exact same thing before, and if this copy pasta. Well, you got me.

1-30 in 2 days playing at least 8hrs per day with add ons and knowledge of the content. Not everyone can commit to that. It wont take me months to reach level 30 or 35. But I will not be surprised one bit if it takes me a week. Hitting level 60 I know will take me at least 2 weeks.

[Drakbak 3]

Long-term:  The devs need to have a plan because continued population loss will eventually kill the server.  But right now, the server is fine, albeit not in it's former glory.  

Yes, it sucks that the population has dropped and a lot of guilds have fallen, but there's still plenty of guilds  out there.  Problem is, most people have an Ego too big for their britches, let their guild die due to pride, then quit because "recruitment is hard".  Lower population means that you can't support as many guilds.  When that happens, the population must shift in order redistribute to a supportable number of guilds.  Unfortunately, that requires a number of guilds to cease operating, with several of the player base deciding to quit rather than move on, further hurting the population.

My guild is stronger now than we've been in months due to a new influx of players countering our own losses.  We had one of our best raid performances ever last night, despite most of our new recruits being fairly fresh 60s.  We got a couple vets from other guilds, but most guys are fresh.  What's the difference?  Population normalization.  No longer is there 10+ guilds recruiting for approximately the same time slot, feeding off a population too small to support such an effort, and no longer feeding off each other.  The server is not dead, and there's plenty of fun left to be had in the coming months, so long as you don't get in your own way.

[Pest 3]

36 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

But right now, the server is fine, albeit not in it's former glory.  

Lmao. I'm sorry, but if you're NA. The server is so far from fine.  Weekend raiding guilds? Gone. Oh, can't raid Wed/Thurs. Well, 90% of the NA guilds raid those 2 days, and now your only option is that 1 guild, and if they don't need your class. Fucked. 

 

37 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

Yes, it sucks that the population has dropped and a lot of guilds have fallen, but there's still plenty of guilds  out there.

 

37 minutes ago, Drakbak said:

The server is not dead, and there's plenty of fun left to be had in the coming months, so long as you don't get in your own way.

You're 100% not NA.  Your opinion is irrelevant. Euro/CN, server is fine.

[Drakbak 3]

3 hours ago, Pest said:

You're 100% not NA.  Your opinion is irrelevant. Euro/CN, server is fine.

Sorry dude, I"m East Coast US and raid NA times, so I guess my opinion is relevant, right?  If there isn't a schedule that suits your needs you have 2 options:  start your own guild with like-minded people, or try running some PuGs to see if there's an interest for these time slots.  The same issues were present on retail and somehow people made it work.  The server not working for you is not the same as the server being dead.

Edit:  I will allow that I'm horde-side, and from what I've heard Alliance-side NA is in worse shape, so my apologies if this is your case.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Drakbak

[taladril 43]

It's pretty rough to especially nowadays people expect to be at the end game content. In vanilla people were happy as clams to be a MC or BWL guild. But everyone who's in a raiding guild expects to be in AQ and not stuck in AQ either. So then if they don't get it or find it they throw their arms up and say screw it going somewhere where I can raid. This despite the fact that most people are far less hardcore than they think they are and wouldn't be raid eligible for AQ if we had the comp we did 6 months ago.

To add to that I saw that one german specific guild recruitment spam yesterday that pretty much said "are you 60 and can speak german? You are good enough to join and get a spot as a raider." If that doesn't say how bleak our prospects are I don't know what else to say.

[birday 1]

Actually it just says how dead the server is. Ever thought about it?

[Ickus 40]

Get Gummy's core. Announce Anathema continues onto tbc. BOOM!

[Undertanker 88]

1 hour ago, Ickus said:

Get Gummy's core. Announce Anathema continues onto tbc. BOOM!

This.

A lot of people have held off on starting toons on projects in anticipation of the 1x leveling they would be doing there.   If those people would be able to level here and be the first realm pushed to TBC transfer/character copy, then you would have a huge influx of the many highly let down on not being able to enjoy his 5 years of work.

Anathema would have it's fresh blood that it lacked in March (when a modest leveler would have hit 60) that caused guilds to start to raid short handed.  The TBC wave of people would then be able to gear up their toons at the 60 vanilla patch and be more prepared for Outlands than ever possible on TBC.   With a lot of gear from BWL (Trinkets), TF, AQ/Naxx loot able to take you into Kara and select items into T5 content - all of which was locked out on Gummy's project.  This gives a stronger player base to extend the server's life throughout Naxx.

The Elysium project showing their condolences on Discord towards Gummy was step 1 in the direction of what @Ickus suggest.

Though if the past has taught us anything with the Nost / Elysium partnership, it can not be something that is done openly, and in direct relation to Elysium.  I think to go around the red tape of the C&D, he himself would have to make his work open source, then Elysium could then pick it up.   Gummy directly handing Elysium the code would cause uproar for Blizzard.

Gummy could join the team, but would most likely need to be done under an alias to prevent further backlash from Blizzard.

[SchfiftyFive 5]

Felmyst dad.
Crestfall dad.

Anathema has been handed a life-line. 

[killerduki 54]

8 hours ago, Undertanker said:

This.

A lot of people have held off on starting toons on projects in anticipation of the 1x leveling they would be doing there.   If those people would be able to level here and be the first realm pushed to TBC transfer/character copy, then you would have a huge influx of the many highly let down on not being able to enjoy his 5 years of work.

Anathema would have it's fresh blood that it lacked in March (when a modest leveler would have hit 60) that caused guilds to start to raid short handed.  The TBC wave of people would then be able to gear up their toons at the 60 vanilla patch and be more prepared for Outlands than ever possible on TBC.   With a lot of gear from BWL (Trinkets), TF, AQ/Naxx loot able to take you into Kara and select items into T5 content - all of which was locked out on Gummy's project.  This gives a stronger player base to extend the server's life throughout Naxx.

The Elysium project showing their condolences on Discord towards Gummy was step 1 in the direction of what @Ickus suggest.

Though if the past has taught us anything with the Nost / Elysium partnership, it can not be something that is done openly, and in direct relation to Elysium.  I think to go around the red tape of the C&D, he himself would have to make his work open source, then Elysium could then pick it up.   Gummy directly handing Elysium the code would cause uproar for Blizzard.

Gummy could join the team, but would most likely need to be done under an alias to prevent further backlash from Blizzard.

Feenix tried this and end up disaster,  i wouldn't recall pushing all Vanilla players into TBC ,many of them actually don't like to play TBC, the hype naysayers are like the opening hype players, so don't fall into this trap.

TBC can be solution by opening a new server with giving a chance to vanilla players to migrate there.

/Kind regards Killerduki

[Zarant 2]

It's not that simple, you can't just create a good quality TBC server out of thin air. The demand is there, but pretty much all TBC servers end up abandoned after a while when people finally realize that they suck.

Even If the Elysium team develop a TBC project, it will take them years to get it working on a acceptable level.

[Ellarria 6]

4 hours ago, killerduki said:

Feenix tried this and end up disaster,  i wouldn't recall pushing all Vanilla players into TBC ,many of them actually don't like to play TBC, the hype naysayers are like the opening hype players, so don't fall into this trap.

TBC can be solution by opening a new server with giving a chance to vanilla players to migrate there.

Did you even read what was wrote. You basically suggessted what was just said. Elysium obtains the TBC core from Gummy, which would give a potential (depending on how difficult the DB merge would be) option for people to take their level 60 characters into TBC.

[Ickus 40]

Feenix left their server on 2.0 when they migrated all the vanilla servers (forcibly migrated) and thats why it was a disaster. 

[Undertanker 88]

12 hours ago, killerduki said:

TBC can be solution by opening a new server with giving a chance to vanilla players to migrate there.

 

21 hours ago, Undertanker said:

If those people would be able to level here and be the first realm pushed to TBC transfer/character copy, then you would have a huge influx of the many highly let down on not being able to enjoy his 5 years of work.

 

[Imbaslap 14]

did anyone even play nost TBC during its PTR? or are you all in denial on the quality that it was back then? all mobs did 1 damage and floating in the air. it was literally stock CMangos tbc 2.4.3 with lots of DB stuff missing and who knows what else.. nothing worked.

it's discontinued and even if Elysium wanted to do TBC, they would need some big help in that scene (maybe another project with opensource like vengeance or something) that coincides with their structure.  since elysium vanilla is opensource, the most logical approach would be TBC opensource.. meaning working with CMangos devs in TBC.

there is no way in hell gummy will take the risk of "giving a free TBC core" to another project that could link it back to himself. considering the C&D he got handed in person.  at that point, you want nothing to do with wow emulation. anyone banking on elysium getting more freebies is delusional and should just stop talking. felmyst is dead and gummy is done with wow emu. stop expecting miracles and someone's hard work be given to a project as a freebie to save your dying realm.
 

as for TBC speculation:

i'd expect vengeancewow and elysium working together by having elysium run CMangos TBC and feeding the opensource community with commits. that is if Xsavior/killerwife even wants to see TBC CMangos thrive. atleast it will boost the quality a bit if a project is backing them up with a large playerbase and opensource contributers.  atleast then, elysium uses it's resources of hosting to run the server while giving back to the CMangos community.   i mean.. its not like anyone plays on vengeance wow or cares to with how it was run. (im sure elysium would fair better than Vengeancewow in regards to running a project, but that is my opinion)

Elysium provides the hosting while the opensource community thrives with commits. that way CMangos devs have 0 risk of C&D or getting gummy'd while seeing their work thrive.